EPTOn December 12 2019 05:53 HornyHerring wrote:
Did YokoKano write this response?
Did YokoKano write this response?
Can you imagine him as an eSports manager? Hahahaha
Mkers: Payment Withhold Dispute - Page 9
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Official response from Mkers: https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27509623 The resolution: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/553531-mkers-payment-withhold-dispute?page=11#205 Mkers’ response to the resolution: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/553531-mkers-payment-withhold-dispute?page=11#216 | ||
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Jealous
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Can you imagine him as an eSports manager? Hahahaha | ||
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alpenrahm
Germany629 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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alpenrahm
Germany629 Posts
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
On December 11 2019 04:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i think its called "projecting". i think face to face , in-person discussion can help resolve an issue/conflict that can't be resolved via online written communication. yes he's definitely projecting.. that was the word thank you.. .. but i think that beyond the projecting there is a transfer.. a transfer from his hate of Mkers or whatever the name is, and how he hates me apparently.. for being? i mean did you see how he slashed my nonexistent street cred in one post wow.. someone should report it so he gets "warned" .. i mean that red text would add so much edginess (<< joke, in case you didn't "get" it) come to think of it, i suppose he's right .. i must be the most notorious walking blathering word salad on TL since he was not warned already for baiting an old sod like myself into ripping him a new one .. with words? mm? something to think about? no.. no time for that sorry! also could you point out how i was "lecturing people on the ineffectiveness of discussing things" .. i'm slow and old and i don't see it.. and no i am not being facetious... i am discussing things, i am not however an apathetic nerd that "only" discusses what he wants.. i follow thoroughly through my ACTIONS, thank you. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On December 13 2019 22:49 alpenrahm wrote: Read MKer's statement. It's a declaration that they do not intend to pay Nerchio. Of course if you beleive that a state where he would be paid exists, then that final state would never be achieved and so it will never be the final state..in a way that is a conclusion aswell. I am just wondering if it really is the final state of things. | ||
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GoSuNamhciR
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria903 Posts
On December 14 2019 04:11 GoSuNamhciR wrote: Unfortunately in a dwindling pro scene stuff like this will start occuring more often. When the market is good pay is good and everyone is giving you all the benefits in the world, but once cash starts drying up the opposite starts happening as they feel they can get away with it. Sad to see this happen to you and it is a good thing you came forward with this, if organizations don't own up to their obligations that they agreed/signed on to then their name should be dragged through the mud. Hopefully you can recoup something, but even if not its an important lesson learned. I don't think Nerchio should leave it as it is. 2 months without pay or even 1 month is still crucial. People pay rent/morgage, credit, etc. You depend on regular income, so this behaviour isn't acceptable and something should be done. Edit: I've messaged Mkers on Twitter to pay Nerchio. Let's all message them and maybe they'll get annoyed and finally pay him. Link: https://twitter.com/mkersofficial | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
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Dave4
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On December 14 2019 21:29 Dave4 wrote: Any updates? Nothing much except MKers tweeted some PR bs that said somehow it's nerchio's fault for going public with this issue and that they were trying to be "professional." I am not a lawyer, but I imagine only lawsuits are the kind of action that would move MKers; except even if nerchio has the legal high ground, suing is expensive and lengthy, ergo the position of the MKers. I wonder if any law firm is willing to sue in nerchio's behalf; that'll be the only plausible way I think. | ||
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GoSuNamhciR
126 Posts
On December 14 2019 06:11 SC-Shield wrote: I don't think Nerchio should leave it as it is. 2 months without pay or even 1 month is still crucial. People pay rent/morgage, credit, etc. You depend on regular income, so this behaviour isn't acceptable and something should be done. Edit: I've messaged Mkers on Twitter to pay Nerchio. Let's all message them and maybe they'll get annoyed and finally pay him. Link: https://twitter.com/mkersofficial I am not defending Mkers at all, quite the opposite. I just see stuff like this happening in a scene where money becomes scarcer. Think back to the 2008 recession, I got shit on by some of the shadiest things by companies (not getting paid properly back then) and had very little recourse for it because they were using legal workarounds and nobody was hiring and everybody was laying off so I took what I got. Nowadays the job market is the opposite, if I want I can leave and go to 100 different companies and get competing offers... but I see the SC2 scene as dwindling personally, and if pros are desperate for money they will be jerked around. I hope I'm wrong and I hope he gets paid what he is owed. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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Mkers finally understood the only thing they need to do is to not say anything, and let it blow over. Few hundred angry replies, and then it's over | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On December 14 2019 08:24 SuperFanBoy wrote: Have any other players from the team made any statements? By continuing to play for the team they're complicit in this kind of player abuse | ||
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Jealous
10415 Posts
On December 16 2019 04:24 Cyro wrote: By continuing to play for the team they're complicit in this kind of player abuse Calm down fam. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
Well, assuming Nerchio is being truthful and that Mkers haven’t reformed (which seems unlikely giving their response), they kind of are. Not everyone is in a position to do so of course, but if an employer is fucking over employees they’re fucking over employees. That kind of worker solidarity is increasingly the preserve of the wealthy though, who can afford to make a stand. And again with the provision ‘if’ here | ||
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blackmanpl
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We hope to start to building a more professional relationship Did they hire a 10ye old to write all that ? | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On December 10 2019 08:50 Wombat_NI wrote: + Show Spoiler + If. I’m not really any kind of expert in expenses-related work personally but from friends in industries where that’s how they work it usually goes. ‘I’m going to cover this story, will you cover my expenses?’ in the case of a journalist who brings the project up with whoever’s paying them, and in the opposite direction where the ‘creative’ is approached by someone for work ‘We want you to photograph this gig for us’ and then you settle on what your expenses are and work out something mutually reasonable. But yes there is a difference in interpretation depending on what the contracts stipulated and how things went down. At this point, given Nerchio’s good standing, plus no reports of his having problems with previous points, and Mkers hamfisted response I’m struggling to even play devil’s advocate. However, if they had a contractual agreement that basically constituted Nerchio having to do things in a certain fashion, then maybe legally they have a case. This makes the response by MKers more hilarious, as they actually call themselves the debtor in it, implying they do owe Nerchio (and adds no clarification to the situation, implying they would owe tournament expenses and the salary). But, I am not a lawyer. It is very probable there is a poorly written contract, and expense based work I'm sure is ripe for misunderstanding. Nerchio's OP here basically says MKer would pay for tournaments if agreed upon beforehand, which leads to this bad situation where MKer decided to ghost and never respond so that there could never be an agreement. Either side can end up being unprofessional where every tournament has to be negotiated on/rely on good faith actors. I'd hope for the players' sake that Nerchio's contract lists like "WCS premier events in Europe" or something with legal weight, otherwise Nerchio will have to go a long way to get anything beyond the salary. And these contracts or agreements I'm sure are very poorly written in general. | ||
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Jealous
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On December 16 2019 11:09 Wombat_NI wrote: Well, assuming Nerchio is being truthful and that Mkers haven’t reformed (which seems unlikely giving their response), they kind of are. Not everyone is in a position to do so of course, but if an employer is fucking over employees they’re fucking over employees. That kind of worker solidarity is increasingly the preserve of the wealthy though, who can afford to make a stand. And again with the provision ‘if’ here If other players are getting paid out and Nerchio is not, then it's not on them to throw away their earning potential for a cause that we ALL have a limited amount of information about. EDIT: Just to give a personal example, back when I was in poverty I was working as a temp laborer at a warehouse. After 90 days they have to either raise your pay or hire you for the same amount with benefits. On the 89th day I was let go and told that it was because "you were doing something you shouldn't have been." I thought back to the times that I rode on the forkjack like a scooter or to get from A to B faster or when I climbed the scaffolding to get a box instead of waiting for the forklift, and said "OK, I understand." Meanwhile, they old everyone else that I was stealing. Sure, they lied out their ass, but I wouldn't expect everyone there to take my word over theirs when it comes to why I got fired. Every single person in that factory, save for the one guy who had rich parents and drove up in a Porsche to sit in the office and do his mandatory work hours to continue receiving daddy's money, needed their pay. Expecting people to rise up and throw away their income is childish and simple-minded IMO, even if the employer they work for is bullshit and they spread bullshit - which, I have to remind you, we don't know the internal workings of. Not saying that Nerchio was "stealing" as per my story, not at all, since I know that I wasn't. But if everyone else in the company is still getting paid, I don't agree that they are complicit in the mistreatment of one worker that happened somewhere in the ether that they are not aware of or privy to. | ||
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
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