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Official response from Mkers:

https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27509623



The resolution:

https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/553531-mkers-payment-withhold-dispute?page=11#205



Mkers’ response to the resolution:

https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/553531-mkers-payment-withhold-dispute?page=11#216
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria818 Posts
January 13 2020 21:38 GMT
#221
Has Nerchio said anything after December? I can't find new posts, yet Mkers responds now.
Bobrovsky
Profile Joined May 2016
9 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-13 22:26:30
January 13 2020 22:23 GMT
#222
On January 14 2020 04:53 yubo56 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2020 04:33 osliang wrote:
On January 14 2020 04:10 Paragleiber wrote:
Looks like this isn't over after all, lol.


They still don't get it do they?
If they replied to players' emails and pay them on time this wouldn't have happened.

Before we get out the pitchforks, note this in the Mkers twitlonger:

Show nested quote +
...who determined that Mr.Bloch’s initial demands did not correspond to the contract agreements signed by both parties.


If we take this at face value, it seems like Nerchio did in fact make mistake in his initial statement. If that is the case, Nerchio just saying "our lawyers talked and I got money" is indeed somewhat unfair, since Mkers was correct in disagreeing w/ his initial request.

Of course, that's a bit of a leap, nobody but the two of them currently knows what went down. And Mkers is really not phrasing things well on Twitter, and a team probably should make less of a fuss over disagreements with one player, and Nerchio aired many other grievances than just salary that are pretty grievous. But there does seem to have been a mutual misunderstanding at some point a while back, and isn't just a case of one-sided bullying


Likely because Nerchio was seeking more money for the breach of contract is why, he had to hire a lawyer to deal with this after all. Not surprising it was worked down to a lower/"correct" number. MKers haven't acted in good faith this entire time, so I'm not sure why you want to give it to them now.
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
January 13 2020 23:03 GMT
#223
Those Mkers statements read like a parody account.
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-14 00:52:48
January 14 2020 00:52 GMT
#224
Wait...

How does this explain them not originally paying what *was* contractually agreed upon? It doesn't right?

As for the "he asked for more" part, I feel like those are standard disputes that can be easily solved in a healthy environment.Plus Nerchio clearly dropped that request without it being a very big deal. If it's even true lol
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8230 Posts
January 14 2020 04:33 GMT
#225
On January 14 2020 09:52 TentativePanda wrote:
Wait...

How does this explain them not originally paying what *was* contractually agreed upon? It doesn't right?

As for the "he asked for more" part, I feel like those are standard disputes that can be easily solved in a healthy environment.Plus Nerchio clearly dropped that request without it being a very big deal. If it's even true lol

To me it sounds like Nerchio didn't fulfill the requirements in this contract with Mkers. It could be streaming, placing top 4 in WCS, or more.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-14 06:36:41
January 14 2020 06:36 GMT
#226
Lol, but Mkers acknowledged that they payed out something. If they had acted in good faith, and responded to Nerchio in the first place, saying stuff like "you asked for this payment, but this is not part of the contract, etc" then Nerchio wouldn't have been forced to go public.

It was because Mkers did nothing hoping the situation will blow over that their name was dragged in the mud.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-14 07:32:40
January 14 2020 07:32 GMT
#227
They are just pissed, that Showtime didn t extend his contract.
MaxPax
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
January 14 2020 07:44 GMT
#228
On January 14 2020 04:33 osliang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2020 04:10 Paragleiber wrote:
Looks like this isn't over after all, lol. https://twitter.com/mkersofficial/status/1216757280470904832


They still don't get it do they?
If they replied to players' emails and pay them on time this wouldn't have happened.


Anybody who signs with these guys is a moron. Good on Showtime for dropping out
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25010 Posts
January 14 2020 12:28 GMT
#229
‘Once again, we would like to reiterate how a wrong and damaging use of social media can be prejudicial, not only our company but the whole sector.’

While I do agree that people can readily grab the pitchforks and this is an issue, in this particular example MKers lack of a timely response, coupled with their actual responses when they did get in gear eventually have been much more damaging to their rep, at least to me anyway.
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Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
January 14 2020 17:30 GMT
#230
My guess is that the disputable part was refund of costs of travel and accomodation to Nerchio. Usually this should be arranged by the team or the team should approve such expenses. But since there was a communicatons brakedown the team didnt do this, so formally Nerchio was not entitled to a refund.
BabelFish1
Profile Joined September 2015
186 Posts
January 14 2020 19:11 GMT
#231
On January 15 2020 02:30 Kafka777 wrote:
My guess is that the disputable part was refund of costs of travel and accomodation to Nerchio. Usually this should be arranged by the team or the team should approve such expenses. But since there was a communicatons brakedown the team didnt do this, so formally Nerchio was not entitled to a refund.


You're probably right and they tried to fight it but in court, MKers would be held liable within reason as they didn't respond in time and Nerchio, in order to fulfil his contractual obligations had to make reservations on his own.

Provided they were of the same quality/price bracket as the lodging MKers had provided in the past, then MKers should have shut up and just paid the man. Lawyers getting involved was a waste of resources here on their part and the train of events was very simplistic so anyone in a place of power for MKers could have deduced what happened in 5 minutes if they cared enough to investigate with a few phone calls.

MKers dun goofed up. Bad. And Nerchio wasn't completely honest when taking this to the public which makes him look bad. Not that he has to be honest when doing stuff like that but imo, it tarnishes his reputation when he slants perception with omission of events. Both parties should do better in the future.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
January 14 2020 19:32 GMT
#232
Nerchio says "MKers paid me, situation is settled.". Weeks later, MKers replies with "Now hold on, we paid him, but we didn't pay him what he asked for, just what we should have paid him in the first place". The most likely option here being that Nerchio asked for more than just his salary and the travel cost as a compensation. Because, again, the payment was late by several months (nearly half a year for salary and well over that for travel).

We didn't get told how much Nerchio was asking. We didn't get told how much was paid. Because contrary to what MKers seems to be trying to claim, Nerchio isn't a total shithead. So then why would it be important for us to know there was a difference between those sums? Why would they think this would put them in a better light?

Honestly this story turned from upsetting to absolute comedy gold.
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Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
January 14 2020 21:02 GMT
#233
Paying nothing because the creditor is asking for more than you believe is owed, is not acceptable. I've heard this defence used in court countless times and it never holds up. If the creditor is asking for more than you believe is owed, you should still pay at least that amount.

The only relevant facts here are that Nerchio was owed money, that MKers initially refused to pay that money and that Nerchio had to enlist the help of a lawyer to get paid.
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Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-15 00:03:20
January 14 2020 23:45 GMT
#234
I dont think Nerchio ,enlisted any lawyers. MKers have lawyers and they probably just didnt refund his costs,, which in fact they should have anyway by own default. However I know how contracts are written, so generally the player does not have a chance in case of any dispute.
Hecould pursue this further but cost of a lawyer would cost probably 3k euro while the contested amount is 1-2 k euro
Dracover
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia177 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-15 00:04:42
January 15 2020 00:01 GMT
#235
On January 15 2020 04:32 Elentos wrote:
Nerchio says "MKers paid me, situation is settled.".


It could be poor language but he said "missing salary". I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get any of the travel expenses back.

On January 15 2020 04:32 Elentos wrote:
We didn't get told how much Nerchio was asking. We didn't get told how much was paid. Because contrary to what MKers seems to be trying to claim, Nerchio isn't a total shithead. So then why would it be important for us to know there was a difference between those sums?


Because the main dispute was over the travel expenses. I don't think there was ever a dispute over the pay. Not making a payment when there is a component in dispute is very normal.


On January 15 2020 04:32 Elentos wrote:
Why would they think this would put them in a better light?


Because they're PR team is shit.
Don't stop
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
January 15 2020 00:12 GMT
#236
On January 15 2020 04:32 Elentos wrote:
Nerchio says "MKers paid me, situation is settled.".


It could be poor language but he said "missing salary". I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get any of the travel expenses back.

On January 15 2020 04:32 Elentos wrote:
We didn't get told how much Nerchio was asking. We didn't get told how much was paid. Because contrary to what MKers seems to be trying to claim, Nerchio isn't a total shithead. So then why would it be important for us to know there was a difference between those sums?


Because the main dispute was over the travel expenses. I don't think there was ever a dispute over the pay. Not making a payment when there is a component in dispute is very normal.


On January 15 2020 04:32 Elentos wrote:
Why would they think this would put them in a better light?



They are clowns ans so are you. At least you have apprecieation for their PR

User was temp banned for this post.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25010 Posts
January 15 2020 00:49 GMT
#237
On January 15 2020 09:12 Kafka777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 04:32 Elentos wrote:
Nerchio says "MKers paid me, situation is settled.".


It could be poor language but he said "missing salary". I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get any of the travel expenses back.

On January 15 2020 04:32 Elentos wrote:
We didn't get told how much Nerchio was asking. We didn't get told how much was paid. Because contrary to what MKers seems to be trying to claim, Nerchio isn't a total shithead. So then why would it be important for us to know there was a difference between those sums?


Because the main dispute was over the travel expenses. I don't think there was ever a dispute over the pay. Not making a payment when there is a component in dispute is very normal.


On January 15 2020 04:32 Elentos wrote:
Why would they think this would put them in a better light?



They are clowns ans so are you. At least you have apprecieation for their PR

How’s Elentos a clown here? Seem pretty sensible points to me...
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-15 03:06:36
January 15 2020 03:05 GMT
#238
Before signing with Mkers we agreed that all main Starcraft 2 events travel and accommodation will be paid by the team (if agreed beforehand) and everything went smooth in those regards only for the first event under the contract – IEM Katowice 2019. After that I tried to contact the organization to prepare the accommodation and travel for WCS Spring ahead of time so we would get cheaper flights as well as hotel. Very often time is of the essence in this matter because hotels close to the tournament venue are usually booked really fast or prices skyrocket and you unnecessarily have to overpay. But it might be just matter of convenience. For WCS Summer and WCS Spring tournament organizer required players to confirm their participation by sending your flight tickets and hotel booking around 1 week before the tournament started.

The biggest problem is that Mkers organization never responded to me before WCS Spring and I was finally forced to book everything myself at the last moment before the tournament (less than 1 week) or I would be risking withdrawal from the tournament. I was already talking to the organizers that I have troubles with the team booking and asking them for additional time to confirm my slot in the tournament. The thing about all of this is that it puts insane amount of pressure on the player when the team acts like what I described above. Traveling abroad for professional tournament should be planned beforehand from start to finish.

For those that think Nerchio didn't talk about the travel costs, read his original post. The issue he faced was that the non-communication with Mkers meant that he was forced to act or miss out on the event.

Now, if Mkers had said something like, "we're not going to fund you" or something along those lines, then Nerchio would clearly have known where he stood.

In my opinion (I don't know the full facts), in regards to the travel costs, I think that Mkers got away with a technicality. Yes, Nerchio should have got approval first, but if it went to court, I believe that it could've gone either way (and I do believe the magistrate will rule in Nerchio's favours). This was because there was precedence - Nerchio had travel costs reimbursed in the past.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
January 17 2020 19:53 GMT
#239
On January 15 2020 09:49 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2020 09:12 Kafka777 wrote:
On January 15 2020 04:32 Elentos wrote:
Nerchio says "MKers paid me, situation is settled.".


It could be poor language but he said "missing salary". I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get any of the travel expenses back.

On January 15 2020 04:32 Elentos wrote:
We didn't get told how much Nerchio was asking. We didn't get told how much was paid. Because contrary to what MKers seems to be trying to claim, Nerchio isn't a total shithead. So then why would it be important for us to know there was a difference between those sums?


Because the main dispute was over the travel expenses. I don't think there was ever a dispute over the pay. Not making a payment when there is a component in dispute is very normal.


On January 15 2020 04:32 Elentos wrote:
Why would they think this would put them in a better light?



They are clowns ans so are you. At least you have apprecieation for their PR

How’s Elentos a clown here? Seem pretty sensible points to me...

Pretty sure he just monumentally fucked up the quote and wanted the guy responding to me instead.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
385 Posts
January 17 2020 23:36 GMT
#240
They might want to consider spending some money on a PR rep and a player manager instead of having to pay lawyers later. The whole thing is just unprofessional and unnecessary from start to finish.
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