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Official response from Mkers:

https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27509623



The resolution:

https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/553531-mkers-payment-withhold-dispute?page=11#205



Mkers’ response to the resolution:

https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/553531-mkers-payment-withhold-dispute?page=11#216
Dracover
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia176 Posts
December 20 2019 00:46 GMT
#201
On December 20 2019 09:40 Wombat_NI wrote:

I’m not really calling for that at all.

Blizzard run the show, Blizzard have lawyers

If Nerchio is talking shit then, no action. Indeed if Nerchio is being irresponsible and wrong in this domain, and Mkers are completely blameless, ban him for impugning their reputation.

I’m questioning the idea that Blizzard don’t have the remit in this domain



I agree, Blizz will absolutely have options under some circumstances. However, Blizzards remit really only applies if there has been breaches to the law or to their policies. I'm just pointing out practically speaking it is unlikely that one party is completely blameless, either ethically or legally. In those circumstances, it would be unwise to take sides as you will effectively be sending the message that ethics>legals or vice versa.
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15054 Posts
December 20 2019 05:01 GMT
#202
More importantly Blizzard doesn't care about something like this. They won't do anything, as they haven't in the past when similar stuff has happened.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4262 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-20 09:34:08
December 20 2019 09:33 GMT
#203
On December 20 2019 09:23 Dracover wrote:

The correct response in the work place if you don't get the ok from your boss is to not do whatever it is you think needs to be done. E.g. you need to go to another worksite/state/country for your work. You boss has not given you the ok even though you think it's absolute necessary. You don't do whatever it is. It is not ok to decide on your own to just do it and expect the company to pay you after the fact.


This one seems a bit situational TBH
I mean, of course you are right for most cases.
But I understand this situation more like they made the contract like "hey nerchio, you are going to all WCS events next year and PR for us" and then month before the events is radio silence. So basically he IS doing what his boss wants. And if he is NOT going he is breaching the contract and makes himself vulnerable legally.

And MKers did not say ABC, they said you are right but where are the invoices. Which doesn't seem to be problem because at least flight and hotel invoices can easily be backtracked half a year later (if you don't erase you emails and stuff) Might only be a tax problem there, depending on tax law.


I would only want Blizz involvement after the two parties have this legally sorted out and not a second before. Because then they have grounds to A: either ban Nerchio for slandering or B: ban MKers for contract breaching from all WCS events
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SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria403 Posts
December 24 2019 23:58 GMT
#204
So no reply from Mkers after their investigation? Very disappointing.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2628 Posts
December 25 2019 17:42 GMT
#205
I would like to inform you about the solution to the problem of missing salary from Mkers team. As a result of talks between lawyers, the money is in my account and I consider this matter so far to be resolved.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany1887 Posts
December 25 2019 18:29 GMT
#206
On December 26 2019 02:42 Nerchio wrote:
I would like to inform you about the solution to the problem of missing salary from Mkers team. As a result of talks between lawyers, the money is in my account and I consider this matter so far to be resolved.

Nice, very unfortunate, that you had so much trouble with that but at least you got your money.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
8580 Posts
December 25 2019 18:29 GMT
#207
That is great news
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10180 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-25 18:34:01
December 25 2019 18:33 GMT
#208
On December 26 2019 02:42 Nerchio wrote:
I would like to inform you about the solution to the problem of missing salary from Mkers team. As a result of talks between lawyers, the money is in my account and I consider this matter so far to be resolved.


Please edit the OP then so people know.

Or maybe mods can modnote it ?
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States29940 Posts
December 25 2019 18:35 GMT
#209
Wow, lawyering up actually happened in SC2 :O
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada6772 Posts
December 25 2019 19:07 GMT
#210
On December 26 2019 03:35 Waxangel wrote:
Wow, lawyering up actually happened in SC2 :O


The lawyer probably talked on wechat, we should have the full report in broken chino-english soon.

But serious wp Nerchio!
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PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1377 Posts
December 25 2019 20:37 GMT
#211
JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!
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hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1273 Posts
December 25 2019 23:10 GMT
#212
It’s a Christmas Miracle!
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Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain700 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-25 23:29:17
December 25 2019 23:29 GMT
#213
I guess your lawyer has suddenly become very popular among e-sport players... well done!
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States5625 Posts
December 26 2019 01:47 GMT
#214
A Christmas miracle!
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Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States678 Posts
December 26 2019 03:12 GMT
#215
Even something so basic like "paying salary to your employee" had to take months + lawyering up is really a sad thing to see in the scene. At least, Nerchio is a veteran who has the experience to deal with this. Any other youngsters, they probably gave up already.
Paragleiber
Profile Joined June 2009
411 Posts
January 13 2020 19:10 GMT
#216
Looks like this isn't over after all, lol.
http://www.twitter.com/Paragleiber
osliang
Profile Joined June 2019
China106 Posts
January 13 2020 19:33 GMT
#217
On January 14 2020 04:10 Paragleiber wrote:
Looks like this isn't over after all, lol. https://twitter.com/mkersofficial/status/1216757280470904832


They still don't get it do they?
If they replied to players' emails and pay them on time this wouldn't have happened.
yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
541 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-13 19:54:09
January 13 2020 19:53 GMT
#218
On January 14 2020 04:33 osliang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2020 04:10 Paragleiber wrote:
Looks like this isn't over after all, lol. https://twitter.com/mkersofficial/status/1216757280470904832


They still don't get it do they?
If they replied to players' emails and pay them on time this wouldn't have happened.

Before we get out the pitchforks, note this in the Mkers twitlonger:

...who determined that Mr.Bloch’s initial demands did not correspond to the contract agreements signed by both parties.


If we take this at face value, it seems like Nerchio did in fact make mistake in his initial statement. If that is the case, Nerchio just saying "our lawyers talked and I got money" is indeed somewhat unfair, since Mkers was correct in disagreeing w/ his initial request.

Of course, that's a bit of a leap, nobody but the two of them currently knows what went down. And Mkers is really not phrasing things well on Twitter, and a team probably should make less of a fuss over disagreements with one player, and Nerchio aired many other grievances than just salary that are pretty grievous. But there does seem to have been a mutual misunderstanding at some point a while back, and isn't just a case of one-sided bullying
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nigel
Profile Joined September 2010
53 Posts
January 13 2020 20:04 GMT
#219
LOL at that latest statement...

Even if what they say about the mismatched demands is true, Nerchio has no obligation to disclose that publicly (I'm not a lawyer, but that seems obvious). For them to say his failure to do that is a "distorted representation of facts" with a goal to "damage [their] company" seems like borderline libel.

The statement Nerchio made could not be more neutral and it seems likely from the language that his lawyer wrote or approved it. That contrasts greatly from the weirdly emotional and poorly-thought-out responses we've seen from Mkers.
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States678 Posts
January 13 2020 20:47 GMT
#220
This organization is such a massive joke. The level of incompetence and stupidity of the people in this org are also astounding. So embarrassing. Stay away from them for god's sake.
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