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On February 28 2013 08:38 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 02:28 Cyro wrote:
1600mhz cas10 1.5v with a massive heat spreader is not particularly good RAM, it's probably better to just buy a fresh new kit or to not get the bundle rather than paying for 16gb of suboptimal RAM I'd say the most annoying thing of my recent build was now I've got this kind of crappy RAM stick they stuck in the box that I have no use for. A minor annoyance, at least :p.
The secret is to start your collection. I suggest a minimum of three disparate boxes full of random cables, adapters, and semi or completely obsolete hardware, organized by the method of "whichever box ended up on top when I needed to throw shit in there".
It's what most geeks do.
Ideally, none of these boxes will be directly related to hardware either. Those boxes will be empty, except for the packaging and manual, just in case you need to ship it back, even though half of it is out of warranty.
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On February 28 2013 08:37 Cyro wrote:
Not really, no.
Do you really need that much voltage for 4ghz? Voltage affects temperatures a lot more than frequencies, and my 3770k can do 4.3ghz on that voltage (though its above average). You could probably get 4.2 or lower it notably
thing is I still don't know how to set it up. last time I did this way,
multiplier: 42
spread spectrum: disabled
additional turbo voltage: +.004
internal pll overvoltage: disabled
gt overclocking support: disabled
power saving mode: disabled
cpu core voltage: offset mode (+.005)
cpu load-line calibration: 50%
C1E: enabled
C3: disabled
C6: disabled
C state: disabled
and the temperatures were abnormal.. http://i.imgur.com/RIqQDGe.jpg
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I think those look a bit high. Xigmatek Gaia with fan at full 1500 rpm shouldn't be that bad, though anybody who actually has IVB probably knows better than me about what those temps usually look like at that load, clock, and voltage.
Did you ever remount the cooler after this?
On February 25 2013 06:16 xeo1 wrote:
ok I cleaned off old thermal paste with 70% isopropyl alcohol and Qtips, then applied the new one evenly with a card and installed the heat sink, plugging in the fan to the CPU FAN_1. however, upon booting the PC, it beeps 4 times and shuts off a few seconds later even though everything is spinning normally. what could the problem be?
For most HDT coolers, lines across the gaps is supposed to do better, like here, picture #4:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1117522/xigmatek-gaia-sd1283-installation-picto-guide
Maybe the mounting pressure is weak, or there's too much or too little paste.
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1.16v is way too much, you can do 4.5ghz on that on a very very good chip.
The temps are completely normal on that kind of voltage. Run manual voltage or learn how to use offset to target a much tighter and lower voltage range
Of course, Myrm is probably right too and you could get 5-10c from messing around with stuff like thermal paste or case airflow. But your vcore is too high, you are effectively running a higher overclock than 4.2ghz.. you could probably shave as much as 0.1v from it if you are lucky.
If you are not failing stress tests repeatedly, you are doing it wrong, your goal is to sit on the edge of stability so you dont ever fail but you dont have more voltage than necessary, either. I'd suggest Intelburntest, 10xVeryhigh (or 20xHigh) runs and restarting a bunch to finetune vcore, dropping til you fail then going up, try to make it fail in IBT if you cant after like 50 runs veryhigh progress to something like 24 hour prime95 custom blend max priority using >90% of your RAM.
My bios only accepted voltage ranges like 1.16, 1.165, 1.17, 1.175 - i just ran through all of them, with step sizes that big. Leave LLC as it is, maybe up a notch if you can put it to 75%
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On February 28 2013 09:01 Myrmidon wrote:I think those look a bit high. Xigmatek Gaia with fan at full 1500 rpm shouldn't be that bad, though anybody who actually has IVB probably knows better than me about what those temps usually look like at that load, clock, and voltage. Did you ever remount the cooler after this? Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 06:16 xeo1 wrote:
ok I cleaned off old thermal paste with 70% isopropyl alcohol and Qtips, then applied the new one evenly with a card and installed the heat sink, plugging in the fan to the CPU FAN_1. however, upon booting the PC, it beeps 4 times and shuts off a few seconds later even though everything is spinning normally. what could the problem be? For most HDT coolers, lines across the gaps is supposed to do better, like here, picture #4: http://www.overclock.net/t/1117522/xigmatek-gaia-sd1283-installation-picto-guideMaybe the mounting pressure is weak, or there's too much or too little paste.
I didn't remount. The problem there was the RAM actually, and after reseating them the PC booted fine. I was actually looking at that guide but just decided to follow the manual on the pasting part.
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On February 28 2013 09:02 Cyro wrote:
1.16v is way too much, you can do 4.5ghz on that on a very good chip.
The temps are completely normal on that kind of voltage. Run manual voltage or learn how to use offset to target a much tighter and lower voltage range
Of course, Myrm is probably right too and you could get 5-10c from messing around with stuff like thermal paste or case airflow. But your vcore is too high, you are effectively running a higher overclock than 4.2ghz.. you could probably shave as much as 0.1v from it if you are lucky.
yea I don't know how to tune the voltage yet manually, I'll work on it. was the voltage fine when I posted about having it at 4.0ghz on the last page? because I left everything auto, only changed the multiplier.
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Yeah, it seems like almost everybody can get 4.2 GHz fine with less than ~1.152V, so assuming you don't want unnecessary heat and noise, you could find a lower voltage that still works.
some newegg comments suggest, for a i5-3570k and Gaia:
1. 4.2 GHz at 60C max (voltage unspecified)
2. 39-42C under full load at stock
3. 4.5 GHz no problem (voltage unspecified)
a post on OCN says 75-78C max in prime blend with 4.4 GHz at 1.2V. Case airflow could well be different, but this is still far off what you're getting.
edit: so whether it's paste or the mounting, unless your case airflow is absolutely terrible or you're running much higher ambient temperatures, your temps seem too high for those settings.
Seems like the motherboard is automatically increasing voltage when you increase clock speeds, so some type of negative offset or setting might be what you'll look for when fine tuning.
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Reading as 1.112 in CPU-Z for 4ghz.
Too high, as in you can do 300-400mhz more on that vcore. I did 4.2ghz, 1.07v and 4.4ghz, 1.128v personally after long term stress testing, above average CPU but your voltages are overkill for even an average one - auto voltage will always give you too much
Voltage unspecified does not tell much - some people can do 4.5ghz on 1.14v, some need 1.34. But odds are, xeo1 is using notably more than neccesary vcore i think
![[image loading]](http://images.anandtech.com/doci/5763/Stock%20Speed,%20Vary%20Voltage.png)
Important to carefully control it with ivy bridge
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I can almost make 4.4ghz on stock voltage, it's just slightly unstable. I must have a good chip. I have 4.2ghz on stock voltage no problem, haven't bothered overclocking more as my performance is fine right now. I can probably get 4.5-4.6 easily.
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On February 27 2013 17:13 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 16:58 Mathwel wrote:On February 27 2013 13:37 upperbound wrote:On February 27 2013 12:24 Ropid wrote:
Look at Asus P8Z77-V Pro and P8Z77-V Deluxe. Both should be equipped for good overclocking, at least compared to the cheap boards. The Deluxe should be better than the Pro for that. I remember a review where the Pro was commended for staying completely stable at up to 52 C heat for four days with their testing, which could be interesting for you as you mentioned it'll get very hot where you are living. Both are a lot cheaper than the Asus Rampage IV Formula you originally planned to buy. Even those are pretty overkill for a 3770k, unless you need the support (for example, if he/she knows that (s)he's going to SLI/Crossfire 7970s, the 2 PCIe 3.0 x16 lanes might matter). Plus, if it's going to get very hot where he/she is, then there's probably even less reason for the slightly better VRM, as he's probably going to be capped by ambient temperatures before supertight voltage regulation for aggressive overclocking matters. If you're looking for just a solid board that can do a decent overclock, without for sure planning on SLI/Crossfire (although these boards will support it if you decide you want to eventually) or needing extra USB 3.0 slots or onboard displayport or something else random, I'd consider these: Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H Asus P8Z77-LX or LK MSI Z77A-G45 or GD55 ASRock Pro3, Pro4 or Extreme4 (although you asked for alternatives to these NOTE: you basically want to choose the cheapest out of these, although the boards do get slightly better from left to right by brand if you find them for the same price or within $5, take the one to the right. If you're doing something like high-quality custom water cooling or better (some insane liquid nitrogen rig or something), then by all means, go buy that V-Pro or Sabertooth or Rampage IV or other nonsense, but for 99% of builders these are a complete waste of money. The ones above hit the sweet spot for all but the more extreme overclocker or the person needing the extra support for specifics reasons, which they should have in mind before they make the leap. Thanks alot for ur advice.. just one more question.. since i cant find those u listed ( out of stock ) these are the options i can find: -Gigabyte® M/B Intel Z77X-UD5H A/L/V (1155) -Asus® M/B Intel P8Z77-V A/L/V (1155) -MSI® M/B Intel Z77A-GD65 A/L/V (1155) -Asus® M/B Intel P8Z77-M PRO A/L/V (1155) about these mb that i listed.. how are them? comparing them to the one's u listed and which one u recommend me? Thanks again for ur answers. Bye ! Those are all more expensive and higher-end than every one listed. Any of those should be more than you need, so the cheapest of those is okay. If there are models like: Gigabyte Z77MX-D3H, Z77X-D3H, Z77X-UD3H, Z77X-UD4H, Z77X-UP4, G1.Sniper M3 Asus P8Z77-M, P8Z77-V LE, P8Z77-V LE Plus then those are between the ones listed previously and the ones you found.
Thanks alot, couldnt find the others so im going with the:
MSI® M/B Intel Z77A-GD65 A/L/V (1155) or the Gigabyte® M/B Intel Z77X-UD5H A/L/V (1155)
and as a last question... which one should i go? the
Asus® Video NVIDIA GeForce GTX680 2048MB GDDR5 DirectCU II
or the
XFX® Video AMD Radeon HD7970 3072MB GDDR5 Double Dissipation Edition
for what i have been reading the gtx works better in some games.. (bf3,crysis, etc)
but is also more expensive, so my question is it worth ? or should i stick with xfx?
thanks alot for ur answers, to everyone.
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ok so bad mounting/paste is giving higher temperatures while my vcore is too much for the clocking I do. I will try to remount/paste the heatsink for a 5-10C difference, but the main thing is to get the vcore right by testing.
could I keep the settings as I listed above and just change the offset value to a negative one?
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My 3570k also needs 1.16 vcore for 4.2, it's not like it's totally out of the ordinary.
Those temperatures do seem a little too high though, depending on your ambient temperatures. How warm is your house/apartment? Do you have the computer near a heating duct?
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On February 28 2013 11:37 upperbound wrote:
My 3570k also needs 1.16 vcore for 4.2, it's not like it's totally out of the ordinary.
Those temperatures do seem a little too high though, depending on your ambient temperatures. How warm is your house/apartment? Do you have the computer near a heating duct?
heating is on 68F and my computer isn't near any heat source :o I am assuming then it's the way I did the pasting.
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Was wondering if you guys could help me review my pc i might build
these are the specs. if i am missing any parts please let me know
case: CM Storm Enforcer Mid Tower ATX Gaming Computer Case
***anyone recommend a very good case? i was thinking this or the HAF912***
process: i5-3570k
fan: Hyper 212 EVO
mobo: ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M1A1600C10
***memory comes with the motherboard thats why i was thinking of buying that***
graphics card: GTX 660
power supply: Builder Series CX600 600 Watt ATX 12V Power Supply
ssd: Samsung 840 250GB
the overall price for the parts would be about $850
i obviously need to get microsoft word, ppt, etc...but what else would i need?
this would be my first time building a pc so no harsh criticism would be appreciated thanks ^^
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On February 28 2013 09:19 Cyro wrote:Reading as 1.112 in CPU-Z for 4ghz. Too high, as in you can do 300-400mhz more on that vcore. I did 4.2ghz, 1.07v and 4.4ghz, 1.128v personally after long term stress testing, above average CPU but your voltages are overkill for even an average one - auto voltage will always give you too much Voltage unspecified does not tell much - some people can do 4.5ghz on 1.14v, some need 1.34. But odds are, xeo1 is using notably more than neccesary vcore i think Important to carefully control it with ivy bridge
Where is that graph from? Those power draws seem too high (both the scaling with voltage and the base draw at .90v). The temps/voltage could be right, but that power line is kind of making me doubt the whole thing.
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Storm Enforcer has same interior layout as HAF 912. It's just about aesthetics and what they include, like fans. Either should be okay.
i5-3570k and Hyper 212 EVO are fine. I wouldn't worry about small differences in RAM. As long as they're bundling DDR3, which they are, it's not a big deal. GTX 660 is fine, though which graphics card with that chip are you getting?
CX600 is pretty useless. Quality is okay but not great. You probably wouldn't want to run two graphics cards on that, so there's not really any good motivation to get that over CX500 or CX430. Might as well spent similar money and get something much higher quality, that also has overkill wattage for the system, like a Rosewill Capstone 450W.
If you're not scared off by the price and value having more SSD space than whatever else (better GPU, less money into the build), 250GB sounds fine to be. You don't need any other storage than this?
Do you need MS Office for working with others, compatibility? There are free alternatives that are mostly worse but serviceable for many people, but compatibility with Office is the real killer.
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On February 28 2013 14:28 upperbound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:19 Cyro wrote:Reading as 1.112 in CPU-Z for 4ghz. Too high, as in you can do 300-400mhz more on that vcore. I did 4.2ghz, 1.07v and 4.4ghz, 1.128v personally after long term stress testing, above average CPU but your voltages are overkill for even an average one - auto voltage will always give you too much Voltage unspecified does not tell much - some people can do 4.5ghz on 1.14v, some need 1.34. But odds are, xeo1 is using notably more than neccesary vcore i think Important to carefully control it with ivy bridge Where is that graph from? Those power draws seem too high (both the scaling with voltage and the base draw at .90v). The temps/voltage could be right, but that power line is kind of making me doubt the whole thing.
That would be system draw, probably from the socket. Actual draw from the cpu alone is much less than that, but well nigh impossible to measure.
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On February 28 2013 14:37 Rollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 14:28 upperbound wrote:On February 28 2013 09:19 Cyro wrote:Reading as 1.112 in CPU-Z for 4ghz. Too high, as in you can do 300-400mhz more on that vcore. I did 4.2ghz, 1.07v and 4.4ghz, 1.128v personally after long term stress testing, above average CPU but your voltages are overkill for even an average one - auto voltage will always give you too much Voltage unspecified does not tell much - some people can do 4.5ghz on 1.14v, some need 1.34. But odds are, xeo1 is using notably more than neccesary vcore i think Important to carefully control it with ivy bridge Where is that graph from? Those power draws seem too high (both the scaling with voltage and the base draw at .90v). The temps/voltage could be right, but that power line is kind of making me doubt the whole thing. That would be system draw, probably from the socket. Actual draw from the cpu alone is much less than that, but well nigh impossible to measure.
Okay, that makes much more sense; I kind of see what they're getting at now.
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On February 28 2013 14:30 Myrmidon wrote:
Storm Enforcer has same interior layout as HAF 912. It's just about aesthetics and what they include, like fans. Either should be okay.
i5-3570k and Hyper 212 EVO are fine. I wouldn't worry about small differences in RAM. As long as they're bundling DDR3, which they are, it's not a big deal. GTX 660 is fine, though which graphics card with that chip are you getting?
CX600 is pretty useless. Quality is okay but not great. You probably wouldn't want to run two graphics cards on that, so there's not really any good motivation to get that over CX500 or CX430. Might as well spent similar money and get something much higher quality, that also has overkill wattage for the system, like a Rosewill Capstone 450W.
If you're not scared off by the price and value having more SSD space than whatever else (better GPU, less money into the build), 250GB sounds fine to be. You don't need any other storage than this?
Do you need MS Office for working with others, compatibility? There are free alternatives that are mostly worse but serviceable for many people, but compatibility with Office is the real killer.
first of all thank you for replying back on this. i really appreciate it ^^
1) ill still be deciding between the two cases
2) i wont be using two graphics card, just one gtx 660
i do not understand when you asked which graphics card with what chip i was getting.
can you explain more on that please?
3)i will be looking at other power supplies and post an update on this thread
4) when you stated, "having more ssd space than whatever else" are you saying to get a an ssd card with more gb?
for other storage, i was thinking about using the hard drive i have on my computer. I still have alot of space because i do not really use much space
5) I do not understand what you mean by compatibility? I only meant that i would need microsoft office for my computer and what other programs i would need haha i guess thats just something i would personally need to find haha
the numbers are based on the replies on each paragraph to make it easier on you :D
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