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Haukinger
Germany131 Posts
On November 16 2019 04:42 Harris1st wrote: Well the spells effect is that you only attack at melee range, so it's consistent. And making exceptions based on "lore" is making it harder to balance Tell that to Hellions, Hellbats, High Templars, Ghosts... | ||
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Riquiz
Netherlands402 Posts
 Hope it will be a better game for it though. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2656 Posts
On November 16 2019 05:33 Haukinger wrote: Tell that to Hellions, Hellbats, High Templars, Ghosts... Spells aren't attacks, other wise I can see the same change being made to them (altough I'm not sure it will be as impactful) | ||
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Miralem Ibrahim
40 Posts
terran's change for most of them look like more like "quality of life" changes than actual real changes that change the gameplay of the race? We will see but it really look like it Majority of Zerg changes are just straight up nerfs with the exception of infested terran (witch is big I admit it) but for the rest .... Protoss changes really look like change but why did they keep the Observer change? I don't know but this patch doesn't make me excited for next year personally. | ||
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batatm
Israel116 Posts
that's why i said BALANCE ASIDE, this is about the feeling of freshmess the patch brings to the game. terran and protoss meet this criteria with several changes that opens up several new possible comps/build orders, but for zerg it's hardly the case when all they got are nerfs and 2 hive upgrades. to put it in other words, the changes to protoss and terran are exciting to test and play around with, but there's not much to tinker with for zerg. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
I haven't actually tried it yet, but, assuming zealots and lings interact well at their respective speeds, that is much better ideally, but.. as of right now's meta... im a bit worried about P openers based on what we need to defend at each stage. Either way, hope to see some great new builds, this is definitely a hugeee change to the meta that people might not be really thinking about yet. Gonna look forward to the builds at HSC edit: also as other are posting, i still dunno wtf they're doing with observers :D... | ||
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Aesto
44 Posts
As for Infested Terrans being a "historic" unit: What is that even supposed to mean? From a gameplay point of view, they were utterly trash in WoL and HotS. They weren't even good against the units they were supposed to counter. So there's nothing historic about that. And as far as the lore goes, Infested Terrans have existed before Infestors, and that relationship never really made any sense anyway. A spellcaster "spawning" a unit possibly infinitely, even though it is made from a finite resource (infested humans)? That shows in the campaign, where, even in SC2, Infested Terrans usually exist independently of Infestors. | ||
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JJH777
United States4418 Posts
On November 16 2019 08:24 batatm wrote: that's why i said BALANCE ASIDE, this is about the feeling of freshmess the patch brings to the game. terran and protoss meet this criteria with several changes that opens up several new possible comps/build orders, but for zerg it's hardly the case when all they got are nerfs and 2 hive upgrades. to put it in other words, the changes to protoss and terran are exciting to test and play around with, but there's not much to tinker with for zerg. Pretty much every Zerg unit already had a clear place in the game and was used frequently. The only Zerg unit you could really argue was under utilized was the lurker and that got buffed. Change purely for the sake of change is pointless and bad for the game. Zerg already had by far the most variety in terms of compositions and gameplay styles. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26912 Posts
On November 16 2019 10:21 JJH777 wrote: Pretty much every Zerg unit already had a clear place in the game and was used frequently. The only Zerg unit you could really argue was under utilized was the lurker and that got buffed. Change purely for the sake of change is pointless and bad for the game. Zerg already had by far the most variety in terms of compositions and gameplay styles. Well it’s not purely for the sake of change, it’s for a reason. Lurkers are good units, getting a bit of a buff while other things are nerfed. They’re not used much in non ZvZ not because they’re bad units but because Zerg have way better options. BL/Infestor is shit, hell Infestors as potent and catch-all as they are currently is shit, basically everyone hates it. If Zerg plays as strong but differently basically the entire community is down with that. | ||
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Dedraterllaerau
113 Posts
On November 16 2019 03:37 Charoisaur wrote: agreed, new ability looks super situational and gimmicky. Infested terran was a beautifully designed ability that led to many exciting moments. It was just a little overtuned on the recent patch. Disappointed they go for the nuke option. I'm happy they nuked it, units for energy doesn't belong in this game. | ||
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91matt
United Kingdom147 Posts
On November 16 2019 12:15 Wombat_NI wrote: Well it’s not purely for the sake of change, it’s for a reason. Lurkers are good units, getting a bit of a buff while other things are nerfed. They’re not used much in non ZvZ not because they’re bad units but because Zerg have way better options. BL/Infestor is shit, hell Infestors as potent and catch-all as they are currently is shit, basically everyone hates it. If Zerg plays as strong but differently basically the entire community is down with that. Lurkers are kind of a bad unit tho, they are niche af | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
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washikie
United States752 Posts
On November 16 2019 08:16 Miralem Ibrahim wrote: Am I the only one who is disappointed by those changes? Like... terran's change for most of them look like more like "quality of life" changes than actual real changes that change the gameplay of the race? We will see but it really look like it Majority of Zerg changes are just straight up nerfs with the exception of infested terran (witch is big I admit it) but for the rest .... Protoss changes really look like change but why did they keep the Observer change? I don't know but this patch doesn't make me excited for next year personally. Some of these things for Terran are more important then they look. I’m really interested to see how the faster but weeker lib range pans out. Having an upgrade moved off the tech lab for a reactored unit is a really big deal for Terran. I’m also interested to see how impactful the blue flame change is, now that it’s cheaper it will make mech and specifically battle mech better since you can now afford a weapon upgrade 2 factories and battle mech units where before you had to cut and the cut that was made was almost always blue flame since it scales really poorly compared to other options. The zealot change can also be considered a change for Terran because of impactful it is for mech and also mech heavy bio. The thor effectively got a dps increase since it will be significantly less deeply and spend a lot less time trying to determine what to shoot at. Also depending on how late game shakes out tvz might evolve to the point that Terran can use reactionary deffensive gameplans because lategame is winnable. Overall it’s an interesting set of changes that shakes things up for every race while not wrocking the boat to hard. | ||
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scbwsc2
5 Posts
On November 16 2019 03:37 Charoisaur wrote: agreed, new ability looks super situational and gimmicky. Infested terran was a beautifully designed ability that led to many exciting moments. It was just a little overtuned on the recent patch. Disappointed they go for the nuke option. I agree that they shouldn't have completely eliminate the unit. But as it was, it was way too powerful and spammable and ruined late game pvz and tvz. They were definitely going to have to radically change the unit one way or another. | ||
nimdil
Poland3763 Posts
On November 16 2019 04:42 Harris1st wrote: Well the spells effect is that you only attack at melee range, so it's consistent. And making exceptions based on "lore" is making it harder to balance If you ignore lore for the sake of balance, you ignore gamers in general in favor of hardcore gamers, I think. I guess that's where sc2 is these days. | ||
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Lucasmus
35 Posts
Then you could also argue, maybe hellions and hellbats don't care about hitting friendly units? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
The thor effectively got a dps increase since it will be significantly less deeply and spend a lot less time trying to determine what to shoot at. It has less overkill, 20% more raw DPS and will be less derpy. Some loss of alpha strike damage but overall i'm treating it as a substantial buff. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4522 Posts
When serral won blizzcon in 2018 I thought the game was really good to be honest. Balance wise as well as fun to play. The changes for 2019 were bad, and it really had it's impact on the whole year for tournaments for SC. At this point I'd rather just go back to the 2018 patch than all these weird changes we have now. | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On November 16 2019 21:27 Liquid`Ret wrote: Considering this is an end of the year big patch the changes are really underwhelming. I think the problem is that they are only open to smaller and smaller changes because they invest less and less in Starcraft. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19364 Posts
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