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On October 22 2012 22:37 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 10:09 ROOTT1 wrote:On October 22 2012 10:07 Medrea wrote:
That seems a bit low for 90v90 but I wonder does it just slow down when it loses focus? Or did it slow down and THEN you tabbed over?
Someone else will have to chime in though. Ive been up for nearly 24 hours (Im too old for this), and im afraid it might hurt my deductive reasoning ability without me realizing it. Im sure someone else will come by in just a moment. it slowed down after i tabbed over, its odd because up until 1 month ago everything was fine =/. minigun told me that he used to have the same issue aswell, up until someone changed a few settings in his bios and that solved the problem Oh. What are your framerates in this scenario when you dont tab out to a different window then? Games do different things when they lose the focus. Also I really doubt any fiddling around in the BIOS solved miniguns problem unless it was overclock related, which doesnt pertain to you because your not overclocking. That being said. Why are you not overclocking when you spent the money on a k processor? Also 60 FPS lategame is fine, in fact the best any processor can do is about 40 FPS in ultimate 1v1 confrontations at 200v200. I dont really know what your experience in early game is though.
usually like 60 fps, and the reason why i didnt oc my cpu was because i was having this weird issue where my computer would automatically reboot a couple of times after i would boot it up when it was oced. ever since then i restored everything to the default settings and it stopped doing that. that being said i oced it to 4ghz yesterday and everything seems fine for the time being
i just tried to stream today on 720p w/ 1300 bitrate/buffer and it was lagging really hard =/. i cleaned up my computer w/ auslogics boostspeed and im not lagging when im not streaming anymore, that being said i really shouldnt experience any lag w/ my setup.. it should be able handle it easily
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1300 is not really enough for 720p. Not at any kind of good framerate anyway.
Starcraft 2 is gonna get pretty low in FPS if you are streaming. I wouldnt expect much above 25 FPS maxed 1v1 confrontations seeing as how 40 FPS while not streaming is as good as it gets for current processors anyway.
The only way your gonna get streaming to not effect your SC2 gaming experience is to get another entire computer with a capture card to do the streaming for you, as in what tournaments do. Which I wouldn't do since your upload is nothing to write home about anyway.
Also if you are using Xsplit, its not very good. But thats my personal opinion. Try another streaming service.
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On October 23 2012 21:04 Medrea wrote:
1300 is not really enough for 720p. Not at any kind of good framerate anyway.
Starcraft 2 is gonna get pretty low in FPS if you are streaming. I wouldnt expect much above 25 FPS maxed 1v1 confrontations seeing as how 40 FPS while not streaming is as good as it gets for current processors anyway.
The only way your gonna get streaming to not effect your SC2 gaming experience is to get another entire computer with a capture card to do the streaming for you, as in what tournaments do. Which I wouldn't do since your upload is nothing to write home about anyway.
Also if you are using Xsplit, its not very good. But thats my personal opinion. Try another streaming service.
is there any particular reason why i shouldnt get a capture card for my current comp? i have 10 upload o.O
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Oh if you have 10 up why are you setting the stream parameters so low?
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I would keep increasing the bitrate even higher. I stream at 4500 like a bouse. To hell with people that can't decode that fast enough, damn DSL users.
That being said. Yeah capture card would actually do a whole lot for you. Its helping a friend of mine a lot (he only has a phenom II 965).
Although we are having problems with the card outputting more than 625 lines, Im not gonna let that flavor my opinion of capture cards.
You may indeed find the cost of the card worth it. 720p @ 60 FPS is really fun to watch (while it can be maintained in SC2 anyway).
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On October 24 2012 01:25 Medrea wrote:
I would keep increasing the bitrate even higher. I stream at 4500 like a bouse. To hell with people that can't decode that fast enough, damn DSL users.
That being said. Yeah capture card would actually do a whole lot for you. Its helping a friend of mine a lot (he only has a phenom II 965).
Although we are having problems with the card outputting more than 625 lines, Im not gonna let that flavor my opinion of capture cards.
You may indeed find the cost of the card worth it. 720p @ 60 FPS is really fun to watch (while it can be maintained in SC2 anyway).
but shouldnt i be able to stream without having any issues with my current setup o O? i dont feel comfortable knowing that something is most likely wrong with my comp 8D
tbh all i want to do is stream on 720p with like 3k bitrate and 30fps, that shouldnt be very demanding for my comp
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Im not 100 percent that there even is an issue.
SC2 is ridiculously hard to stream because its all about the CPU (what with the crazy pathing) and then streaming is CPU exclusive as well so double dipping on the same component, one is stretching the limits each core can perform while the other is stretching the teamworking limits of the cores, makes streaming SC2 very very tricky.
We usually see two things from pro players. They either don't stream because they hate how it affects their playing experience, or they just man up and eat it, or a third option which is to invest in capture card technology.
You should just PM me a replay. Then tell me a time in the replay you want to talk about, with the FPS number you get at that moment in time.
Then I can go super in depth with you. Since I have good internet, and an i5 2500k which is very close to what you have. If Im able to run it better than you can, then we have a problem. It would make everything way way easier to talk about.
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It doesnt even have to be one of your replays if you dont want to upload anything (Dropbox is super convenient for uploading things BTW).
Just point me to a replay on the internet with a large army conflict in it.
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Hi, I recently bought a new GPU, the Sapphire 7950 950mhz, which is quite a powerful card. I am considering getting a more powerful CPU so that it can be in line with my new GPU; I believe my CPU is bottlenecking in some games (not just SC2).
This upgrade isn't imperative, but I have the cash, and I have no other major money sinks :D I don't know too much about motherboards, but I believe my one won't take an i5 (i5 is the best for gaming right now I am lead to believe).
My current mobo is an MSI 770-G45, AM3, my CPU Phenom II x4 925. I have the Cooler Master Hyper 212 cooler (is this a good cooler? It fits an i5 processor too, correct?). I could OC my CPU to 3.6 ish ghz, as it's running VERY coolly, but I don't know if the benefit is worth it. I would sell my mobo/CPU/stock cooler and invest in a new mobo and Ivybridge i5, 3470k. Would I see a huge benefit with this CPU? I also convert video files quite often, a speedup here would be nice, though this is not my main priority. Would I see any here?
Any recommendations on the mobo? I would love to OC, as much as possible, that's really my only condition.A quality mobo that's good for a simple OC, maybe to 4.6ghz? As cheap as possible of course 
Thanks for your help
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Yes the cooler will go with a socket 1155 system. For which you would need to get a new motherboard.
Yeah you would see a performance boost across nearly the entire board.
4.6 might be a tad aggressive.
Whether or not its worth the money upgrade is for you to decide. Expect to pay around $300. Though I dunno what that means for people in Ireland.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/81?vs=288
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Thanks! 300 dollars, that's less than 250 euro, not bad, I might get 100 out of selling the CPU and mobo second hand. Any recommendations as to a motherboard?
I have the Amazon SuperFlower 80 plus 650 watt PSU, that should bemroe than enough for OCing, even if I OC the GPU as well?
Thanks for your help, I am teaching myself all this and looking for confirmations mostly
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Yeah your PSU fine.
Any socket 1155 that is an i5 with the letter "K" at the end of it should be right up your ally. Im partial to Asrock Pro 3 (Z75 or Z77 in your case) motherboards since they are often under $100 and allow fairly moderate overclocking.
We have a few holidays coming up, so standing back and seeing what happens to be on sale might not be a bad idea.
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On October 24 2012 04:04 Medrea wrote:
Yeah your PSU fine.
Any socket 1155 that is an i5 with the letter "K" at the end of it should be right up your ally. Im partial to Asrock Pro 3 (Z75 or Z77 in your case) motherboards since they are often under $90 and allow fairly moderate overclocking.
We have a few holidays coming up, so standing back and seeing what happens to be on sale might not be a bad idea.
Yes, no rush really! This is a truly luxury-based upgrade. I'm so conservative with my other expenses, I feel OK indulging :D \
Something like this? hat generally differentiates mobos? I know you mentioned OCing might be one facto (one board allowing more), is it higher sustained voltage tolerance or something that allows this to occur? What else might make one mobo dearer than another?
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Some boards do not allow overclocking (or very very minimal amount of it).
Some boards are better for SLI/Crossfire. As in x16x4 versus x8x8.
Some boards have better bandwidth for things like Sata 3.0 versus Sata 2.0 (important for SSD's).
Some boards have integrated GPU enabled, some have them disabled (wont even have a VGA port which can be handy for debugging a system).
Its more about features than it actually is about internals. That being said, there are also internal features that do factor in ability to overclock. More phases and the like.
Also BIOS differences between boards. ASRock usually has a nice UEFI BIOS you can use your mouse in, kinda like a mini OS. Some ASUS boards literally have a mini OS on the board itself (older ones even used to have a tiny SSD implanted on the board and you can browse the web right from the mini OS). Some manufacturers still have the blue BIOS we have been using since the 80's.
Some boards have slightly different onboard audio, most onboard is Realtek.
Different boards will have different amounts of devices. Like some dont even have PCI slots so if you have a legacy PCI (not PCI-e) soundcard or other device it wont work. Also a lot of boards dont come with IDE slots anymore. I had an optical drive once that was IDE but now that I upgraded I cant use it anymore. Not that I really need it.
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Thanks a lot! The fact that the differences are features rather than physical, quality differences kind of makes sense, as enthusiasts are almost as likely to go from a 90 dollar board as a dearer one, if you get my meaning.
What in a board limits the OCing?
The info about the mini BIOS is cool!
Thanks again for your time.
Oh, and is this the board you are referring to? http://lb.hardwareversand.de/DDR3/65251/ASRock ZH77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX.article
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There are plenty of physical differences, but none of them will inhibit the performance of your PC directly. For my i5-2500k I just wanted to overclock it to 4.0ghz, but if I was gonna go up to 4.5 or higher where I would most certainly expect to be adjusting the voltage I would look into board quality. But since Im only overclocking to the point where I can keep the voltage at default, Im not as interested. No point in buying a better board if Im not gonna be cranking up the juice anyway right?
Also pretty sure that board is of northbridge type H77. H means it wont overclock like you want it to.
No idea why its called the ZH77 thats the most confusing thing ever.
I was looking at something like this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130653&name=Intel-Motherboards
or this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157297&name=Intel-Motherboards
Obviously checking the website you'd actually be buying from.
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Seriously though why is that called the ZH77? That is confusing.
Maybe one of you other people know, Im not as hip to Ivy Bridge.
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There are differences in physical/electrical quality, particularly between the high-end and lowest-end. In most of the middle, you're mostly just paying for the extra features though. This doesn't result in a difference in performance though (except in one case, below).
The only real place where there may be a significant hardware quality difference that affects the functionality is in the CPU power delivery circuit and controller (and cooling for the electronics, in the form of the heatsinks or lack thereof). Some motherboards (these days, all Intel motherboards that don't start with a Z) don't allow CPU overclocking. As for those that do, the controller and what they allow in the BIOS determines the features available, what kinds of settings are possible. The electronics determine how much power can be delivered, how accurately the set voltages are maintained, and so on. Better electronics cost more money. More aggressive overclocking options tend not to be available on motherboards without the hardware to handle that kind of abuse, because you'd be frying something or at least just operating it outside its comfort zone.
In terms of functional day-to-day overclocking, the AsRock Pro3-level motherboards tend to be the cheapest decent options that can handle it well. The high-end motherboards are more capable of extreme overclocking, with subzero cooling and features to try to push the limits to set records. The cheapest motherboards that nominally support CPU overclocking may be very limited in features and hardware. If you see something like a 4+1+1 (looks like?) phase power delivery circuit with no heatsinks and traditional MOSFET (probably not the highest-grade parts too) configuration on a low-end MSI Z77A-G41, you can probably assume the hardware is probably not up to task, if you wanted to adjust the voltage.
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