On May 05 2024 22:57 swarminfestor wrote: One thing to ponder, did Serral has ever brought his team to win official pro-league tournament? (Not something like one day team event) Basilisk has participated WTL tournament three times so far with heavily favorite to win, but cannot do that under Serral as one of his member. I knew these are also other teammate responsibilities but still why Maru or Rogue can manhandle their team to win the trophy but not Serral?
What is there to ponder?
Serral's performance in WTL, like most of his performances, has been stellar. It was Maru's teammates who simply performed better than Serral's teammates in those leagues, relatively speaking. Trigger, while showing potential, is simply not at the level of an S-tier player, and Reynor's 50/50 statistics have become a literal meme.
For instance, Serral has literally been awared the Regular Season MVP in the Summer 2023 season. Later on in the playoffs, he all-killed the third-best team of WTL Code S, Abydos. On that particular day, he also continued to go on a 9-0 win streak, before losing a single ZvZ series against Solar. In fact, his wins on that day also included a 2-0 over Maru, as so often. If anyone's contribution to the Onsyde victory on the finals day stood out, it was Solar's, not Maru's, which is why Solar also got the Playoffs MVP, not Maru.
Besides, while not as prestigious, it is worth noting that Serral single-handedly brought Finland, out of all coutries, to win Nation Wars 2019 against, yes, South Korea in the finals.
Last season Maru record was better than Serral. Serral lost 4 games, 2 that cost his team points (against Wayne and Maru), 2 that covered by his teammates (against Dark and Firefly). And yes his teammate isnt as stable is Maru, although not by a huge margin imo, Serral still didnt "do his job" in those instances. And in the playoff, Serral simply got demoralized by Clem (so did Maru) so they were just equally as "bad" in the playoff.
On May 05 2024 22:57 swarminfestor wrote: One thing to ponder, did Serral has ever brought his team to win official pro-league tournament? (Not something like one day team event) Basilisk has participated WTL tournament three times so far with heavily favorite to win, but cannot do that under Serral as one of his member. I knew these are also other teammate responsibilities but still why Maru or Rogue can manhandle their team to win the trophy but not Serral?
What is there to ponder?
Serral's performance in WTL, like most of his performances, has been stellar. It was Maru's teammates who simply performed better than Serral's teammates in those leagues, relatively speaking. Trigger, while showing potential, is simply not at the level of an S-tier player, and Reynor's 50/50 statistics have become a literal meme.
For instance, Serral has literally been awared the Regular Season MVP in the Summer 2023 season. Later on in the playoffs, he all-killed the third-best team of WTL Code S, Abydos. On that particular day, he also continued to go on a 9-0 win streak, before losing a single ZvZ series against Solar. In fact, his wins on that day also included a 2-0 over Maru, as so often. If anyone's contribution to the Onsyde victory on the finals day stood out, it was Solar's, not Maru's, which is why Solar also got the Playoffs MVP, not Maru.
Besides, while not as prestigious, it is worth noting that Serral single-handedly brought Finland, out of all coutries, to win Nation Wars 2019 against, yes, South Korea in the finals.
Last season Maru record was better than Serral. Serral lost 4 games, 2 that cost his team points (against Wayne and Maru), 2 that covered by his teammates (against Dark and Firefly). And yes his teammate isnt as stable is Maru, although not by a huge margin imo, Serral still didnt "do his job" in those instances. And in the playoff, Serral simply got demoralized by Clem (so did Maru) so they were just equally as "bad" in the playoff.
Yes, and now what?
Both Serral's and Maru's performances in WTL have been far ahead of those of the rest of the players, with Serral having been the best in Summer 2023 and Maru slightly overtaking him in Winter 2023 by but a few maps. And yes, both of them were beaten by Clem at the end of that season, who was on fire at that time (as he is right now), but they both were still by far the best players in the whole league.
The point is that Serral has been consistently delivering in WTL, as he essentially always does in every tournament and league he participates in, to an even greater degree than Maru. But in team leagues, teammates matter, and Maru's teammates happen to have performed better than Serral's.
Generally speaking TL apart from Proleague haven't been taken as seriously and have been far more prone to random upsets and team kills (Sheth, Marinelord etc)
Maru does have an argument for best sc2 proleague player which is probably one of the strongest defenses for him (as it also justifies his lack of results pre-2017, he focused more on Proleague).
The argument that Maru had better teammates is also inarguable. sOs was a premier sniper and Rogue was solid even when he was Savage. Add in Cure, Trap, Creator...Jin Air was nearly always a top tier menance and Maru was just part of that equation.
On May 05 2024 22:57 swarminfestor wrote: One thing to ponder, did Serral has ever brought his team to win official pro-league tournament? (Not something like one day team event) Basilisk has participated WTL tournament three times so far with heavily favorite to win, but cannot do that under Serral as one of his member. I knew these are also other teammate responsibilities but still why Maru or Rogue can manhandle their team to win the trophy but not Serral?
What is there to ponder?
Serral's performance in WTL, like most of his performances, has been stellar. It was Maru's teammates who simply performed better than Serral's teammates in those leagues, relatively speaking. Trigger, while showing potential, is simply not at the level of an S-tier player, and Reynor's 50/50 statistics have become a literal meme.
For instance, Serral has literally been awared the Regular Season MVP in the Summer 2023 season. Later on in the playoffs, he all-killed the third-best team of WTL Code S, Abydos. On that particular day, he also continued to go on a 9-0 win streak, before losing a single ZvZ series against Solar. In fact, his wins on that day also included a 2-0 over Maru, as so often. If anyone's contribution to the Onsyde victory on the finals day stood out, it was Solar's, not Maru's, which is why Solar also got the Playoffs MVP, not Maru.
Besides, while not as prestigious, it is worth noting that Serral single-handedly brought Finland, out of all coutries, to win Nation Wars 2019 against, yes, South Korea in the finals.
Last season Maru record was better than Serral. Serral lost 4 games, 2 that cost his team points (against Wayne and Maru), 2 that covered by his teammates (against Dark and Firefly). And yes his teammate isnt as stable is Maru, although not by a huge margin imo, Serral still didnt "do his job" in those instances. And in the playoff, Serral simply got demoralized by Clem (so did Maru) so they were just equally as "bad" in the playoff.
Yes, and now what?
Both Serral's and Maru's performances in WTL have been far ahead of those of the rest of the players, with Serral having been the best in Summer 2023 and Maru slightly overtaking him in Winter 2023 by but a few maps.
Interesting way to frame this when in wtl summer serral went 23-1 and maru 21-2. They've both been ahead in wtl of everyone else but funny how when maru edges serral we get the qualifier of "slightly overtaking and just by a few maps" but we don't get the same qualifier when serral edges maru
On May 05 2024 22:57 swarminfestor wrote: One thing to ponder, did Serral has ever brought his team to win official pro-league tournament? (Not something like one day team event) Basilisk has participated WTL tournament three times so far with heavily favorite to win, but cannot do that under Serral as one of his member. I knew these are also other teammate responsibilities but still why Maru or Rogue can manhandle their team to win the trophy but not Serral?
What is there to ponder?
Serral's performance in WTL, like most of his performances, has been stellar. It was Maru's teammates who simply performed better than Serral's teammates in those leagues, relatively speaking. Trigger, while showing potential, is simply not at the level of an S-tier player, and Reynor's 50/50 statistics have become a literal meme.
For instance, Serral has literally been awared the Regular Season MVP in the Summer 2023 season. Later on in the playoffs, he all-killed the third-best team of WTL Code S, Abydos. On that particular day, he also continued to go on a 9-0 win streak, before losing a single ZvZ series against Solar. In fact, his wins on that day also included a 2-0 over Maru, as so often. If anyone's contribution to the Onsyde victory on the finals day stood out, it was Solar's, not Maru's, which is why Solar also got the Playoffs MVP, not Maru.
Besides, while not as prestigious, it is worth noting that Serral single-handedly brought Finland, out of all coutries, to win Nation Wars 2019 against, yes, South Korea in the finals.
Last season Maru record was better than Serral. Serral lost 4 games, 2 that cost his team points (against Wayne and Maru), 2 that covered by his teammates (against Dark and Firefly). And yes his teammate isnt as stable is Maru, although not by a huge margin imo, Serral still didnt "do his job" in those instances. And in the playoff, Serral simply got demoralized by Clem (so did Maru) so they were just equally as "bad" in the playoff.
Yes, and now what?
Both Serral's and Maru's performances in WTL have been far ahead of those of the rest of the players, with Serral having been the best in Summer 2023 and Maru slightly overtaking him in Winter 2023 by but a few maps.
Interesting way to frame this when in wtl summer serral went 23-1 and maru 21-2. They've both been ahead in wtl of everyone else but funny how when maru edges serral we get the qualifier of "slightly overtaking and just by a few maps" but we don't get the same qualifier when serral edges maru
This is because of the original post I responded to, which you may want to read. But I'll happily spell it out for you: Serral slightly outperformed Maru by just a few maps in WTL Summer 2023.
On May 04 2024 04:45 ruhtraeel wrote: Just going to throw in Nada as the most talented SC progamer ever (even more than Flash, Maru, Serral, etc).
Flash had innate talent, but worked his absolute ass off as well, and we've seen times when his performance is rusty (like right now), leading to early exits out of tournaments like ASL 1.
Nada was at the top of the world, winning the golden mouse (3rd OSL championship), but according to Flash, literally just played Sudden Attack leading up to the finals, and just copied a build he saw once and won.
Even Jaedong says Nada was just different.
You aren't wrong about peak Nada's talent. The huge difference is that Flash has survived every era of the game since he started. Nada tried to come back in the ASL and couldn't.
Flash has always just worked insanely hard. Relying on talent only carries you so far and people are eventually going to catch up, but it's impressive how Nada became so dominant for such a long time based off of talent alone
On May 05 2024 22:57 swarminfestor wrote: One thing to ponder, did Serral has ever brought his team to win official pro-league tournament? (Not something like one day team event) Basilisk has participated WTL tournament three times so far with heavily favorite to win, but cannot do that under Serral as one of his member. I knew these are also other teammate responsibilities but still why Maru or Rogue can manhandle their team to win the trophy but not Serral?
What is there to ponder?
Serral's performance in WTL, like most of his performances, has been stellar. It was Maru's teammates who simply performed better than Serral's teammates in those leagues, relatively speaking. Trigger, while showing potential, is simply not at the level of an S-tier player, and Reynor's 50/50 statistics have become a literal meme.
For instance, Serral has literally been awared the Regular Season MVP in the Summer 2023 season. Later on in the playoffs, he all-killed the third-best team of WTL Code S, Abydos. On that particular day, he also continued to go on a 9-0 win streak, before losing a single ZvZ series against Solar. In fact, his wins on that day also included a 2-0 over Maru, as so often. If anyone's contribution to the Onsyde victory on the finals day stood out, it was Solar's, not Maru's, which is why Solar also got the Playoffs MVP, not Maru.
Besides, while not as prestigious, it is worth noting that Serral single-handedly brought Finland, out of all coutries, to win Nation Wars 2019 against, yes, South Korea in the finals.
Last season Maru record was better than Serral. Serral lost 4 games, 2 that cost his team points (against Wayne and Maru), 2 that covered by his teammates (against Dark and Firefly). And yes his teammate isnt as stable is Maru, although not by a huge margin imo, Serral still didnt "do his job" in those instances. And in the playoff, Serral simply got demoralized by Clem (so did Maru) so they were just equally as "bad" in the playoff.
Sorry but that is some next level desperation argument cherry picking.
On May 05 2024 22:57 swarminfestor wrote: One thing to ponder, did Serral has ever brought his team to win official pro-league tournament? (Not something like one day team event) Basilisk has participated WTL tournament three times so far with heavily favorite to win, but cannot do that under Serral as one of his member. I knew these are also other teammate responsibilities but still why Maru or Rogue can manhandle their team to win the trophy but not Serral?
What is there to ponder?
Serral's performance in WTL, like most of his performances, has been stellar. It was Maru's teammates who simply performed better than Serral's teammates in those leagues, relatively speaking. Trigger, while showing potential, is simply not at the level of an S-tier player, and Reynor's 50/50 statistics have become a literal meme.
For instance, Serral has literally been awared the Regular Season MVP in the Summer 2023 season. Later on in the playoffs, he all-killed the third-best team of WTL Code S, Abydos. On that particular day, he also continued to go on a 9-0 win streak, before losing a single ZvZ series against Solar. In fact, his wins on that day also included a 2-0 over Maru, as so often. If anyone's contribution to the Onsyde victory on the finals day stood out, it was Solar's, not Maru's, which is why Solar also got the Playoffs MVP, not Maru.
Besides, while not as prestigious, it is worth noting that Serral single-handedly brought Finland, out of all coutries, to win Nation Wars 2019 against, yes, South Korea in the finals.
Last season Maru record was better than Serral. Serral lost 4 games, 2 that cost his team points (against Wayne and Maru), 2 that covered by his teammates (against Dark and Firefly). And yes his teammate isnt as stable is Maru, although not by a huge margin imo, Serral still didnt "do his job" in those instances. And in the playoff, Serral simply got demoralized by Clem (so did Maru) so they were just equally as "bad" in the playoff.
Sorry but that is some next level desperation argument cherry picking.
Well, at this level of GOAT debate, everything is about nitpicking, so yeah. If you saying that both Serral and Maru are miles ahead of the rest of players in team league, I am totally fine with that also.
On May 05 2024 22:57 swarminfestor wrote: One thing to ponder, did Serral has ever brought his team to win official pro-league tournament? (Not something like one day team event) Basilisk has participated WTL tournament three times so far with heavily favorite to win, but cannot do that under Serral as one of his member. I knew these are also other teammate responsibilities but still why Maru or Rogue can manhandle their team to win the trophy but not Serral?
What is there to ponder?
Serral's performance in WTL, like most of his performances, has been stellar. It was Maru's teammates who simply performed better than Serral's teammates in those leagues, relatively speaking. Trigger, while showing potential, is simply not at the level of an S-tier player, and Reynor's 50/50 statistics have become a literal meme.
For instance, Serral has literally been awared the Regular Season MVP in the Summer 2023 season. Later on in the playoffs, he all-killed the third-best team of WTL Code S, Abydos. On that particular day, he also continued to go on a 9-0 win streak, before losing a single ZvZ series against Solar. In fact, his wins on that day also included a 2-0 over Maru, as so often. If anyone's contribution to the Onsyde victory on the finals day stood out, it was Solar's, not Maru's, which is why Solar also got the Playoffs MVP, not Maru.
Besides, while not as prestigious, it is worth noting that Serral single-handedly brought Finland, out of all coutries, to win Nation Wars 2019 against, yes, South Korea in the finals.
Last season Maru record was better than Serral. Serral lost 4 games, 2 that cost his team points (against Wayne and Maru), 2 that covered by his teammates (against Dark and Firefly). And yes his teammate isnt as stable is Maru, although not by a huge margin imo, Serral still didnt "do his job" in those instances. And in the playoff, Serral simply got demoralized by Clem (so did Maru) so they were just equally as "bad" in the playoff.
Sorry but that is some next level desperation argument cherry picking.
On May 05 2024 22:57 swarminfestor wrote: One thing to ponder, did Serral has ever brought his team to win official pro-league tournament? (Not something like one day team event) Basilisk has participated WTL tournament three times so far with heavily favorite to win, but cannot do that under Serral as one of his member. I knew these are also other teammate responsibilities but still why Maru or Rogue can manhandle their team to win the trophy but not Serral?
What is there to ponder?
Serral's performance in WTL, like most of his performances, has been stellar. It was Maru's teammates who simply performed better than Serral's teammates in those leagues, relatively speaking. Trigger, while showing potential, is simply not at the level of an S-tier player, and Reynor's 50/50 statistics have become a literal meme.
For instance, Serral has literally been awared the Regular Season MVP in the Summer 2023 season. Later on in the playoffs, he all-killed the third-best team of WTL Code S, Abydos. On that particular day, he also continued to go on a 9-0 win streak, before losing a single ZvZ series against Solar. In fact, his wins on that day also included a 2-0 over Maru, as so often. If anyone's contribution to the Onsyde victory on the finals day stood out, it was Solar's, not Maru's, which is why Solar also got the Playoffs MVP, not Maru.
Besides, while not as prestigious, it is worth noting that Serral single-handedly brought Finland, out of all coutries, to win Nation Wars 2019 against, yes, South Korea in the finals.
Last season Maru record was better than Serral. Serral lost 4 games, 2 that cost his team points (against Wayne and Maru), 2 that covered by his teammates (against Dark and Firefly). And yes his teammate isnt as stable is Maru, although not by a huge margin imo, Serral still didnt "do his job" in those instances. And in the playoff, Serral simply got demoralized by Clem (so did Maru) so they were just equally as "bad" in the playoff.
Sorry but that is some next level desperation argument cherry picking.
I believe that the one time Serral barely lost to Ragnarok in IEM whereas Maru keeps 4-0'ing him in GSL proves that Maru > Serral once and for all. These are absolutely not two different cherry-picked statistics about Ragnarok, nope nope.
On May 05 2024 22:57 swarminfestor wrote: One thing to ponder, did Serral has ever brought his team to win official pro-league tournament? (Not something like one day team event) Basilisk has participated WTL tournament three times so far with heavily favorite to win, but cannot do that under Serral as one of his member. I knew these are also other teammate responsibilities but still why Maru or Rogue can manhandle their team to win the trophy but not Serral?
What is there to ponder?
Serral's performance in WTL, like most of his performances, has been stellar. It was Maru's teammates who simply performed better than Serral's teammates in those leagues, relatively speaking. Trigger, while showing potential, is simply not at the level of an S-tier player, and Reynor's 50/50 statistics have become a literal meme.
For instance, Serral has literally been awared the Regular Season MVP in the Summer 2023 season. Later on in the playoffs, he all-killed the third-best team of WTL Code S, Abydos. On that particular day, he also continued to go on a 9-0 win streak, before losing a single ZvZ series against Solar. In fact, his wins on that day also included a 2-0 over Maru, as so often. If anyone's contribution to the Onsyde victory on the finals day stood out, it was Solar's, not Maru's, which is why Solar also got the Playoffs MVP, not Maru.
Besides, while not as prestigious, it is worth noting that Serral single-handedly brought Finland, out of all coutries, to win Nation Wars 2019 against, yes, South Korea in the finals.
Last season Maru record was better than Serral. Serral lost 4 games, 2 that cost his team points (against Wayne and Maru), 2 that covered by his teammates (against Dark and Firefly). And yes his teammate isnt as stable is Maru, although not by a huge margin imo, Serral still didnt "do his job" in those instances. And in the playoff, Serral simply got demoralized by Clem (so did Maru) so they were just equally as "bad" in the playoff.
Sorry but that is some next level desperation argument cherry picking.
I believe that the one time Serral barely lost to Ragnarok in IEM whereas Maru keeps 4-0'ing him in GSL proves that Maru > Serral once and for all. These are absolutely not two different cherry-picked statistics about Ragnarok, nope nope.
Not only does it prove that Maru > Serral but it also proves Maru is more than 4 times as good as Serral obviously
On May 05 2024 22:57 swarminfestor wrote: One thing to ponder, did Serral has ever brought his team to win official pro-league tournament? (Not something like one day team event) Basilisk has participated WTL tournament three times so far with heavily favorite to win, but cannot do that under Serral as one of his member. I knew these are also other teammate responsibilities but still why Maru or Rogue can manhandle their team to win the trophy but not Serral?
What is there to ponder?
Serral's performance in WTL, like most of his performances, has been stellar. It was Maru's teammates who simply performed better than Serral's teammates in those leagues, relatively speaking. Trigger, while showing potential, is simply not at the level of an S-tier player, and Reynor's 50/50 statistics have become a literal meme.
For instance, Serral has literally been awared the Regular Season MVP in the Summer 2023 season. Later on in the playoffs, he all-killed the third-best team of WTL Code S, Abydos. On that particular day, he also continued to go on a 9-0 win streak, before losing a single ZvZ series against Solar. In fact, his wins on that day also included a 2-0 over Maru, as so often. If anyone's contribution to the Onsyde victory on the finals day stood out, it was Solar's, not Maru's, which is why Solar also got the Playoffs MVP, not Maru.
Besides, while not as prestigious, it is worth noting that Serral single-handedly brought Finland, out of all coutries, to win Nation Wars 2019 against, yes, South Korea in the finals.
Last season Maru record was better than Serral. Serral lost 4 games, 2 that cost his team points (against Wayne and Maru), 2 that covered by his teammates (against Dark and Firefly). And yes his teammate isnt as stable is Maru, although not by a huge margin imo, Serral still didnt "do his job" in those instances. And in the playoff, Serral simply got demoralized by Clem (so did Maru) so they were just equally as "bad" in the playoff.
Sorry but that is some next level desperation argument cherry picking.
I mean you have Serral in your signature and I have Maru, aren't we biased?
On May 05 2024 22:57 swarminfestor wrote: One thing to ponder, did Serral has ever brought his team to win official pro-league tournament? (Not something like one day team event) Basilisk has participated WTL tournament three times so far with heavily favorite to win, but cannot do that under Serral as one of his member. I knew these are also other teammate responsibilities but still why Maru or Rogue can manhandle their team to win the trophy but not Serral?
What is there to ponder?
Serral's performance in WTL, like most of his performances, has been stellar. It was Maru's teammates who simply performed better than Serral's teammates in those leagues, relatively speaking. Trigger, while showing potential, is simply not at the level of an S-tier player, and Reynor's 50/50 statistics have become a literal meme.
For instance, Serral has literally been awared the Regular Season MVP in the Summer 2023 season. Later on in the playoffs, he all-killed the third-best team of WTL Code S, Abydos. On that particular day, he also continued to go on a 9-0 win streak, before losing a single ZvZ series against Solar. In fact, his wins on that day also included a 2-0 over Maru, as so often. If anyone's contribution to the Onsyde victory on the finals day stood out, it was Solar's, not Maru's, which is why Solar also got the Playoffs MVP, not Maru.
Besides, while not as prestigious, it is worth noting that Serral single-handedly brought Finland, out of all coutries, to win Nation Wars 2019 against, yes, South Korea in the finals.
Last season Maru record was better than Serral. Serral lost 4 games, 2 that cost his team points (against Wayne and Maru), 2 that covered by his teammates (against Dark and Firefly). And yes his teammate isnt as stable is Maru, although not by a huge margin imo, Serral still didnt "do his job" in those instances. And in the playoff, Serral simply got demoralized by Clem (so did Maru) so they were just equally as "bad" in the playoff.
Sorry but that is some next level desperation argument cherry picking.
I mean you have Serral in your signature and I have Maru, aren't we biased?
On May 05 2024 22:57 swarminfestor wrote: One thing to ponder, did Serral has ever brought his team to win official pro-league tournament? (Not something like one day team event) Basilisk has participated WTL tournament three times so far with heavily favorite to win, but cannot do that under Serral as one of his member. I knew these are also other teammate responsibilities but still why Maru or Rogue can manhandle their team to win the trophy but not Serral?
What is there to ponder?
Serral's performance in WTL, like most of his performances, has been stellar. It was Maru's teammates who simply performed better than Serral's teammates in those leagues, relatively speaking. Trigger, while showing potential, is simply not at the level of an S-tier player, and Reynor's 50/50 statistics have become a literal meme.
For instance, Serral has literally been awared the Regular Season MVP in the Summer 2023 season. Later on in the playoffs, he all-killed the third-best team of WTL Code S, Abydos. On that particular day, he also continued to go on a 9-0 win streak, before losing a single ZvZ series against Solar. In fact, his wins on that day also included a 2-0 over Maru, as so often. If anyone's contribution to the Onsyde victory on the finals day stood out, it was Solar's, not Maru's, which is why Solar also got the Playoffs MVP, not Maru.
Besides, while not as prestigious, it is worth noting that Serral single-handedly brought Finland, out of all coutries, to win Nation Wars 2019 against, yes, South Korea in the finals.
Last season Maru record was better than Serral. Serral lost 4 games, 2 that cost his team points (against Wayne and Maru), 2 that covered by his teammates (against Dark and Firefly). And yes his teammate isnt as stable is Maru, although not by a huge margin imo, Serral still didnt "do his job" in those instances. And in the playoff, Serral simply got demoralized by Clem (so did Maru) so they were just equally as "bad" in the playoff.
Sorry but that is some next level desperation argument cherry picking.
Well, at this level of GOAT debate, everything is about nitpicking, so yeah. If you saying that both Serral and Maru are miles ahead of the rest of players in team league, I am totally fine with that also.
You have to nitpick like this a lot more if you want to argue for Maru though
Bro the goat; Greatest Of All Time = The MOST SKILLED player of all time; considering Serral has consistently beat Maru and Maru has admitted this in interviews... your whole post is simple WRONG! Confirmed by Maru himself! If ur gonna put this much effort into something you might wanna look into your biases cuz the problem begins and ends there and this has very little to do with any goats
On May 09 2024 18:12 Furaijin wrote: this guy has LOST THE PLOT entirely! Holy damn!
Bro the goat; Greatest Of All Time = The MOST SKILLED player of all time; considering Serral has consistently beat Maru and Maru has admitted this in interviews... your whole post is simple WRONG! Confirmed by Maru himself! If ur gonna put this much effort into something you might wanna look into your biases cuz the problem begins and ends there and this has very little to do with any goats
Sorry what did Maru admit? I'd like to watch that interview.
On May 09 2024 18:12 Furaijin wrote: this guy has LOST THE PLOT entirely! Holy damn!
Bro the goat; Greatest Of All Time = The MOST SKILLED player of all time; considering Serral has consistently beat Maru and Maru has admitted this in interviews... your whole post is simple WRONG! Confirmed by Maru himself! If ur gonna put this much effort into something you might wanna look into your biases cuz the problem begins and ends there and this has very little to do with any goats
Most skilled of all time is such a boring goat definition. It changes every month and the end answer will most likely be some kid who's currently playing SC2 and will peak after the scene is truly dead without anyone knowing who he is.
Btw since many of the latest posts are about "talent" let me add to this topic.
I think most of us can agree that talent is an illusive, subjective concept. For me, it comes down to "Who took this game to new heights? Who did things I've never seen before? Who had the wow factor?".
I won't go into who is "most" talented, or whether Maru is as talented as Flash, but I do think it'll be difficult to argue in good faith that Maru didn't shine in these criteria. Maru showed us since his early years that Terran could be played like Zerg, that it can be an offensive race, that it's possible to mirco units like THAT, that you can claw back against top tier competitors when you're down 60 supply...and he has pretty consistently exceled through the darkest days for Terran.
Does Serral give me that feeling? No. Serral optimizes his builds and is a very balanced player, but he follows a script and he executes very well.
I know if you're a Serral fan you probably find his play the most exciting ever, so I'm merely presenting my case - I'm too old to think I can convince others with different opinion.
I'll leave you with one question: in soccer I've heard people call Messi the artist for his brilliance and Ronaldo the engineer for his efficiency (no offense to Ronaldo, as I'm actually a bigger fan of the latter) - between Maru and Serral, who would be the artist, and who the engineer?
Also to everyone who thinks Life is the most talented player ever and should've been the GOAT, here's a game between Maru and Life from 2015. I find it interesting not just because of the result, but also the pre-game predictions (I won't spoil it) www.youtube.com
On May 09 2024 18:12 Furaijin wrote: this guy has LOST THE PLOT entirely! Holy damn!
Bro the goat; Greatest Of All Time = The MOST SKILLED player of all time; considering Serral has consistently beat Maru and Maru has admitted this in interviews... your whole post is simple WRONG! Confirmed by Maru himself! If ur gonna put this much effort into something you might wanna look into your biases cuz the problem begins and ends there and this has very little to do with any goats
He consistently beat Maru from 2022-2024, before that they hardly faced each other. As you said yourself GOAT is greatest of ALL TIME so Serral being better than Maru for 2 years out of Marus 14 year career doesn't disprove anything.
EPT
