EPTI guess PR- suicide is the right way to call it.
Mkers: Payment Withhold Dispute - Page 7
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Official response from Mkers: https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27509623 The resolution: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/553531-mkers-payment-withhold-dispute?page=11#205 Mkers’ response to the resolution: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/553531-mkers-payment-withhold-dispute?page=11#216 | ||
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am0k
2 Posts
I guess PR- suicide is the right way to call it. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19379 Posts
If the agreement was they would pay for all expenses as long as they were agreed upon prior to the tournament and Nerchio then goes, "well I want to play in this so I am just going to pay now and make them pay for it after I am done", doesn't that give them the legal right to do nothing. If they didn't agree to pay it, then there's nothing binding here. It is then a case of really shitty sponsors that don't have their act together enough to send players to important tournaments. As soon as they didn't pay for even a single tournament or agree ahead of time, then Nerchio needed to say the he was forced to find new sponsors. Unfortunately, he is a nice guy and got taken advantage of. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27280 Posts
On December 10 2019 08:37 BisuDagger wrote: My devil's advocate question: If the agreement was they would pay for all expenses as long as they were agreed upon prior to the tournament and Nerchio then goes, "well I want to play in this so I am just going to pay now and make them pay for it after I am done", doesn't that give them the legal right to do nothing. If they didn't agree to pay it, then there's nothing binding here. It is then a case of really shitty sponsors that don't have their act together enough to send players to important tournaments. As soon as they didn't pay for even a single tournament or agree ahead of time, then Nerchio needed to say the he was forced to find new sponsors. Unfortunately, he is a nice guy and got taken advantage of. If. I’m not really any kind of expert in expenses-related work personally but from friends in industries where that’s how they work it usually goes. ‘I’m going to cover this story, will you cover my expenses?’ in the case of a journalist who brings the project up with whoever’s paying them, and in the opposite direction where the ‘creative’ is approached by someone for work ‘We want you to photograph this gig for us’ and then you settle on what your expenses are and work out something mutually reasonable. But yes there is a difference in interpretation depending on what the contracts stipulated and how things went down. At this point, given Nerchio’s good standing, plus no reports of his having problems with previous points, and Mkers hamfisted response I’m struggling to even play devil’s advocate. However, if they had a contractual agreement that basically constituted Nerchio having to do things in a certain fashion, then maybe legally they have a case. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
What where they thinking. | ||
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outscar
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
Dude, this is a super fucked up response. Veiled threats. Veiled accusations. Zero addressing the claims made against them. It's also a bit internally inconsistent. It's like, "Well, let's just say, in response to Nerchio, that some players are really unprofessional, don't give us invoices or recepits, may not have lived up to their contractual obligations, and may have damaged the company's image. But posting about that stuff publicly would be unprofessional. Wink, wink. Also, we never considered publicly spreading false information about players in order to meet the definition of defamation. Just FYI. It's unrelated; we just thought you should know." Also, in a community like SC2, now a lot of the fanbase is going to know all about this shit and have a negative image of these guys--because of their own statements. They've just shot themselves in the foot. Don't complain about someone else messing with the company image if this is the image the company itself projects, it looks ridiculous. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On December 10 2019 12:02 neutralrobot wrote: Dude, this is a super fucked up response. Veiled threats. Veiled accusations. Zero addressing the claims made against them. It's also a bit internally inconsistent. It's like, "Well, let's just say, in response to Nerchio, that some players are really unprofessional, don't give us invoices or recepits, may not have lived up to their contractual obligations, and may have damaged the company's image. But posting about that stuff publicly would be unprofessional. Wink, wink. Also, we never considered publicly spreading false information about players in order to meet the definition of defamation. Just FYI. It's unrelated; we just thought you should know." Also, in a community like SC2, now a lot of the fanbase is going to know all about this shit and have a negative image of these guys--because of their own statements. They've just shot themselves in the foot. Don't complain about someone else messing with the company image if this is the image the company itself projects, it looks ridiculous. Honestly how hard can it be to grab some standardized PR template and put in people's names? "The MKERS company acknowledges that Mr. Artur Bloch has raised concerns regarding his previous term of employment and is actively working to resolve any outstanding obligations that may exist. We regret any misunderstandings that may have arisen as a result of certain aspects of international contractual agreements. The company is commited to upholding the highest standards of professional esports." There you go. Took all of five minutes. | ||
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Howard_Kao
China261 Posts
On December 10 2019 00:38 TheOneAboveU wrote: https://twitter.com/mkersofficial/status/1204060536079626240 Come on Mkers, even my 10 years old cousin could make a response that is more on point and easy to understand, this is just a piece of shit | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
On December 10 2019 00:38 TheOneAboveU wrote: https://twitter.com/mkersofficial/status/1204060536079626240 Damn, not even a "I'm sorry we got caught, we'll pay him eventually!" PR response. Just a straight up victim blaming. How dare Nerchio speak up for not getting paid? How unprofessional. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
Like whats their business plan and how does alienating the brand accomplish any of that. also they say fans should encourage players to go through legal channels. well " Mkers has ceased all communications with me and it shows that they want to keep my money in their own pocket." sounds like Nerchio already tried that? so the next legal option then would be court which the community is encouraging which is what the company recommends basically. this is the most nonsensical thing I've ever read. also regardless of what the Company did it sounds like they basically ghosted Nerchio and ignored him. Not sure how that works in other countries but pretty sure in the U.S lack of contact or response doesn't get you out of contractual obligations (at least you can Evict someone even if they refuse to take their eviction notice for example). Maybe he misunderstood the contract in which case they possibly lied or misled him about what they'd cover. | ||
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capacityex
27 Posts
- Mkers organization still owes me salary for 2 months as well as reimbursement for 2 WCS tournaments in Kiev (WCS Spring and WCS Summer). If thats what the contrat says then this is what the contract says. They just need to pay. Mkers has ceased all communications with me This needs to be addressed first. Why arent they responding? I read their statement and just thought . . .theyve tried here, Why not just contact nerchio? Sort it! Its really their issue now. Nerchio is just a player, im assuming they came to him? All the player has to do is fulfil their end of the bargain, which is play. Im sure there would have been no issue if he won. The whole communication from the upper management was run through managers who couldn’t really get in touch with the organization itself very often and all my official emails to Mkers were never really responded to. - What is the nature of the never REALLY responded to? My salaries for last 2 months playing for Mkers were never paid. As of today I am still fighting to get my money back but of course Mkers is hiding behind the cost of legal dispute over contract between entities from different countries. deals a deal. pay the man! | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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ConqDK
4 Posts
On December 10 2019 12:16 pvsnp wrote: Honestly how hard can it be to grab some standardized PR template and put in people's names? "The MKERS company acknowledges that Mr. Artur Bloch has raised concerns regarding his previous term of employment and is actively working to resolve any outstanding obligations that may exist. We regret any misunderstandings that may have arisen as a result of certain aspects of international contractual agreements. The company is commited to upholding the highest standards of professional esports." There you go. Took all of five minutes. Requires that they are actually able to spell the man's name.  | ||
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Fleurrose
2 Posts
Very sorry to hear this Nerchio. It is quite frankly outrageous to treat employees this way and is of course very bad for the health and development of the Starcraft pro scene to have these things. Really hope Mkers get their shit together and own up to the agreements. You are the person who give a great answer to this situation. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7362 Posts
Apparently I did, since all you guys read it this way too. What the hell is wrong with them? | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
There s been nothing on thier twitter -for now. I hope they re going to leave Mkers ASAP... I gues for the semi pros it s fine to stay for now, as long as you re not going to offline events at least. | ||
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
.. and? You really think a few dozen people noticing is going to change things? i mean yeah we will get increasingly more shaming in public .. yeah cool like we love that right?  .. being a company just requires a checkbook .. so it will happen  , but i'm for one am not glad of it.As for the "interesting yet completely abstract"union discussion.. ? i submit that gamers that have won zillion of esports dollars should be funding one, but they don't care .. why not ? because you know? #1 takes care of #1 .. and no one else! Gamers forget every thing the past gamers they were thought and felt the second they become big.. Us old gamers have completely failed to inspire anyone in to anything remotely good .. esports will never be clean because it is not considered any differently than any other product like selling toothpaste (whereas we all know or at least hope that is not or should not be the case!), .. it will always be met with utter contempt by the people in charge (game devs / authorities /people not passionate in particular). Furthermore the system HOLDS on the fact that gamers play along .. yes indeed lets have MORE public SHAMING : no gamer on that team is speaking out.. no one in charge of the games legally is speaking out, nowhere... .. by fear of getting involved..? .. funny fact is they ARE involved .. just are choosing to not say anything .. and lets face it not saying anything is bad and upholds the whole system, no? Adding more lawyers judges unions will not change anything. What does change things is people acting upon their beliefs .. not discussing them. Have you changed anything since "free donky kong" in your attitudes towards companies? Have you done anything for your esport lately? | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On December 10 2019 20:37 fluidrone wrote: the most notorious walking blathering word salad on TL lecturing people on the ineffectiveness of discussing thingsWhat does change things is people acting upon their beliefs .. not discussing them. | ||
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