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On December 10 2019 20:37 fluidrone wrote:
i submit that gamers that have won zillion of esports dollars should be funding one,
but they don't care .. why not ? because you know? #1 takes care of #1 .. and no one else!
Gamers forget every thing the past gamers they were thought and felt the second they become big..
Us old gamers have completely failed to inspire anyone in to anything remotely good .. esports will never be clean because it is not considered any differently than any other product like selling toothpaste (whereas we all know or at least hope that is not or should not be the case!),
CSGO has a player's union that actually gets stuff done and those pros actually win zillions of esports dollars.
SC2 is just a much smaller esport with a significantly smaller number of pros. A union would be great if it wasn't just more likely that companies would drop SC2 if they tried to argue for too much.
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On December 11 2019 00:19 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 20:37 fluidrone wrote:
i submit that gamers that have won zillion of esports dollars should be funding one,
but they don't care .. why not ? because you know? #1 takes care of #1 .. and no one else!
Gamers forget every thing the past gamers they were thought and felt the second they become big..
Us old gamers have completely failed to inspire anyone in to anything remotely good .. esports will never be clean because it is not considered any differently than any other product like selling toothpaste (whereas we all know or at least hope that is not or should not be the case!),
CSGO has a player's union that actually gets stuff done and those pros actually win zillions of esports dollars. SC2 is just a much smaller esport with a significantly smaller number of pros. A union would be great if it wasn't just more likely that companies would drop SC2 if they tried to argue for too much.
I see no need for a seperate union per game, if there allready is an union, why can t SC2 just players join?
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On December 11 2019 00:13 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 20:37 fluidrone wrote:
What does change things is people acting upon their beliefs .. not discussing them.
the most notorious walking blathering word salad on TL lecturing people on the ineffectiveness of discussing things
Lol yeah I gave up after 3 sentences or something, too ^^'
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On December 11 2019 00:29 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 00:13 brickrd wrote:On December 10 2019 20:37 fluidrone wrote:
What does change things is people acting upon their beliefs .. not discussing them.
the most notorious walking blathering word salad on TL lecturing people on the ineffectiveness of discussing things Lol yeah I gave up after 3 sentences or something, too ^^'
Your bad for not listening to the old man's wisdom!
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On December 11 2019 00:27 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 00:19 Parrek wrote:On December 10 2019 20:37 fluidrone wrote:
i submit that gamers that have won zillion of esports dollars should be funding one,
but they don't care .. why not ? because you know? #1 takes care of #1 .. and no one else!
Gamers forget every thing the past gamers they were thought and felt the second they become big..
Us old gamers have completely failed to inspire anyone in to anything remotely good .. esports will never be clean because it is not considered any differently than any other product like selling toothpaste (whereas we all know or at least hope that is not or should not be the case!),
CSGO has a player's union that actually gets stuff done and those pros actually win zillions of esports dollars. SC2 is just a much smaller esport with a significantly smaller number of pros. A union would be great if it wasn't just more likely that companies would drop SC2 if they tried to argue for too much. I see no need for a seperate union per game, if there allready is an union, why can t SC2 just players join?
There would probably need someone to be the visible leader for the SC2 players and probably nobody wants the responsability and work it requires.
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On December 11 2019 00:13 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 20:37 fluidrone wrote:
What does change things is people acting upon their beliefs .. not discussing them.
the most notorious walking blathering word salad on TL lecturing people on the ineffectiveness of discussing things
guys guys .. i'm being called a salad ..
me lecturing? you must have me confused with yourself .. do they call that a transfer i think?
and i thought i was saving esports ..
feelsweirdman
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On December 11 2019 04:08 fluidrone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2019 00:13 brickrd wrote:On December 10 2019 20:37 fluidrone wrote:
What does change things is people acting upon their beliefs .. not discussing them.
the most notorious walking blathering word salad on TL lecturing people on the ineffectiveness of discussing things guys guys .. i'm being called a salad .. me lecturing? you must have me confused with yourself .. do they call that a transfer i think?
i think its called "projecting".
On December 11 2019 00:13 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2019 20:37 fluidrone wrote:
What does change things is people acting upon their beliefs .. not discussing them.
the most notorious walking blathering word salad on TL lecturing people on the ineffectiveness of discussing things
i think face to face , in-person discussion can help resolve an issue/conflict that can't be resolved via online written communication.
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Meanwhile, Mkers tweet about Fifa and not much is said about this situation after their last tweet. I guess one thing that could be done is to message their sponsors and hopefully this makes Mkers pay Nerchio.
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No gaming news websites picked up this story so it’s essentially dead unfortunately.
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Wasn’t Classic part of Mkers? Is it safe to assume he left because he wasn’t being paid either? I didn’t follow the story when he left. Showtime is probably in the same boat too sadly...
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I'm pretty sure that every SC2 player in the team will leave as fast as their contract allows and least some of them will not be payed fully, if the team doesn't make some big moves. Unfortunately seems like this did not get really out of SC2 scene and players of other games may not be aware of the issues and will not avoid this team.
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On December 12 2019 00:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Wasn’t Classic part of Mkers? Is it safe to assume he left because he wasn’t being paid either? I didn’t follow the story when he left. Showtime is probably in the same boat too sadly...
Classic left the team because he retired to join the military.
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Canada8991 Posts
Wouldn't that have made him the guy who was suppose to make sure they get payed? Not to be to much of asshole to the guy, but it's a bit sad that he waited that long to tell us if he was aware of the situation.
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On December 12 2019 01:30 Nakajin wrote:Wouldn't that have made him the guy who was suppose to make sure they get payed? Not to be to much of asshole to the guy, but it's a bit sad that he waited that long to tell us if he was aware of the situation.
My thoughts exactly! He seems part of the problem and not the solution
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On December 12 2019 01:30 Nakajin wrote:Wouldn't that have made him the guy who was suppose to make sure they get payed? Not to be to much of asshole to the guy, but it's a bit sad that he waited that long to tell us if he was aware of the situation.
Depends.
Manager doesnt necessarily mean a lot of power. Dont know any of the details, but many managerial positions have close to 0 say in finance and payments.
"Manager" usually means u're responsible for the schedule of these 2-10 ppl.
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Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
Did YokoKano write this response?
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On December 12 2019 03:17 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2019 01:30 Nakajin wrote:Wouldn't that have made him the guy who was suppose to make sure they get payed? Not to be to much of asshole to the guy, but it's a bit sad that he waited that long to tell us if he was aware of the situation. Depends. Manager doesnt necessarily mean a lot of power. Dont know any of the details, but many managerial positions have close to 0 say in finance and payments. "Manager" usually means u're responsible for the schedule of these 2-10 ppl.
I would agree with this in the sense that "Manager" probably isnt the guy signing the checks, rather coordinating who goes where, checking that they have the equipment they need, etc.
If hes the "manager" as defined as I understand it, hes probably not at fault here
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The response from MKer is pretty poor. However I think people are missing the subtly of their post. They're basically saying he wasn't an employee but rather a service provider.
I don't know the laws that apply in countries in question, but where I'm from the two are quite different. Without actually seeing a copy of the contract it's hard to say who's legally at fault.
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