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On June 29 2020 21:58 FuzzyJAM wrote:
I'd say if a lot of people say "Yes, RedEye is horrible to work with" then the chances are that they're a generally horrible person to work with. That's not just a personal beef, that's one individual being the epicentre of unhappiness. Given that he's obviously a locus of power in eSports (hah) the fact that he's an angry and vindictive person is particularly harmful for the scene.
The response to threaten Banks should he make anything public is basically a perfect reason for why this needs to be made public.
The worst part is the family abuse cause. Hitting your wheelchair bound wife is enough to be considered human trash. Like what happened with Tobiwan, having abusers in the cast\host is a shame and firing them is the right thing to do.
These are only alleged accuses, that Banks said will be backed by journalists soon, so we still need time to wait how the things will evolve.
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On June 29 2020 21:38 Z3nith wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2020 21:07 [F_]aths wrote:
That Avilo stuff is dark.
I am also disappointed by Rapid's behavior, if he has fantasies in those directions I think it is abuse of status to voice them in that way. I still see degrees here. Rapid harassed some with his sexual fixation. Bad for the targets, also embarrassing for him. Avilo massively stalked and pressured someone. Seems much worse, and a lot of evidence was presented.
The JP stuff, I read his views on it and find it manipulating. He admits some general misbehavior but does not really reflect on his impact, at least that is how I read it. He tries to save face. I believe both sides in this story tell a subjective truth, but am still disappointed by JP's handling: Telling us how important he is.
Redeye's views on the accusations against himself are also strange in my opinion. Where I would like to have him be clear, he is not. He did not regain my trust. In order to get there where he is, maybe it is an advantage to not always be nice. I also don't think that he would act intentionally egoistic. But I am not sure anymore if he is the right man in the right place.
I think the problem with the Redeye stuff is that the accusation itself wasn't particularly coherent from what I read of it. The google doc that the accuser wrote was very vague and confusing to follow while he's since made accusations that Redeye abused his wife and kids which wasn't in the original statement. I encourage people to draw their own conclusions and correct me if I'm wrong, however, it seems a lot more like a disgruntled former employee going after a boss he didn't like.
Originally I had a similar feeling. And yes, if the accuser only presents one side, even from multiple sources, one does not get a balanced view. However in Redeye's response I saw him using his status. He mentioned legal council. Maybe I interpret too much into that but to me it came off as subtle demonstration of power. And in the reply Redeye posted, he offered that both parties heal. How generous! (And he is a victim, too!)
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On June 26 2020 12:10 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Eleine's story of attempted rape by a 2011 era SC2 pro seems not a lot talked about in here for some reason. A pro who had a team jacket and went to hotel after party, which makes me think this was one of the bigger name teams? And a coach who was told about it and brushed it aside?
Really awful.
I assume this particular case hasn't been talked about much because no names where mentioned but like Fueled I think this one deserves more attention. For one because of how the coach handled the very serious accusation which so clearly demonstrates why this problem of abuse is so persistent. The (an) other would be exactly the no names part. I respect the choice of the accuser to not do so and I would never want to make her feel pressured to change her mind on this.
But frankly, I want to know if the accused is no longer a danger to others. I did a lot of stupid stuff when I was a kid, most if not all of us did, and while I wouldn't say everything I do now is sensible and well though out I think that I grew out of most of the worst of the idiocy. The thing is; I have a hard time imagining doing what Eleine has described been done to her and growing out of that kind of behavior. I really hope, for everyone involved, including the accused, that he in fact did grow out of it and no longer poses a threat to anyone around him.
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Can someone explain to me as I've seen it all over twitter too, why are we calling victims of sexual harassment "survivors" I don't understand it, is it strictly because of people who commit suicide following the harassment?
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On June 30 2020 00:19 ROOTFayth wrote:
Can someone explain to me as I've seen it all over twitter too, why are we calling victims of sexual harassment "survivors" I don't understand it, is it strictly because of people who commit suicide following the harassment?
As far as I’m aware some people prefer the term as they don’t like the connotations of the word victim in this context. I believe it’s a conscious reframing to deal with both the mental consequences as well as outsider perception but I’m sure other TLers have a more accurate explanation.
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Redeye is stepping away from esports
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That's probably for the best... how have his children been targeted?
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On June 30 2020 01:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
That's probably for the best... how have his children been targeted?
He won a court case against his wife that involved his kids. I believe it was about child abuse.
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On June 30 2020 01:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
That's probably for the best... how have his children been targeted?
Banks mentioned a domestic abuse case
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On June 30 2020 01:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
That's probably for the best... how have his children been targeted?
Banks twitted about a cause where he was accused by his wife of abuses on her and their children. He said that journalists are studying the case. Imo, if he's so sure about innocence, I don't understand his retreatment from the scene.
I would defend with al my forces from all these big lies. These are serious accusations that can mark the life of a person forever
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I never particulary liked RedEye and started to really dislike him when he refused to give microphone to Stephano for his goodbye speach. I guess my gut feeling was correct all along.
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I must say I don’t like Bank’s approach here at all.
From what he’s said unless I’m missing some things he’s got journalists that can corroborate what he’s saying that will feature in some future post. But he’s put out some vague stuff with that proviso of future detail, as well as Redeye’s historic court case.
In the case of Rapid’s accusers those are personal experiences of interactions that occurred on a one on one basis and claims of corroboration can’t be made by the nature of those interactions, nor would that be possible.
Am I missing pieces of the puzzle here and my interpretation is totally wrong?
If one has the proof why wouldn’t you wait a few days and collate it and then throw it into public view?
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He did, cant recall out top of my head which exactly.
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Thanks for the elaboration on the children issue  I wasn't sure if he was implying that gamers with pitchforks started belittling his kids or reaching out to them, or something other than the inclusion of that domestic abuse case.
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He did punch someone at a tourny, who has come out about the experience. (Punched them twice).
Was in 2015 at an event worked at by gfinity.
The banks stuff is a little... difficult to work through. Really needed an editor.
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that is big.
He again did not admit anything specific which would be serious, but overall he takes some responsibility. Even if (that is pure speculation) he might was actually shown the door by others, there were consequences.
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That Redeye Stuff feels different to me...how Banks is going at it feels like a Personal Vendetta. And I cant find Accounts after 2015/16? Two topics being mixed. Sad all this...
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On June 30 2020 02:28 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2020 02:26 [F_]aths wrote:that is big. He again did not admit anything specific which would be serious, but overall he takes some responsibility. Even if (that is pure speculation) he might was actually shown the door by others, there were consequences. I was thinking the same thing, it might be a quit or your fired kind of thing and a way for him and the company to save a bit of face. It sounds like him being out of the scene is a benefit and hopefully he gets his stuff sorted.
If you look at the responses on Redeye's retirement tweet it looks like there are a few professionals (i.e. Jason Lake the CEO of Complexity) who only got wind of it when he tweeted it out. It's hard to say at the moment whether it was a jump before he was pushed situation.
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