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On June 06 2013 06:37 -RusH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 06:36 Ropid wrote:
There was something about Haswell systems being able to use a very little power when idle, but I don't know what's up with that and the PSU. If you can link me with the motherboard you recommended that'd be awesome. Thanks a lot.
I'm not sure I'd recommend it, it just showed up directly beneath the CPU after I searched for "i5 4570" on newegg.com, where you found that combo deal you are interested in.
Just search for "b85" and you'll see all of those. They all seem a little strange. They all only have two memory slots available and some of them only one other slot after the one for the graphics card. The B75 from the combo deal that caught your attention is also like that, some kind of office PC motherboard.
That's the one for $65: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130703
This one has HDMI out which might come in handy at some point: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157376
The more normal boards show up if you search for "h87" and start at $10 more.
That's one of the cheapest: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157385
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On June 06 2013 07:10 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 07:05 Antoine wrote:On June 06 2013 06:34 skyR wrote:On June 06 2013 04:13 Antoine wrote:
if I saved $60-70 between going down to a Seasonic M12II-650 BRONZE ATX 650 PSU and ASUS Z87-A or ASRock Z87 Extreme4, where could I even put that for better performance? I would if it would be really helpful but I don't know where else I could go for a meaningful upgrade? Maybe the higher-end SSD I mentioned, but I don't mind going $20 over the estimated 200 there. While the Seasonic M12II is a good unit, its in an awkward position since the newer better gold units are in the same price point so you wouldn't want an M12II. I see that the Capstone-M 650 unit is out of stock so I'm guessing you want a modular unit and that's why you selected a M12II. I assume you also want SLI judging by the original choice of 750w so I'd select the Corsair HX650 for $105 ($80 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139012Rosewill got their poor reputation in the past when they were using cheap ATNG and Solytech units. They still sell these units (Stallion, Performance, etc), which are still shit btw. Recently, they started using Superflower as their OEM. Capstones, Lightnings, and Tachyons are all superb units from Superflower, on par with Seasonic (the Corsair HX650 is a Seasonic). You hardly use a DVD burner so its nothing to worry about. The least expensive one is probably from Microcenter. The two notable differences between the 840 Pro and 840 is that the 840 Pro has significantly better write speeds and has two extra years of warranty over the 840. So if you are going to be writing to the SSD a lot then get the 840 Pro without a doubt. Otherwise, you should probably get the 840 because the performance difference between the two in loading WoW or Windows bootup is milliseconds. Why the Coolermaster TPC 812? From what I remember, it performs worse than equivalently priced heatsinks like the Thermalright True Spirit or Macho. And Coolermaster's mounting system is god awful. Remember that heatsinks and cases can last through a lifetime of builds so don't settle for shit from Coolermaster when you're spending $50+, $20 more gets you something from Noctua, Phantek, Thermalright, or even Corsair. Noctua provides a six year warranty and mounting kits free of charge for life. Their support is pretty top notch as well if you ever need help with a heatsink? o.O Phantek is relatively new but their heatsinks perform well and looks nice, backed with a five year warranty. Thanks for the advice on the first 3 - will follow that and pick up the 840 pro as well as the PSU you linked. I was choosing between a couple different heatsinks. I have read some reviews for my case and it's not the greatest as far as temps go, plus it's a mid tower so it can't fit huge ones. I thought the TPC 812 would be better performance than the NH-U12s which is similarly priced but likely priced for its tiny size? I was also looking at the ThermalTake Frio but it's a few mm taller than the TPC 812. I couldn't find any hard numbers for the max height of a heatsink in this case and wasn't sure where to go. I'll do some more research into heatsinks though, thanks again. Most mid-towers including the C70 have clearance for large heatsinks such as the Noctua NH-D14
Ah, that's a relief. One name that keeps popping up in these reviews is the Xigmatek Aegir. Seems to be great in terms of cooling and noise, at a similar price level to the Frio, 812, etc. Is there a reason you didn't mention it among those other brands?
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Update on my Asus RMA update (Ares II):
They received it April 25th. After three weeks (most of which the status was on wait for confirmation for sub-ship) they apparently manufactured a new unit and shipped it late May. Largely due to the incompetence of FedEx, I finally got it today. Asus repair place (which is outsourced) apparently chose the cheapest possible shipping. Left friday, arrived monday (6/1) after an entire week. You'll note I'm just getting it Wednesday (6/3), but that's FedEx being incompetent in my area.
Anyway, they manufactured probably just obtained and shipped an entire new unit, including all accessories (went from 800 something to 500 something). I now have double everything except the card itself (of which I have one), including two metal briefcases that could be used to carry money in a purchase of drugs, guns, or whatever other illegal thing.
I still need to install it, but I'm currently tired from the ordeal of getting it. I expected a much lighter package to need carrying for the half mile or so, plus having to drive through the city during rush hour. We'll see if this one is artifact free.
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On June 06 2013 07:05 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 06:34 skyR wrote:On June 06 2013 04:13 Antoine wrote:
if I saved $60-70 between going down to a Seasonic M12II-650 BRONZE ATX 650 PSU and ASUS Z87-A or ASRock Z87 Extreme4, where could I even put that for better performance? I would if it would be really helpful but I don't know where else I could go for a meaningful upgrade? Maybe the higher-end SSD I mentioned, but I don't mind going $20 over the estimated 200 there. While the Seasonic M12II is a good unit, its in an awkward position since the newer better gold units are in the same price point so you wouldn't want an M12II. I see that the Capstone-M 650 unit is out of stock so I'm guessing you want a modular unit and that's why you selected a M12II. I assume you also want SLI judging by the original choice of 750w so I'd select the Corsair HX650 for $105 ($80 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139012Rosewill got their poor reputation in the past when they were using cheap ATNG and Solytech units. They still sell these units (Stallion, Performance, etc), which are still shit btw. Recently, they started using Superflower as their OEM. Capstones, Lightnings, and Tachyons are all superb units from Superflower, on par with Seasonic (the Corsair HX650 is a Seasonic). You hardly use a DVD burner so its nothing to worry about. The least expensive one is probably from Microcenter. The two notable differences between the 840 Pro and 840 is that the 840 Pro has significantly better write speeds and has two extra years of warranty over the 840. So if you are going to be writing to the SSD a lot then get the 840 Pro without a doubt. Otherwise, you should probably get the 840 because the performance difference between the two in loading WoW or Windows bootup is milliseconds. Why the Coolermaster TPC 812? From what I remember, it performs worse than equivalently priced heatsinks like the Thermalright True Spirit or Macho. And Coolermaster's mounting system is god awful. Remember that heatsinks and cases can last through a lifetime of builds so don't settle for shit from Coolermaster when you're spending $50+, $20 more gets you something from Noctua, Phantek, Thermalright, or even Corsair. Noctua provides a six year warranty and mounting kits free of charge for life. Their support is pretty top notch as well if you ever need help with a heatsink? o.O Phantek is relatively new but their heatsinks perform well and looks nice, backed with a five year warranty. Thanks for the advice on the first 3 - will follow that and pick up the 840 pro as well as the PSU you linked. I was choosing between a couple different heatsinks. I have read some reviews for my case and it's not the greatest as far as temps go, plus it's a mid tower so it can't fit huge ones. I thought the TPC 812 would be better performance than the NH-U12s which is similarly priced but likely priced for its tiny size? I was also looking at the ThermalTake Frio but it's a few mm taller than the TPC 812. I couldn't find any hard numbers for the max height of a heatsink in this case and wasn't sure where to go. I'll do some more research into heatsinks though, thanks again.
You have to be a bit careful with coolers. The deal with the TPC 812 seems like it was an engineering experiment that went wrong, but CM still decided to sell it. The idea was to try to build something new, better than heat-pipes. They tried to experiment with that "vapor chamber" stuff, but it just doesn't do anything useful.
That's a good example what happens to nearly all coolers that are marketed as using some kind of flashy technology. You should be safe with coolers from Noctua and Thermalright, also Zalman (I think). Phanteks seems pricey. For the other brands, you have to check. The best coolers today are still the ones that are somewhat boring, just a copper base, a bunch of heat-pipes, and one or two pounds of aluminium strapped to it.
On June 06 2013 07:36 Antoine wrote:
Ah, that's a relief. One name that keeps popping up in these reviews is the Xigmatek Aegir. Seems to be great in terms of cooling and noise, at a similar price level to the Frio, 812, etc. Is there a reason you didn't mention it among those other brands?
That's one with the "exposed heat-pipes" idea. It's a bit useless. The boring old thick copper plate is still better. The actual base between the heat-pipes of the Xigmatek is also aluminium instead of copper.
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On June 06 2013 07:36 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 07:10 skyR wrote:On June 06 2013 07:05 Antoine wrote:On June 06 2013 06:34 skyR wrote:On June 06 2013 04:13 Antoine wrote:
if I saved $60-70 between going down to a Seasonic M12II-650 BRONZE ATX 650 PSU and ASUS Z87-A or ASRock Z87 Extreme4, where could I even put that for better performance? I would if it would be really helpful but I don't know where else I could go for a meaningful upgrade? Maybe the higher-end SSD I mentioned, but I don't mind going $20 over the estimated 200 there. While the Seasonic M12II is a good unit, its in an awkward position since the newer better gold units are in the same price point so you wouldn't want an M12II. I see that the Capstone-M 650 unit is out of stock so I'm guessing you want a modular unit and that's why you selected a M12II. I assume you also want SLI judging by the original choice of 750w so I'd select the Corsair HX650 for $105 ($80 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139012Rosewill got their poor reputation in the past when they were using cheap ATNG and Solytech units. They still sell these units (Stallion, Performance, etc), which are still shit btw. Recently, they started using Superflower as their OEM. Capstones, Lightnings, and Tachyons are all superb units from Superflower, on par with Seasonic (the Corsair HX650 is a Seasonic). You hardly use a DVD burner so its nothing to worry about. The least expensive one is probably from Microcenter. The two notable differences between the 840 Pro and 840 is that the 840 Pro has significantly better write speeds and has two extra years of warranty over the 840. So if you are going to be writing to the SSD a lot then get the 840 Pro without a doubt. Otherwise, you should probably get the 840 because the performance difference between the two in loading WoW or Windows bootup is milliseconds. Why the Coolermaster TPC 812? From what I remember, it performs worse than equivalently priced heatsinks like the Thermalright True Spirit or Macho. And Coolermaster's mounting system is god awful. Remember that heatsinks and cases can last through a lifetime of builds so don't settle for shit from Coolermaster when you're spending $50+, $20 more gets you something from Noctua, Phantek, Thermalright, or even Corsair. Noctua provides a six year warranty and mounting kits free of charge for life. Their support is pretty top notch as well if you ever need help with a heatsink? o.O Phantek is relatively new but their heatsinks perform well and looks nice, backed with a five year warranty. Thanks for the advice on the first 3 - will follow that and pick up the 840 pro as well as the PSU you linked. I was choosing between a couple different heatsinks. I have read some reviews for my case and it's not the greatest as far as temps go, plus it's a mid tower so it can't fit huge ones. I thought the TPC 812 would be better performance than the NH-U12s which is similarly priced but likely priced for its tiny size? I was also looking at the ThermalTake Frio but it's a few mm taller than the TPC 812. I couldn't find any hard numbers for the max height of a heatsink in this case and wasn't sure where to go. I'll do some more research into heatsinks though, thanks again. Most mid-towers including the C70 have clearance for large heatsinks such as the Noctua NH-D14 Ah, that's a relief. One name that keeps popping up in these reviews is the Xigmatek Aegir. Seems to be great in terms of cooling and noise, at a similar price level to the Frio, 812, etc. Is there a reason you didn't mention it among those other brands?
Xigmatek isn't widely available in Canada and they don't have products that particularly stand out. And as Ropid mentioned, the use of direct touch is not as good as a base.
The Hyper 212 got Coolermaster famous but other than that, I don't think they have anything good.
Noctua is well known for their free lifetime mounting kits and were one of the first companies to debut these high-end heatsinks. Phantek is relatively new but their dual radiator heatsink has been shown that it performs better than the NH-D14 and is available in various colours. Phantek and Noctua also have similar easy mounting procedures and their provided TIM is excellent as well. The same can be said for Thermalright but their availability in North America isn't great.
You might as well treat yourself to the best for $20 more since you're already getting an i7 and planning on doing SLI. The cost is justifiable if you consider their level of support, the included two fans, and quality of TIM compared to Thermaltake, Coolermaster, and the other non niche companies.
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On June 06 2013 02:34 Spec wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, looking to make a Haswell rig to stream SC2. Here's a brief outline of what I have so far
CPU = i5-4670k ~$200 @ microcenter
Motherboard = ASRock Extreme6? Has good review at Tom's ~$170
HSF = CoolerMaster EVO ~$30
GPU = EVGA GTX 660 2gb ~$190
Memory = SSD Kingston HyperX 3K SH103S3/120G 2.5" 120GB ~$120
Storage Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM ~$75
RAM = Crucial Ballistix 8gb DDR3 1333mhz ~$50
Case = Rosewill R5 ~60$
PSU = Corsair Builder CX500 500W ~$50
Estimated Total ~$945 So my questions... Is it worth it to drop SSD and upgrade to i7, given that I don't mind longer boot time? What to look for in a motherboard? How good is gtx 660, and how much does it matter which brand made the board? My room might get pretty hot and I plan to overclock, how much difference would it be to get the legendary Noctua NH-D14 and just never worry about cooling again? Have anyone any experience with the Rosewill R5 case, or have any recommendations about the case? Please let me if you think any changes made to this build, or comments about where it's lacking/overkill. Filled-out survey: + Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
Up to $1,000
What is your resolution?
I want to be able to support 1080p, 60hz.
What are you using it for?
SC2 and streaming it. Some other games, but don't expect to max out graphics. Stream max 720p.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Most likely not for another 4 years for anything major.
When do you plan on building it?
Some time this month, unless anything else significant is coming out.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes. Slightly, on air.
Do you need an Operating System?
No
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No, not a big graphics person.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Mostly online. Microcenter is 1 hour away, so it's an option if deals are good.
Thanks in advance!
CX500 is not a good value. A Rosewill Capstone 450 is $10 more and is significantly better.
I'm guessing you've never experienced an SSD before otherwise you wouldn't be asking this. An i7 instead of an SSD is definitely not worth it or recommended for Starcraft II streaming alone.
GTX 660 is rather overkill for Starcraft II, a GTX 650 Ti which is about $130 can already comfortably handle Starcraft II on ultra settings at 1080p. There is no need for anything better unless you plan on playing other games that aren't from Blizzard.
The most notable differences between brands (besides the obvious price) is post-sale support, warranty, and heatsink. It doesn't really matter much. MSI, Gigabyte, EVGA, and ASUS are all good depending on what you are looking for.
If you are purchasing the processor from Microcenter then get the motherboard from there as well since motherboards are discounted if you purchase with a processor. As you are only doing a slight overclock and is not interested in SLI then you can get the ASUS Z87-A from them for $110. Getting a high-end board like a Z87 Extreme6 is a huge waste of money for a novice.
Well you can invest in a Noctua NH-D14 if you want but remember that a case also has a role in cooling as well.
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On June 03 2013 05:46 S3ph wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hello, everyone. My system has finally broken down, so Im looking for a new one. Im a total noob, so dont go too harsh on me.  What is your budget?Actually, Ive got a birthday gift of 2000 Euros for PC issues, but I never plan to use them all. LOL... So my budget is around 1000 Euros. Might be slighly more, because of dual monitor wish. What is your resolution?1920x1080. In plan, because I don't have sutable monitor(s) yet. What are you using it for?Would be nice to play modern games like Crysis 3, Far cry 3, Sc2 Hots, etc - on max with decent fps. Other than that - a simple typewriter and Internet. No streaming or 3d-Max'ing or video rendering. What is your upgrade cycle?I would say 4-5 years. So yeah, I need decent stuff from the start. When do you plan on building it?June-July 2013. Do you plan on overclocking?Though I have read articles and saw videos how to make it, Im just a bloody noob. Plus, I dont have time to run Prime95 for 24 hours without BSOD. So OC'ing other than muliplier - no. Do you need an Operating System?Yes. Windows 7 Extreme (Home edition? Somebody?) Windows 8? NO! Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?Im planning to use only 1 grafik card. A decent one. So SLI - no. Where are you buying your parts from?hoh.de or notebooksbilliger.de or drivecity.de or compuland.de. I'd rather avoid buying stuff from mindfactory or hardwareversand.
I got lazy, so I went to alternate.de. You can find the equivalent parts at your preferred retailer.
BenQ GW2450HM monitor - a high-quality but otherwise standard 24" 1920x1080 monitor (170 euro)
http://www.alternate.de/BenQ/BenQ GW2450HM,_LED-Monitor/html/product/1007923/?
or
Dell u2713hm monitor - a high-quality 27" 2560x1440 monitor (550 euro)
http://www.alternate.de/Dell/Dell UltraSharp_U2713HM,_LED-Monitor/html/product/1028408/?
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i5-4670 (210 euro)
http://www.alternate.de/Intel(R)/Intel(R) Core(TM)_i5-4670,_CPU/html/product/1063387/?tk=7&lk=8920
Gigabyte H87 (85 euro)
http://www.alternate.de/GIGABYTE/GIGABYTE GA-H87M-HD3,_Mainboard/html/product/1081332/?
Gigabyte 7950 or Sapphire 7970, depending on how much you want to spend (280 or 360)
http://www.alternate.de/SAPPHIRE/SAPPHIRE Radeon_HD_7950_with_Boost,_Grafikkarte/html/product/1060525/?
http://www.alternate.de/SAPPHIRE/SAPPHIRE Radeon_HD_7970,_Grafikkarte/html/product/1031667/?
2x4gb Crucial RAM (53)
http://www.alternate.de/Crucial/Crucial DIMM_8_GB_DDR3-1600_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1008044/?
Case: you can reuse your old one, but if you want a nice new one, the fractal design r4 is a good choice (90)
http://www.alternate.de/Fractal_Design/Fractal_Design Define_R4_Titanium,_Gehaeuse/html/product/1010810/?
PSU: XFX Core 450w (45)
http://www.alternate.de/XFX/XFX 450W_Core_Edition_V2_Full_Wired_(Bronze),_Netzteil/html/product/924186/?
SSD: Samsung 840 128 or 250gb, depending on how much you want to spend on fast storage (83 or 145)
http://www.alternate.de/Samsung/Samsung 840_series_2,5_120_GB,_SSD/html/product/1038279/?
http://www.alternate.de/Samsung/Samsung 840_series_2,5_250_GB,_SSD/html/product/1038276/?
HDD: Samsung 1TB (57)
http://www.alternate.de/Seagate/Seagate ST1000DM003_1_TB,_Festplatte/html/product/963366/?
DVD-burner: another part it seems like it would be easy to reuse a used one (18)
http://www.alternate.de/Samsung/Samsung SH-224BB-BEBE,_DVD-Brenner/html/product/1033259/?
Windows 7 (84 euro). Note that I'm not sure that this is the Deutsch version. Make sure you get the language version you want. But for whatever language, you want Home Premium 64-bit OEM edition.
http://www.alternate.de/Microsoft/Microsoft Windows_7_Home_Premium/html/product/825250/?
Total: 1175 euro to 1700 euro
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On June 06 2013 07:21 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 06:37 -RusH wrote:On June 06 2013 06:36 Ropid wrote:
There was something about Haswell systems being able to use a very little power when idle, but I don't know what's up with that and the PSU. If you can link me with the motherboard you recommended that'd be awesome. Thanks a lot. I'm not sure I'd recommend it, it just showed up directly beneath the CPU after I searched for "i5 4570" on newegg.com, where you found that combo deal you are interested in. Just search for "b85" and you'll see all of those. They all seem a little strange. They all only have two memory slots available and some of them only one other slot after the one for the graphics card. The B75 from the combo deal that caught your attention is also like that, some kind of office PC motherboard. That's the one for $65: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130703This one has HDMI out which might come in handy at some point: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157376The more normal boards show up if you search for "h87" and start at $10 more. That's one of the cheapest: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157385
The original motherboard I had picked out was recommended from skyr a couple pages back so I just chose it again this time with an i5 ivybridge combo. I don't know anything about motherboards so I chose the same as he did. Would it be better to go with the asrock motherboard then instead of the msi motherboard? Or just go back to the ivybridge combo.
I think I'll just go with the Ivybridge combo since it'll be $50 less almost.
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On June 06 2013 08:39 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 02:34 Spec wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, looking to make a Haswell rig to stream SC2. Here's a brief outline of what I have so far
CPU = i5-4670k ~$200 @ microcenter
Motherboard = ASRock Extreme6? Has good review at Tom's ~$170
HSF = CoolerMaster EVO ~$30
GPU = EVGA GTX 660 2gb ~$190
Memory = SSD Kingston HyperX 3K SH103S3/120G 2.5" 120GB ~$120
Storage Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM ~$75
RAM = Crucial Ballistix 8gb DDR3 1333mhz ~$50
Case = Rosewill R5 ~60$
PSU = Corsair Builder CX500 500W ~$50
Estimated Total ~$945 So my questions... Is it worth it to drop SSD and upgrade to i7, given that I don't mind longer boot time? What to look for in a motherboard? How good is gtx 660, and how much does it matter which brand made the board? My room might get pretty hot and I plan to overclock, how much difference would it be to get the legendary Noctua NH-D14 and just never worry about cooling again? Have anyone any experience with the Rosewill R5 case, or have any recommendations about the case? Please let me if you think any changes made to this build, or comments about where it's lacking/overkill. Filled-out survey: + Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
Up to $1,000
What is your resolution?
I want to be able to support 1080p, 60hz.
What are you using it for?
SC2 and streaming it. Some other games, but don't expect to max out graphics. Stream max 720p.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Most likely not for another 4 years for anything major.
When do you plan on building it?
Some time this month, unless anything else significant is coming out.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes. Slightly, on air.
Do you need an Operating System?
No
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No, not a big graphics person.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Mostly online. Microcenter is 1 hour away, so it's an option if deals are good.
Thanks in advance! + Show Spoiler +
CX500 is not a good value. A Rosewill Capstone 450 is $10 more and is significantly better.
I'm guessing you've never experienced an SSD before otherwise you wouldn't be asking this. An i7 instead of an SSD is definitely not worth it or recommended for Starcraft II streaming alone.
GTX 660 is rather overkill for Starcraft II, a GTX 650 Ti which is about $130 can already comfortably handle Starcraft II on ultra settings at 1080p. There is no need for anything better unless you plan on playing other games that aren't from Blizzard.
The most notable differences between brands (besides the obvious price) is post-sale support, warranty, and heatsink. It doesn't really matter much. MSI, Gigabyte, EVGA, and ASUS are all good depending on what you are looking for.
If you are purchasing the processor from Microcenter then get the motherboard from there as well since motherboards are discounted if you purchase with a processor. As you are only doing a slight overclock and is not interested in SLI then you can get the ASUS Z87-A from them for $110. Getting a high-end board like a Z87 Extreme6 is a huge waste of money for a novice.
Well you can invest in a Noctua NH-D14 if you want but remember that a case also has a role in cooling as well.
Hey skyR thanks so much for the advice!
Few more questions to clear things up for me.
Neweggs is having a sale on the Phantom 001, @$90 so I think I will jump on that.
You are suggesting the 450w gold 80+ Rosewill PSU. I am not exactly sure how much wattage leftover I have in this current build. The Phantom also has 4 fans, so that's a bunch.
I am wondering if you could provide me a good rule of thumb on calculating wattage needs. Is 450w gold enough for all single gpu builds, even with OC? How much additional wattage is needed for SLI?
Thanks for you help!
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Swing one of these if you can!!!! Tahiti LE 7870 They are 7950s that didn't make the cut, can squeeze quite a bit more out of them than the regular 7870
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On June 06 2013 11:54 Spec wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2013 08:39 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 02:34 Spec wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, looking to make a Haswell rig to stream SC2. Here's a brief outline of what I have so far
CPU = i5-4670k ~$200 @ microcenter
Motherboard = ASRock Extreme6? Has good review at Tom's ~$170
HSF = CoolerMaster EVO ~$30
GPU = EVGA GTX 660 2gb ~$190
Memory = SSD Kingston HyperX 3K SH103S3/120G 2.5" 120GB ~$120
Storage Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM ~$75
RAM = Crucial Ballistix 8gb DDR3 1333mhz ~$50
Case = Rosewill R5 ~60$
PSU = Corsair Builder CX500 500W ~$50
Estimated Total ~$945 So my questions... Is it worth it to drop SSD and upgrade to i7, given that I don't mind longer boot time? What to look for in a motherboard? How good is gtx 660, and how much does it matter which brand made the board? My room might get pretty hot and I plan to overclock, how much difference would it be to get the legendary Noctua NH-D14 and just never worry about cooling again? Have anyone any experience with the Rosewill R5 case, or have any recommendations about the case? Please let me if you think any changes made to this build, or comments about where it's lacking/overkill. Filled-out survey: + Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
Up to $1,000
What is your resolution?
I want to be able to support 1080p, 60hz.
What are you using it for?
SC2 and streaming it. Some other games, but don't expect to max out graphics. Stream max 720p.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Most likely not for another 4 years for anything major.
When do you plan on building it?
Some time this month, unless anything else significant is coming out.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes. Slightly, on air.
Do you need an Operating System?
No
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No, not a big graphics person.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Mostly online. Microcenter is 1 hour away, so it's an option if deals are good.
Thanks in advance! + Show Spoiler +
CX500 is not a good value. A Rosewill Capstone 450 is $10 more and is significantly better.
I'm guessing you've never experienced an SSD before otherwise you wouldn't be asking this. An i7 instead of an SSD is definitely not worth it or recommended for Starcraft II streaming alone.
GTX 660 is rather overkill for Starcraft II, a GTX 650 Ti which is about $130 can already comfortably handle Starcraft II on ultra settings at 1080p. There is no need for anything better unless you plan on playing other games that aren't from Blizzard.
The most notable differences between brands (besides the obvious price) is post-sale support, warranty, and heatsink. It doesn't really matter much. MSI, Gigabyte, EVGA, and ASUS are all good depending on what you are looking for.
If you are purchasing the processor from Microcenter then get the motherboard from there as well since motherboards are discounted if you purchase with a processor. As you are only doing a slight overclock and is not interested in SLI then you can get the ASUS Z87-A from them for $110. Getting a high-end board like a Z87 Extreme6 is a huge waste of money for a novice.
Well you can invest in a Noctua NH-D14 if you want but remember that a case also has a role in cooling as well.
Hey skyR thanks so much for the advice! Few more questions to clear things up for me. Neweggs is having a sale on the Phantom 001, @$90 so I think I will jump on that. You are suggesting the 450w gold 80+ Rosewill PSU. I am not exactly sure how much wattage leftover I have in this current build. The Phantom also has 4 fans, so that's a bunch. I am wondering if you could provide me a good rule of thumb on calculating wattage needs. Is 450w gold enough for all single gpu builds, even with OC? How much additional wattage is needed for SLI? Thanks for you help!
Yes, the Capstone 450 can handle the majority of overclocked single GPU configurations. Wattage on the label isn't important, its about build quality and amperage on the 12v. All the power hungry components gets its power from the 12v rail and the Capstone 450 provides more power than the Corsair CX500 that you originally selected. An core i5 uses about 50w during load and a GTX 650 Ti is about 100w while a GTX 660 is about 140w so you still have plenty of headroom. You could SLI GTX 650 Ti with a Capstone 450 if you wanted to.
You're not overclocking so any board is fine as long as it meets your connectivity needs. Asrock has a three year warranty, not sure where you're seeing one?
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On June 06 2013 12:39 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 11:54 Spec wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2013 08:39 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 02:34 Spec wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys, looking to make a Haswell rig to stream SC2. Here's a brief outline of what I have so far
CPU = i5-4670k ~$200 @ microcenter
Motherboard = ASRock Extreme6? Has good review at Tom's ~$170
HSF = CoolerMaster EVO ~$30
GPU = EVGA GTX 660 2gb ~$190
Memory = SSD Kingston HyperX 3K SH103S3/120G 2.5" 120GB ~$120
Storage Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM ~$75
RAM = Crucial Ballistix 8gb DDR3 1333mhz ~$50
Case = Rosewill R5 ~60$
PSU = Corsair Builder CX500 500W ~$50
Estimated Total ~$945 So my questions... Is it worth it to drop SSD and upgrade to i7, given that I don't mind longer boot time? What to look for in a motherboard? How good is gtx 660, and how much does it matter which brand made the board? My room might get pretty hot and I plan to overclock, how much difference would it be to get the legendary Noctua NH-D14 and just never worry about cooling again? Have anyone any experience with the Rosewill R5 case, or have any recommendations about the case? Please let me if you think any changes made to this build, or comments about where it's lacking/overkill. Filled-out survey: + Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
Up to $1,000
What is your resolution?
I want to be able to support 1080p, 60hz.
What are you using it for?
SC2 and streaming it. Some other games, but don't expect to max out graphics. Stream max 720p.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Most likely not for another 4 years for anything major.
When do you plan on building it?
Some time this month, unless anything else significant is coming out.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes. Slightly, on air.
Do you need an Operating System?
No
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No, not a big graphics person.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Mostly online. Microcenter is 1 hour away, so it's an option if deals are good.
Thanks in advance! + Show Spoiler +
CX500 is not a good value. A Rosewill Capstone 450 is $10 more and is significantly better.
I'm guessing you've never experienced an SSD before otherwise you wouldn't be asking this. An i7 instead of an SSD is definitely not worth it or recommended for Starcraft II streaming alone.
GTX 660 is rather overkill for Starcraft II, a GTX 650 Ti which is about $130 can already comfortably handle Starcraft II on ultra settings at 1080p. There is no need for anything better unless you plan on playing other games that aren't from Blizzard.
The most notable differences between brands (besides the obvious price) is post-sale support, warranty, and heatsink. It doesn't really matter much. MSI, Gigabyte, EVGA, and ASUS are all good depending on what you are looking for.
If you are purchasing the processor from Microcenter then get the motherboard from there as well since motherboards are discounted if you purchase with a processor. As you are only doing a slight overclock and is not interested in SLI then you can get the ASUS Z87-A from them for $110. Getting a high-end board like a Z87 Extreme6 is a huge waste of money for a novice.
Well you can invest in a Noctua NH-D14 if you want but remember that a case also has a role in cooling as well.
Hey skyR thanks so much for the advice! Few more questions to clear things up for me. Neweggs is having a sale on the Phantom 001, @$90 so I think I will jump on that. You are suggesting the 450w gold 80+ Rosewill PSU. I am not exactly sure how much wattage leftover I have in this current build. The Phantom also has 4 fans, so that's a bunch. I am wondering if you could provide me a good rule of thumb on calculating wattage needs. Is 450w gold enough for all single gpu builds, even with OC? How much additional wattage is needed for SLI? Thanks for you help! Yes, the Capstone 450 can handle the majority of overclocked single GPU configurations. Wattage on the label isn't important, its about build quality and amperage on the 12v. All the power hungry components gets its power from the 12v rail and the Capstone 450 provides more power than the Corsair CX500 that you originally selected. An core i5 uses about 50w during load and a GTX 650 Ti is about 100w while a GTX 660 is about 140w so you still have plenty of headroom. You could SLI GTX 650 Ti with a Capstone 450 if you wanted to. You're not overclocking so any board is fine as long as it meets your connectivity needs. Asrock has a three year warranty, not sure where you're seeing one?
Hmm on the newegg details page it says 1 year warranty for parts and labor. Which is why I thought it was only for 1 year. I'm guessing you have to register it for the full 3 years?
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It says three years on Newegg. Most manufacturers don't require you to register for extended warranty anymore.
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