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Northern Ireland26411 Posts
On December 09 2019 22:04 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2019 04:25 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 03:54 deacon.frost wrote:
I'm more surprised this isn't covered by some random nonsense from the EU, as it is trying to cover almost everything I would have expect them to cover international working agreements. I’d imagine it is covered by something, but being in the right and it being worth your while to pursue it and employ legal expertise aren’t always going to be in alignment. Being in the right would mean MKers would have to pay for the fees, question is if they have the money to pay the fees. Well, that's my naive view and a thing I would be expecting to be covered by the EU law. Edit> But I understand that the initial costs are probably so much that even MKers paying for it later would be way too much for Nerchio and going to the court just out of a principle isn't probably what he's used to do(and if he doesn't have the money he can't anyway  )
Basically what your edit says aye.
Since cuts to legal aid in the UK there’s been a decline in fathers challenging custody arrangements, plus settling in employment disputes rather than sticking with a legal course of action etc.
Either a player’s union or my preferred solution in this case, Blizzard regulating and arbitrating disputes with teams who play in their competitions would mitigate these issues considerably.
I’ve heard rumblings of the need for a player’s union for a very, very long time and it’s featured on many a StarCraft talk show and pushed by notable figures in the scene. Unfortunately it’s still not happened and I have to wonder why that is.
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Germany3367 Posts
The MKERS company has acknowledged the public statements released last week by Mr. Arthur Bloch and has instructed its lawyers to clarify what happened by verifying any contractual shortfalls or damage to the image of the company itself or its sponsors.
Unfortunately, once again we notice the lack of professionalism from the esport sector. We remind everyone that in the case of receivables due, the correct procedure is not the public defamation of the debtor but the regular performance of the credit recovery procedures.
We hope to start to building a more professional relationship, where chats and communities are used solely to entertain and help the young pro players improve not only their gaming skills, but also and especially, the correct handling of employment legal issues that concern them.
Organizations such as Mkers are investing heavily in growing in this sector and it is no longer acceptable to deal with those who expect payments without issuing receipts / invoices, or aren’t even able to issue them or, even worse, with those who threaten to publish their dissent on the company’s social networks.
During the past three years, we, as well as others, have experienced all kinds of situations, like people not settling their share of a prize pool or not paying our credits promptly. We have never considered defaming them on social media, it wouldn't have been professional. While we wait for better regulations, we think it is important to start behaving accordingly.
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On December 09 2019 22:50 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2019 22:04 deacon.frost wrote:On December 09 2019 04:25 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 03:54 deacon.frost wrote:
I'm more surprised this isn't covered by some random nonsense from the EU, as it is trying to cover almost everything I would have expect them to cover international working agreements. I’d imagine it is covered by something, but being in the right and it being worth your while to pursue it and employ legal expertise aren’t always going to be in alignment. Being in the right would mean MKers would have to pay for the fees, question is if they have the money to pay the fees. Well, that's my naive view and a thing I would be expecting to be covered by the EU law. Edit> But I understand that the initial costs are probably so much that even MKers paying for it later would be way too much for Nerchio and going to the court just out of a principle isn't probably what he's used to do(and if he doesn't have the money he can't anyway ) Basically what your edit says aye. Since cuts to legal aid in the UK there’s been a decline in fathers challenging custody arrangements, plus settling in employment disputes rather than sticking with a legal course of action etc. Either a player’s union or my preferred solution in this case, Blizzard regulating and arbitrating disputes with teams who play in their competitions would mitigate these issues considerably. I’ve heard rumblings of the need for a player’s union for a very, very long time and it’s featured on many a StarCraft talk show and pushed by notable figures in the scene. Unfortunately it’s still not happened and I have to wonder why that is.
Who pays for a players union? If it is funded by the players themselves, then since these sort of things happen with such regularity, with such low player salaries, those players will become bankrupt themselves as the financial base for a union simply doesn't exist, unlike say a normal union which not only have a large finincail base, but is likely backed by a single country legal framework. Unlike the normal concepts of insurance, those who are regularily paid have no incentive to pay into a fund, and those who aren't paid have no money to pay into. Those "notable figures" never take the first step of creating a collective fund they pay into themselves. Easy to talk, harder to organise.
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Northern Ireland26411 Posts
On December 10 2019 00:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2019 22:50 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 22:04 deacon.frost wrote:On December 09 2019 04:25 Wombat_NI wrote:On December 09 2019 03:54 deacon.frost wrote:
I'm more surprised this isn't covered by some random nonsense from the EU, as it is trying to cover almost everything I would have expect them to cover international working agreements. I’d imagine it is covered by something, but being in the right and it being worth your while to pursue it and employ legal expertise aren’t always going to be in alignment. Being in the right would mean MKers would have to pay for the fees, question is if they have the money to pay the fees. Well, that's my naive view and a thing I would be expecting to be covered by the EU law. Edit> But I understand that the initial costs are probably so much that even MKers paying for it later would be way too much for Nerchio and going to the court just out of a principle isn't probably what he's used to do(and if he doesn't have the money he can't anyway ) Basically what your edit says aye. Since cuts to legal aid in the UK there’s been a decline in fathers challenging custody arrangements, plus settling in employment disputes rather than sticking with a legal course of action etc. Either a player’s union or my preferred solution in this case, Blizzard regulating and arbitrating disputes with teams who play in their competitions would mitigate these issues considerably. I’ve heard rumblings of the need for a player’s union for a very, very long time and it’s featured on many a StarCraft talk show and pushed by notable figures in the scene. Unfortunately it’s still not happened and I have to wonder why that is. Who pays for a players union? If it is funded by the players themselves, then since these sort of things happen with such regularity, with such low player salaries, those players will become bankrupt themselves as the financial base for a union simply doesn't exist, unlike say a normal union which not only have a large finincail base, but is likely backed by a single country legal framework. Unlike the normal concepts of insurance, those who are regularily paid have no incentive to pay into a fund, and those who aren't paid have no money to pay into. Those "notable figures" never take the first step of creating a collective fund they pay into themselves. Easy to talk, harder to organise.
Indeed, basically all of that is either expansion of my inner thoughts on the matter, or stuff I’ve already stated in the thread.
100% agreed, such a union would be nice to have but it doesn’t materialise from thin air. It’s not an industry whose workers by and large make their income from salaries, so getting dues is that much more complicated.
It also requires solidarity amongst such folks, and I don’t think that exists amongst progamers on a global basis.
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Canada8989 Posts
On December 10 2019 00:38 TheOneAboveU wrote:https://twitter.com/mkersofficial/status/1204060536079626240Show nested quote +The MKERS company has acknowledged the public statements released last week by Mr. Arthur Bloch and has instructed its lawyers to clarify what happened by verifying any contractual shortfalls or damage to the image of the company itself or its sponsors.
Unfortunately, once again we notice the lack of professionalism from the esport sector. We remind everyone that in the case of receivables due, the correct procedure is not the public defamation of the debtor but the regular performance of the credit recovery procedures.
We hope to start to building a more professional relationship, where chats and communities are used solely to entertain and help the young pro players improve not only their gaming skills, but also and especially, the correct handling of employment legal issues that concern them.
Organizations such as Mkers are investing heavily in growing in this sector and it is no longer acceptable to deal with those who expect payments without issuing receipts / invoices, or aren’t even able to issue them or, even worse, with those who threaten to publish their dissent on the company’s social networks.
During the past three years, we, as well as others, have experienced all kinds of situations, like people not settling their share of a prize pool or not paying our credits promptly. We have never considered defaming them on social media, it wouldn't have been professional. While we wait for better regulations, we think it is important to start behaving accordingly.
What the hell is that....
It read like a twitch chat copy pasta.
Anyway I guess if we gave them the benefit of the doubt it may just be a issue of miss communication/lack of clear procedure.
But still that pr guy, what happen to "we ackowledge Nerchio tweet and are looking into it with our legal team to shade light into the situation"
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i was waiting for Mkers response before commenting on the subject and finally it's out.
unfortunetly they failed to adress almost all of the claims made by nerchio.
all they did was to imply that they did not receive the proper receipts, and complain about nerchio going public.
at the very least, not claiming they are innocent of any contract breaches raise some suspicion.
also, the fact that Mkers didn't deny nerchio's claim about their lack of communication with him shows he was right to go public.
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Germany23576 Posts
Mkers just spontaneously combusted, they are done.
Worst possibly reply, but a good insight into what a clown show they are running.
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Here's a quick summary of Mkers response: Snitches get stitches.
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On December 10 2019 00:38 TheOneAboveU wrote:https://twitter.com/mkersofficial/status/1204060536079626240Show nested quote +The MKERS company has acknowledged the public statements released last week by Mr. Arthur Bloch and has instructed its lawyers to clarify what happened by verifying any contractual shortfalls or damage to the image of the company itself or its sponsors.
Unfortunately, once again we notice the lack of professionalism from the esport sector. We remind everyone that in the case of receivables due, the correct procedure is not the public defamation of the debtor but the regular performance of the credit recovery procedures.
We hope to start to building a more professional relationship, where chats and communities are used solely to entertain and help the young pro players improve not only their gaming skills, but also and especially, the correct handling of employment legal issues that concern them.
Organizations such as Mkers are investing heavily in growing in this sector and it is no longer acceptable to deal with those who expect payments without issuing receipts / invoices, or aren’t even able to issue them or, even worse, with those who threaten to publish their dissent on the company’s social networks.
During the past three years, we, as well as others, have experienced all kinds of situations, like people not settling their share of a prize pool or not paying our credits promptly. We have never considered defaming them on social media, it wouldn't have been professional. While we wait for better regulations, we think it is important to start behaving accordingly.
Someone translate it to me please.
Oh, someone did on twitter:![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELW7cB1XkAIyjbX.png:large)
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On December 10 2019 01:43 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 00:38 TheOneAboveU wrote:https://twitter.com/mkersofficial/status/1204060536079626240The MKERS company has acknowledged the public statements released last week by Mr. Arthur Bloch and has instructed its lawyers to clarify what happened by verifying any contractual shortfalls or damage to the image of the company itself or its sponsors.
Unfortunately, once again we notice the lack of professionalism from the esport sector. We remind everyone that in the case of receivables due, the correct procedure is not the public defamation of the debtor but the regular performance of the credit recovery procedures.
We hope to start to building a more professional relationship, where chats and communities are used solely to entertain and help the young pro players improve not only their gaming skills, but also and especially, the correct handling of employment legal issues that concern them.
Organizations such as Mkers are investing heavily in growing in this sector and it is no longer acceptable to deal with those who expect payments without issuing receipts / invoices, or aren’t even able to issue them or, even worse, with those who threaten to publish their dissent on the company’s social networks.
During the past three years, we, as well as others, have experienced all kinds of situations, like people not settling their share of a prize pool or not paying our credits promptly. We have never considered defaming them on social media, it wouldn't have been professional. While we wait for better regulations, we think it is important to start behaving accordingly. Someone translate it to me please. Oh, someone did on twitter:
Awesome.
Courage mister Nerchio, Mkers' answer couldn't have been more dubious...
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dear lord, that's terrible response no matter how you look at it.
they didn't clarify ANY of the issues Nerchio pointed out
they vaguely tried to shift blame on players and how the pro scene is bad(you bad players, complaining about not being paid - HOW DARE YOU)
they spewed some PR/legal nonsense that in fact says absolutely nothing
if there were any doubts about Nerchio's claims being true those doubts are now gone
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What a disgusting response from Mkers. After reading this I can’t help the impression that they have no respect whatsoever for the players and the scene. If it was a company I worked for as a professional, a red light would be flashing hard right now.
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Bisutopia19316 Posts
That was a super patronizing tweet. The best thing to say is (if anything at all) "While we disagree with how Arthur has chosen to bring this to the public, we are doing our best to resolve this." Instead they just attack Nerchio's behavior instead of understanding that the circumstances and tensions between them and him have led to this, and that they need to work harder to make sure players they sponsor don't feel pressured into making statements like this. I also thought the mentioning of lawyers sounded kind of threatening which makes me also feel bad for Nerchio. I understand both sides have their issues with what has happened, but as the individual it's hard not to feel outnumbered when trying to fight for what you believe is right.
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
On December 10 2019 01:34 Musicus wrote:
Mkers just spontaneously combusted, they are done.
Worst possibly reply, but a good insight into what a clown show they are running.
Yep LOL
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Sanctimonious unprofessional behavior aside, if MKERS actually had lawyers, they'd have told them not to issue that statement.
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Yeah what the hell kind of response is that? They're talking about professional behavior while defaulting on 2 months worth of payments, and from what we can see, ceasing communication with the guy that they owe money to?
Fucking patronizing assholes
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Northern Ireland26411 Posts
I’m not sure I could have penned a worse response if that had been my express aim, what were they thinking with that?
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On December 10 2019 03:31 Wombat_NI wrote:
I’m not sure I could have penned a worse response if that had been my express aim, what were they thinking with that?
I guess the whole shop is run by some immature kids that try too hard to look "professional". Can't really find a better explanation of this situation.
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LOL. I hope I'm not the only one laughing at Mkers' response. They addressed nothing but instead of blah blah blah... Are they really dumb or they are running some even more elaborated scam?
I think I'm gonna tag their sponsors on that thread to see what they think. What a joke.
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Good Lord, I would encourage everyone to leave Mkers asap... what a sinking ship.
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