EPTMkers: Payment Withhold Dispute - Page 2
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Official response from Mkers: https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27509623 The resolution: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/553531-mkers-payment-withhold-dispute?page=11#205 Mkers’ response to the resolution: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/553531-mkers-payment-withhold-dispute?page=11#216 | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
Contracts should include that as a clause, no more work until late pay is received. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On December 08 2019 03:07 Zzoram wrote: I think a key lesson here is if a team is late to pay once, players need to stop representing them until they catch up on the pay instead of letting them fall further and further behind in paying and then ending up being owed a lot. Contracts should include that as a clause, no more work until late pay is received. yes, and workers should also unionize to protect their rights, but often they don't because they are afraid of damaging their professional relationships | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Wish you all the best Nerchio! | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On December 08 2019 01:17 Wombat_NI wrote: It’s not like Nerchio is some naive kid here either who didn’t sign formal contracts or whatever. Although naive kids also shouldn’t be taken advantage of. If Nerchio’s version of events is at all accurate, Mkers players should be barred from WCS competition until he gets his money. This is literally the dumbest possible solution and you should be ashamed to suggest it. You want to punish players for something they had no involvement in? | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On December 08 2019 03:22 Boggyb wrote: This is literally the dumbest possible solution and you should be ashamed to suggest it. You want to punish players for something they had no involvement in? I suppose he does not want the players from MKERS to be banned, but the team. Players can play, but without representing the team. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26408 Posts
On December 08 2019 03:22 Boggyb wrote: This is literally the dumbest possible solution and you should be ashamed to suggest it. You want to punish players for something they had no involvement in? What do you propose? Pay your players or you don’t get to use a platform like WCS to expose your brand until you settle your debts. It’s how plenty of ‘real’ sports operate, never mind wider business in general. I’d be fine with Mkers players participating in these tournaments but absolutely not under the Mkers brand unless this is resolved: | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 08 2019 03:41 tigon_ridge wrote: This should become a lawsuit. Something like this must never be allowed to happen without some sharp repercussion. If they are from a different country than the player it can cost extra and they will profit from that situation (which is stupid). I don't like Nerchio (i really really don't) BUT what happened to him is just stupid and should not happen. Especially after 10 years, we are not playing WoL where nobody knew how to make and sign contracts... I do hope that Nerchio gets paid in the end. | ||
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Lambertus
South Africa978 Posts
 Hope everything works out for you Artur! Hope ShoWTimE and the others are not experiencing the same issue :/ | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On December 08 2019 03:41 tigon_ridge wrote: This should become a lawsuit. Something like this must never be allowed to happen without some sharp repercussion. Saddly it probably won't happen, the amount of money should be relatively low, and doing lawsuit between Poland and Italy is probably a mess (just translating all the legal document would cost a shitload), especially since it's unclear if Maker would really be able to pay any kind of compensation anyway. Anyway, I say that but I'm not an expert maybe it can be done. | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On December 08 2019 03:32 Wombat_NI wrote: What do you propose? Pay your players or you don’t get to use a platform like WCS to expose your brand until you settle your debts. It’s how plenty of ‘real’ sports operate, never mind wider business in general. I’d be fine with Mkers players participating in these tournaments but absolutely not under the Mkers brand unless this is resolved: What's there to propose? This is a contract dispute between 2 private parties. What the players should do is form an esports union to which players pay dues so that players have someone with legal knowledge and financial power on their side when they have financial disputes with teams or what not. It could extend beyond Starcraft 2 into any and every esport. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26408 Posts
On December 08 2019 07:28 Boggyb wrote: What's there to propose? This is a contract dispute between 2 private parties. What the players should do is form an esports union to which players pay dues so that players have someone with legal knowledge and financial power on their side when they have financial disputes with teams or what not. It could extend beyond Starcraft 2 into any and every esport. How do you have a union in a multinational industry that crosses many different borders and different legal and employment codes? As someone who is a strong advocate of unionisation I don’t see how this is workable at all Ultimately who’s going to be the arbiter here anyway? Blizzard? How is that functionally any different from me suggesting Blizzard should punish teams who don’t honour their contracts to players? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26408 Posts
Maybe a union that encompasses a large chunk of eSport pros can raise sufficient revenue to bring such legal actions when they arise, sure. I don’t think it’s an ideal situation but if a company like Blizzard, or a Riot or a Valve who have both an eSports presence and run a large chunk of their own game’s eSports, they should intercede in such cases both for their image and the integrity and sustainability of their own competitions. It organisations are just being dicks to employees, ban them. If said orgs aren’t being dicks but are completely broke, then you can’t build tournaments around said organisations and they should be cut. For the time being until eSports matures further I think this makes far more pragmatic sense. | ||
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carlba
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26408 Posts
On December 08 2019 09:32 carlba wrote: Hey asshole. post that contract. How do you know if Nerchio is telling the truth? Was Nerchio fulfilling that contract? Literally said in my first post on the matter ‘if Nerchio’s version of events is accurate’ but nice try. The wisdom of Mkers throwing money at him or not isn’t the issue, it’s if they aren’t honouring their agreed obligations. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17360 Posts
I have no idea what Nerchio's "public persona" is these days. On December 08 2019 09:32 carlba wrote: Hey asshole. post that contract. How do you know if Nerchio is telling the truth? Was Nerchio fulfilling that contract? Hey polite, cordial, and reasonable poster.  Do you think addressing people this way will further the discourse in any meaningful manner? | ||
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carlba
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carlba
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