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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-22 21:40:12
November 22 2020 21:39 GMT
#81
On November 23 2020 06:25 TaKeTV wrote:
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On November 23 2020 06:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 23 2020 05:42 TaKeTV wrote:
On November 23 2020 05:40 Mizenhauer wrote:
On November 23 2020 05:33 TaKeTV wrote:
On November 23 2020 04:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 23 2020 03:32 TaKeTV wrote:
On November 23 2020 03:06 [Phantom] wrote:
On November 23 2020 02:47 TaKeTV wrote:
On November 23 2020 02:40 [Phantom] wrote:
Wow. Apparently TL is full of BM people that unpause. What a shame.

I agree completely OP, Maybe recude the number of pauses from 3 to 2 so there are no problems with BM.

I always ask the opoent if I can pause for a second, I never just pause and leave to do something. If they say yes, I pause. If they say no, I leave the game or go AFK while I do the other thing real quick. I don't know why people say pausing is BM and disrespectful. It's literally a feature of the game guys.

You want to know what is BM and disrespectful? I asked a guy if I could pause for a sec to help my mother do something (she has cancer and sometimes she needs some stuff that literally takes 30 seconds but she can't do herself). The guy said sure.

I go help my mother and literally 5 seconds later the guy removes the pause. When I come back literally less than a minute later I noticed and ask "why did you remove the pause" he says "you said 1 second, the second passed". Now THAT is being BM.

Fortunately i quicked his stupid ass and won that game anyway, and then we queued into each other again two games later and kicked his stupid ass again.

But yeah. I think if someone takes a while to come back you are in your right to unpause. I also have a 5 minute rule. Or when someone pauses withouth asking or giving reason I tell them "you need to tell me why you paused or I'm going to unpause now". And I've never had a problem. But like I mentioned previously, I've had problems with people BMing and unpausing, so I think pauses should last 30 seconds to 1 minute at least.


Strange take. You are searching for a game and agree to commit your time. The other person did too. Maybe that person is busy as hell and can only play 2 games per day cause they actually manage their time. Unpausing is probably not very nice but not allowing someone to pause should be absolutely not called bad mannered at all.


Is it really? The case I mention was a particularly egregious since he agreed to the pause only to get me AFK so he could unpause, so that's being as pathetic as a person can be.

But let's say I just said "PP, back in 30 secs" paused and left without waiting to see if the person agreed to the pause or not.

Does waiting for 30 seconds really ruin someone's day? Are people really so busy they can't spare 30 seconds-1minute? The answer is no. For 99% of the cases waiting 30 seconds to two minutes will make absolutely no difference in your life. However in the case of the person who paused those 30 seconds could be really important. People mention that when you search for a ladder game you should be commiting that time, and I agree, but sudden an unexpected things happen, and that's a fact. Most of them take very little time to resolve, so I don't see why it would be bad to pause.

The people unpausing are in my opinion being very BM because like I said, 30 seconds won't affect them at all, but IT WILL affect the game. They are unpausing to gain an advantage over their opponent, and 30 seconds to a minute being afk can have a big impact on the game. Let's be honest, the "respect my time" argument is invalid. It's not like you unpause and the game inmediately ends, you still need to kill your opponent, and chances are you won't be able to kill it inmediately, so you are still going to play from 3-5 minutes more depending on the state of the game and how long your opponent took to come back. So why unpause if you're still going to be in the game for a couple of minutes anyway? The only reason I can think of is becase you just want to gain an advantage over your opponent, which I find really sad.

I don't know about other people, but at least for me I get no joy beating an AFK opponent. When an enemy disconnects or has to leave I feel disappointed.

And hell, pauses are even good for me. I can take a moment to breathe, look really well at the minimap, see the supply, upgrades and think better what my next moves will be. So I really can't understand why anybody would say unpausing is not BM unless they just can't accept that what they are doing is BM. Though I agree if a person takes too long, you should be able to unpause. That's why I agree with OP's proposal. 30 seconds is a perfectly reasonable time.



For your example I agree. If he unpauses after agreeing, that is bad mannered. Not allowing the opponent to pause is not. I personally always did wait for the pause but I can absolutely understand people that don't. When I was still active I didn't open the door, didn't answer the phone etc. I played the game that I was looking to play. If someone unexpected so urgent came up then I quit the game.

If you can fix it within 30 seconds, chances are you can fix it after the game too. Lets just agree to disagree besides your named example.


It's clearly much more of a burden for someone to ensure that nothing will interrupt them during the course of a game, than to grant your opponent a short pause. Maybe you're privileged enough that it isn't an issue, but for many people it isn't.

Not allowing the opponent a 30 second pause is discourteous and inconsiderate precisely because it costs people so little to allow the pause. The only thing to be gained from unpausing is free ladder points--you're not even getting more Starcraft played.


Maybe you are too priviliged if you believe that someone should spend their time waiting for you.



And....................... we have reached the nadir of human decency.


As I said, I personally allow a pause and wait for someone. But if someone tells me its "bad mannered" that a person is not willing to spent their time waiting for him/her, sorry no. You are committing your time for a game as is he/she. If you see reason to make other people wait, thats on you.

Doesn't mean I do it, but I can absolutely understand if someone who has little time, doesn'T want to spend that time waiting for others.


As if you're actually 'saving' time by unpausing immediately--it might maximize your time spent grabbing ladder points, but you're certainly not spending more time playing Starcraft.


It doesn't matter how you see it. It does maximize your time playing Starcraft regardless of what you believe. See: I do not play Starcraft waiting for someone. I made my point clear. I personally would wait, I don't expect to do the same and call them bad manner for it.

- NarutO


Nonsense. You're also not playing Starcraft when you're queued up waiting for the next game, after killing the opponent when they weren't around. And this is just rationalizing--the internet equivalent of arguing that you're not being bad mannered by not holding the door open for three seconds for someone carrying heavy objects, since you don't owe them your time.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
November 22 2020 21:42 GMT
#82
No one is mentionning the state of the game in their decision process? Like are you seriously expecting me to pause during your canon rush or turtling game? If it's a good game, surely I can wait a bit to play the end of it.

Fact is OP seems to have a lot of opponents unpausing, is he turtling or cheesing?
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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-22 22:15:37
November 22 2020 22:09 GMT
#83
Pause could be a requestable thing, like when you press F10 P a popup appears somewhere non-disruptive on the opponent's UI. It could be >50% agreement in teamgames (between allies and opponents, excluding the pauser, for an odd number of voters). Before or after you issue the request, maybe you've entered PP or similar in the chat or given justification.
Unpausing could work similarly. A majority/unanimous ready check, with a timed automatic validation, perhaps.

EDIT: That way, nobody can pause-spam you if you just want to not waste your time, but it won't fully address the issue of ninja-upause.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
November 23 2020 00:05 GMT
#84
I have a hard time understanding how this thread could turn into this, I thought we would all pretty much agree.

No one is obliged by law or natural order to wait for anyones pause. Just because something is discourtous, which I agree it is, that does not mean you can force others to be polite to you.

If I walk up to someone in town and ask them a question, maybe they ignore me. Does that mean I should start a bill with city hall to make a law that forces everyone to answer questions because not doing so is rude?

Not answering strangers is impolite, unpausing in starcraft after your opponent asked a min is also impolite but you know what, Being impolite is within everyones own right, you don't know their train of thought at the time or how they are feeling.

As I wrote in my last post, courtousness should not be forced and is voluntary, just like writing gg wp after a match.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19256 Posts
November 23 2020 00:33 GMT
#85
Pause should be a researchable tier 3 town hall ability with a 5 minute cool down.
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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
November 23 2020 01:13 GMT
#86
On November 23 2020 09:33 BisuDagger wrote:
Pause should be a researchable tier 3 town hall ability with a 5 minute cool down.


lol, you definitely shouldn't be pausing the game at T1
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Alpharius
Profile Joined September 2018
Vietnam39 Posts
November 23 2020 05:14 GMT
#87
Waiting for pause is a matter of courtesy, and there's no need for any rules to regulate it. But then unpausing the game without waiting for 10-20 seconds is impolite, and there's nothing wrong calling that impolite.

This might or might not relate, but this remind me of "Fantasy GG timing", isn't it also a waste of time for the winner?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-23 09:36:53
November 23 2020 08:59 GMT
#88
On November 23 2020 06:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2020 06:25 TaKeTV wrote:
On November 23 2020 06:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 23 2020 05:42 TaKeTV wrote:
On November 23 2020 05:40 Mizenhauer wrote:
On November 23 2020 05:33 TaKeTV wrote:
On November 23 2020 04:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 23 2020 03:32 TaKeTV wrote:
On November 23 2020 03:06 [Phantom] wrote:
On November 23 2020 02:47 TaKeTV wrote:
[quote]

Strange take. You are searching for a game and agree to commit your time. The other person did too. Maybe that person is busy as hell and can only play 2 games per day cause they actually manage their time. Unpausing is probably not very nice but not allowing someone to pause should be absolutely not called bad mannered at all.


Is it really? The case I mention was a particularly egregious since he agreed to the pause only to get me AFK so he could unpause, so that's being as pathetic as a person can be.

But let's say I just said "PP, back in 30 secs" paused and left without waiting to see if the person agreed to the pause or not.

Does waiting for 30 seconds really ruin someone's day? Are people really so busy they can't spare 30 seconds-1minute? The answer is no. For 99% of the cases waiting 30 seconds to two minutes will make absolutely no difference in your life. However in the case of the person who paused those 30 seconds could be really important. People mention that when you search for a ladder game you should be commiting that time, and I agree, but sudden an unexpected things happen, and that's a fact. Most of them take very little time to resolve, so I don't see why it would be bad to pause.

The people unpausing are in my opinion being very BM because like I said, 30 seconds won't affect them at all, but IT WILL affect the game. They are unpausing to gain an advantage over their opponent, and 30 seconds to a minute being afk can have a big impact on the game. Let's be honest, the "respect my time" argument is invalid. It's not like you unpause and the game inmediately ends, you still need to kill your opponent, and chances are you won't be able to kill it inmediately, so you are still going to play from 3-5 minutes more depending on the state of the game and how long your opponent took to come back. So why unpause if you're still going to be in the game for a couple of minutes anyway? The only reason I can think of is becase you just want to gain an advantage over your opponent, which I find really sad.

I don't know about other people, but at least for me I get no joy beating an AFK opponent. When an enemy disconnects or has to leave I feel disappointed.

And hell, pauses are even good for me. I can take a moment to breathe, look really well at the minimap, see the supply, upgrades and think better what my next moves will be. So I really can't understand why anybody would say unpausing is not BM unless they just can't accept that what they are doing is BM. Though I agree if a person takes too long, you should be able to unpause. That's why I agree with OP's proposal. 30 seconds is a perfectly reasonable time.



For your example I agree. If he unpauses after agreeing, that is bad mannered. Not allowing the opponent to pause is not. I personally always did wait for the pause but I can absolutely understand people that don't. When I was still active I didn't open the door, didn't answer the phone etc. I played the game that I was looking to play. If someone unexpected so urgent came up then I quit the game.

If you can fix it within 30 seconds, chances are you can fix it after the game too. Lets just agree to disagree besides your named example.


It's clearly much more of a burden for someone to ensure that nothing will interrupt them during the course of a game, than to grant your opponent a short pause. Maybe you're privileged enough that it isn't an issue, but for many people it isn't.

Not allowing the opponent a 30 second pause is discourteous and inconsiderate precisely because it costs people so little to allow the pause. The only thing to be gained from unpausing is free ladder points--you're not even getting more Starcraft played.


Maybe you are too priviliged if you believe that someone should spend their time waiting for you.



And....................... we have reached the nadir of human decency.


As I said, I personally allow a pause and wait for someone. But if someone tells me its "bad mannered" that a person is not willing to spent their time waiting for him/her, sorry no. You are committing your time for a game as is he/she. If you see reason to make other people wait, thats on you.

Doesn't mean I do it, but I can absolutely understand if someone who has little time, doesn'T want to spend that time waiting for others.


As if you're actually 'saving' time by unpausing immediately--it might maximize your time spent grabbing ladder points, but you're certainly not spending more time playing Starcraft.


It doesn't matter how you see it. It does maximize your time playing Starcraft regardless of what you believe. See: I do not play Starcraft waiting for someone. I made my point clear. I personally would wait, I don't expect to do the same and call them bad manner for it.

- NarutO


Nonsense. You're also not playing Starcraft when you're queued up waiting for the next game, after killing the opponent when they weren't around. And this is just rationalizing--the internet equivalent of arguing that you're not being bad mannered by not holding the door open for three seconds for someone carrying heavy objects, since you don't owe them your time.

The waiting time in the queue is a thing you cannot avoid. Waiting for somebody because they didn't think about going to the toilet before they hit the play button is the other thing. Or they cannot ignore the phone. Or they need the drink right now!~ Either it can wait 20 minutes(this is not HotS/WoL) or you shouldn't have hit the play button. I'm not saying people should unpause, but calling it bad manners when many people are literally wasting their opponents time with their own inability to plan 20 minutes ahead(yes, you can call back once the game's over). Thankfully there are not that many people requiring a pause anyway.

e.g.:
On November 22 2020 09:32 Shuffleblade wrote:
I do exptect others to let me pause if I need to do something urgent, just because most players have time and are courtous. Sometimes I forgot my drink in the living room, other times I need to a fix an issue in the settings. + Show Spoiler +
Almost always my opponent lets me fix it 9/10. If the person doesn't either he is a douche or he doesn't have the time/patience to wait for me. Its not worth it for me to explore the reason he unpause, its his right, just take the disadvantage/loss and move on.

I clicked play it is my responsiblity that I can devote 30 minutes totally to starcraft 2, if I am waiting for an important call I needed to take I could either A) dont play or B) play knowing I will probably take a loss if I get the call.

If the opponent lets me pause he is being nice and respectful, this idea is similar to locking the game and refusing to let a player leave unless he GGs. Forced courteousness

Notice that in this thread we read that a forgotten drink is URGENT

On November 22 2020 23:39 Luolis wrote:
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On November 22 2020 23:18 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 22 2020 10:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 22 2020 07:55 deacon.frost wrote:
Sure, YOUR pause is importnat. But what about the other person who may not have the time for your pause? Have you thought about them as well? While your reason for a pause may be a good one, their unpausing may have a reason as well. For sure mine do.


A good reason to instantly unpause? I don't buy that--games take a variable amount of time anyhow, if you're immediately unpausing you're just being an asshole.

That being said not unpausing is still a courtesy that the opponent is extending to you, so I don't think it's something Blizzard should be enforcing.

1) The game literally just started? If you can't sort your shit before the game starts and you request a pause right after the game loaded, WTF? Get yourself together!
2) I love people who are not exactly polite to my silence and then request a pause and expect me to be polite. Seriously?
4) I love the pauses arfter my opponent lost 4 battles in a row, I know they have much weaker army, I am going for the killing blow and suddenly they request a pause? No way, I'm winning the game and moving on, not gonna waste my time. If you don't like it, leave the game, you should have left anyway 2 minutes ago when you bathed in the storms with your bio for the epic nexus kill.
5) I am not risking a 5min pause(yeah, I had those) when I am playing the last game of the day.
6) Oh, and the holy grail of all the superb pauses are people who pause before they attack me. Then they don't realize they play me again and pause the game again before the attack. Nope, not gonna happen. But hey, maybe they really really get calls in the similar time and situation in both games, what a coincidence!
7) If they're on my ignore list, insta unpause. Sorry not sorry, if you're on my ignore list you're either a cheeser or somebody who lowered they MMR by a lot. No pause for ya.

I usually don't mind waiting(although I unpause after 7 minutes, that's my limit, but sometimes I either don't have the nerves or the time(or both). 9 out of 10 times I'm gonna wait, pauses are not that often and they don't often meet my criterias for cancelling them.

Edit> specifically #1 pisses me off, so sometimes i just leave and move on. I want to play the game, not wait in the pause while looking at my 1st pylong warping in...

1: There usually is a reason to pause at the start of the game. Maybe a hotkey is wrong, maybe you spilled your drink when putting it down before starting to play, etc. The list is endless. This is probably the worst reason to unpause on your list.
2: I have no idea what this even means.
3: Where is 3?
5: Doesn't this just mean you prioritize your time over others, making your statement "Sure, YOUR pause is importnat. But what about the other person who may not have the time for your pause? Have you thought about them as well? While your reason for a pause may be a good one, their unpausing may have a reason as well. For sure mine do." hypocritical bs.
7: "I unpause because cheeser (((" Wow aren't you just a great person :DD

1) I don't care. Sort it before the game. There's a reason this is a strike in the Code S
2) I don't chat. If you write me gl, hf I don't reply(doesn't apply to team games). Usually(depends on how pissed I am, but I would say 96,19486195 % of the 1v1 I don't reply). Sometimes this does bring the best in my opponend As they are so well mannered the continuation of the chat is as well! Imagine something like this - gl, hf. GL HF!!! What's wrong with you? Can't you read? Are you gay? Faggot... and then they request a pause Uh... I'm not exactly expert on manners, but if you insult me and then request a favor from me, aren't you a little bit... weird?
2,5) Screw 3
5) I don't think so. The sooner the game is over the sooner you can get your drink from the living room Most of the pauses are not urgent per se and are happening just because the other person cannot see 5 minutes ahead. Also pause makes the game longer than it should be while not playing the game, which wastes the time. So nope, it's not.
7) Unpause because ignore list. We had a shouting match either initiated by you or by me. But we had one and I'm not gonna remove you from the ignore list because I use it to know what to expect from people Sorry not sorry. (fun fact - not every cheeser ends on my ignore list, the capacity isn't that big )

42) But most importantly, the pause doesn't happen that often, so this whole discussion is a little bit pointless. In my last 500 games I had a pause maybe 10 times? (0 initiated by me, I leave when I need a pause because I need more than 2 minutes as I can plan ahead and my phone calls aren't super mega uber urgent)
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MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
November 23 2020 10:18 GMT
#89
I have managed to play the game without pausing once for 10 years. If something important comes up I just GG and leave without wasting my opponents time.

This thread has inspired me to change how I handle people that pauses. From now on when someone pauses I will just randomly unpause after 10-15 seconds without saying anything.

I suggest other people do the same. This is the best soloution to handle people that pauses, how else will they learn?
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-23 10:55:56
November 23 2020 10:55 GMT
#90
lol bruh, if something happens and is more important than the game, why getting upset if you lose it? why would some1 else suffer from your misfortune too? if you can't focus 10 minutes on a game, it is not ur opponent's problem.
edit: this being said, I think it is perfectly fine how it is right now. if he wants to wait ok, if he doesn't it should be ok too.
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insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-23 11:19:47
November 23 2020 11:19 GMT
#91
It's actually would be much more fair if you couldn't even pause w/o other player accepting it. It should be the following: when someone hits pause button, the other player recieves a yes/no dialog option, so if he wants he can actually pause the game. That's what they call courtesy.
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7114 Posts
November 23 2020 11:22 GMT
#92
On November 23 2020 19:18 MockHamill wrote:
I have managed to play the game without pausing once for 10 years. If something important comes up I just GG and leave without wasting my opponents time.

This thread has inspired me to change how I handle people that pauses. From now on when someone pauses I will just randomly unpause after 10-15 seconds without saying anything.

I suggest other people do the same. This is the best soloution to handle people that pauses, how else will they learn?

Well atleast you are giving evidence for my hypothesis "people who unpause are bad people". )
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
November 23 2020 12:20 GMT
#93
On November 23 2020 17:59 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2020 09:32 Shuffleblade wrote:
I do exptect others to let me pause if I need to do something urgent, just because most players have time and are courtous. Sometimes I forgot my drink in the living room, other times I need to a fix an issue in the settings. + Show Spoiler +
Almost always my opponent lets me fix it 9/10. If the person doesn't either he is a douche or he doesn't have the time/patience to wait for me. Its not worth it for me to explore the reason he unpause, its his right, just take the disadvantage/loss and move on.

I clicked play it is my responsiblity that I can devote 30 minutes totally to starcraft 2, if I am waiting for an important call I needed to take I could either A) dont play or B) play knowing I will probably take a loss if I get the call.

If the opponent lets me pause he is being nice and respectful, this idea is similar to locking the game and refusing to let a player leave unless he GGs. Forced courteousness

Notice that in this thread we read that a forgotten drink is URGENT

Yes, urgent for my enjoyment of the game could be getting a drink, hell it could be getting the pillow for my back. If my opponent will not grant me the the thirty seconds I need to enjoy the game fully sometime I just leave and thats fine. Its like once every 50ish games I need a paus tops, because I usually make sure to get everything ready, but sometimes I make a mistake. When that happens I hope my opponent lets me fix it, even if it is just getting my drink.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19256 Posts
November 23 2020 13:43 GMT
#94
Sometimes I pause and say I need to go to the bathroom. I wait for my opponent to impatiently unpause and start macro-ing because they think I'm afk. But really I'm preparing my all-in.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 23 2020 14:19 GMT
#95
On November 23 2020 20:22 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2020 19:18 MockHamill wrote:
I have managed to play the game without pausing once for 10 years. If something important comes up I just GG and leave without wasting my opponents time.

This thread has inspired me to change how I handle people that pauses. From now on when someone pauses I will just randomly unpause after 10-15 seconds without saying anything.

I suggest other people do the same. This is the best soloution to handle people that pauses, how else will they learn?

Well atleast you are giving evidence for my hypothesis "people who unpause are bad people". )

What is the threshold for unpausing where bad becomes good? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? 30 minutes? Never?

And I am bad, but at least I don't try to hide it like all the well mannered players who then write obscenities at me before they quit the game.
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7114 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-23 14:25:41
November 23 2020 14:24 GMT
#96
On November 23 2020 23:19 deacon.frost wrote:
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On November 23 2020 20:22 Luolis wrote:
On November 23 2020 19:18 MockHamill wrote:
I have managed to play the game without pausing once for 10 years. If something important comes up I just GG and leave without wasting my opponents time.

This thread has inspired me to change how I handle people that pauses. From now on when someone pauses I will just randomly unpause after 10-15 seconds without saying anything.

I suggest other people do the same. This is the best soloution to handle people that pauses, how else will they learn?

Well atleast you are giving evidence for my hypothesis "people who unpause are bad people". )

What is the threshold for unpausing where bad becomes good? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? 30 minutes? Never?

And I am bad, but at least I don't try to hide it like all the well mannered players who then write obscenities at me before they quit the game.

If you dont get any information when you ask "sup?" or something similar, i'd wait like a few minutes and start being like "yo i'm gonna unpause soon if i dont get any info" and if they dont answer that either, unpause with a warning. I believe that is pretty acceptable.

edit: and I don't even pretend to be a well mannered player, but i still have the decency to wait for someone if they pause. And yes, i would call you an asshole if you unpaused vs me if i asked for the pause :')
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25599 Posts
November 23 2020 14:40 GMT
#97
On November 23 2020 22:43 BisuDagger wrote:
Sometimes I pause and say I need to go to the bathroom. I wait for my opponent to impatiently unpause and start macro-ing because they think I'm afk. But really I'm preparing my all-in.

I love this haha.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25599 Posts
November 23 2020 14:55 GMT
#98
On November 23 2020 23:19 deacon.frost wrote:
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On November 23 2020 20:22 Luolis wrote:
On November 23 2020 19:18 MockHamill wrote:
I have managed to play the game without pausing once for 10 years. If something important comes up I just GG and leave without wasting my opponents time.

This thread has inspired me to change how I handle people that pauses. From now on when someone pauses I will just randomly unpause after 10-15 seconds without saying anything.

I suggest other people do the same. This is the best soloution to handle people that pauses, how else will they learn?

Well atleast you are giving evidence for my hypothesis "people who unpause are bad people". )

What is the threshold for unpausing where bad becomes good? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? 30 minutes? Never?

And I am bad, but at least I don't try to hide it like all the well mannered players who then write obscenities at me before they quit the game.

I thought I’d already solved the theoretical optimal etiquette up the thread

A pause (singular) of 1-2 minutes, with a request and estimate of a wait of 1-2 minutes should be granted as base level etiquette, a la gging or glhf. Basically because that time covers most eventualities of unexpected but non-serious events. Be it a phone call, call of nature, someone ringing your doorbell or w/e.

Anything beyond that is up to the generosity of the pause recipient, and if they’re not up for a 5+ minute pause they can make it known then. I wouldn’t consider it bad etiquette to not allow long pauses.

Other instances of bad etiquette are the pauser unpausing without warning, which should see you booted into a least the 3rd level of hell.

For ladder specifically I’d like to see the pause function changed tbh, others have mentioned it.

You request a pause and a small, unintrusive tool tip appears for your opponent to grant it. The pause maximum is 2 minutes, but can be extended if your opponent agrees. If you go to unpause the same thing happens, then it does the countdown thing you get at the start of the game, so both players have a chance to get back into the flow and assessing the game state.

Pausing does really fuck up my rhythm in a game, and you do get times where people pause in the middle of an intense battle just to fuck with you, I’d absolutely prefer the system be changed to prevent that kind of shithouse behaviour.

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SpaceBoar
Profile Joined November 2019
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-23 15:35:24
November 23 2020 15:10 GMT
#99
On November 23 2020 09:33 BisuDagger wrote:
Pause should be a researchable tier 3 town hall ability with a 5 minute cool down.


20 balance patches later:

- Pause ability renamed to Timeflow Disrupter
- Timeflow Disrupter ability is now available from the beginning of the game.
- Timeflow Disrupter cooldown increased from 5 minutes to 10 minutes.
- Timeflow Disrupter lasts for minimum 30 seconds during which it cannot be cancelled by the opponent.
- Added "Improved Timeflow Disrupter" upgrade to Evolution Chamber/Forge/Engineering Bay. The upgrade reduces the cooldown of Timeflow Disrupter to 5 minutes and increases the minimum pause time to 60 seconds.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19256 Posts
November 23 2020 15:42 GMT
#100
On November 24 2020 00:10 SpaceBoar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2020 09:33 BisuDagger wrote:
Pause should be a researchable tier 3 town hall ability with a 5 minute cool down.


20 balance patches later:

- Pause ability renamed to Timeflow Disrupter
- Timeflow Disrupter ability is now available from the beginning of the game.
- Timeflow Disrupter cooldown increased from 5 minutes to 10 minutes.
- Timeflow Disrupter lasts for minimum 30 seconds during which it cannot be cancelled by the opponent.
- Added "Improved Timeflow Disrupter" upgrade to Evolution Chamber/Forge/Engineering Bay. The upgrade reduces the cooldown of Timeflow Disrupter to 5 minutes and increases the minimum pause time to 60 seconds.

21 patches later

*upgrade now sets the game speed to slowest for one minute
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