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insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
July 02 2019 05:56 GMT
#81
And how am I supposed to reinforce the poke pushes btw? In early-mid game? in PvP and PvT? PvP will become a SG fest again. I'm just pinned to the base until 10 minute now. Well thought, blizzard.
Less is more.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
July 02 2019 06:05 GMT
#82
All changes seems reasonable. The most important change is the warp prism change.

Stim change I am not sure about. It is possible it will make some timing too strong, but I am not sure.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 02 2019 06:07 GMT
#83
The classic "Terran didn't win GSL so we are nerfing to other races and buffing Terran twice"

Truly awful changes
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Steelghost1
Profile Joined June 2019
43 Posts
July 02 2019 06:27 GMT
#84
Zerg will still be god in lategame and Carriers wont be the answer
Jae Hyuk
Profile Joined July 2019
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-02 07:15:11
July 02 2019 07:07 GMT
#85
All changes is reasonable. Especially Toss powerful early game must be nuff.
I thnk that Warf-Prism's boarding arrange need to narrow, but Increasing summon time is a good selection.
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
July 02 2019 07:12 GMT
#86
On July 02 2019 07:53 Charoisaur wrote:
Don't like the Warpprism nerf at all. prisms are one of the most fun units in the game and promote active gameplay.
They should be good. Disappointing they listen to whining Zerg players

I'm not sure that calling Zerg players whiners is a constructive way to contribute to the discussion.

On point I think these changes are all pretty good and should give a bit of vitality to a somewhat stagnating meta.
Mlord
Profile Joined February 2013
France135 Posts
July 02 2019 07:29 GMT
#87
It's close to the best they can do for now, only a blizzcon patch could redesign protoss to make it a fair race, also crazy that they introduced acropolis in a "rough" time for terran as i don't think i've ever seen a macro map that imbalanced for zerg and protoss against terran
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
July 02 2019 07:34 GMT
#88
On July 02 2019 14:56 insitelol wrote:
And how am I supposed to reinforce the poke pushes btw? In early-mid game? in PvP and PvT? PvP will become a SG fest again. I'm just pinned to the base until 10 minute now. Well thought, blizzard.


How about producing the units in your base and walking them across the map, you know, like what the other 2 races had to do for the last 9 years? Jesus Christ the entitlement. It's not enough that most protoss units can be instantly produced, they should also appears wherever I need!
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-02 07:41:37
July 02 2019 07:41 GMT
#89
These changes are extreme. As a Zerg player I can't speak to PvT, but I expect PvZ to swing heavily in favour of Zerg with these changes. The changes to carriers and infested Terran seem nowhere near significant enough to make late-game balanced, and I feel like the warp-prism nerfs will result in easy early games leading to overwhelming mid-game Zerg timings. I'd prefer a modest reduction to warp prism HP so that Protoss can't juggle/warp in with so much impunity, and maybe something like a max energy nerf for infestors to weaken Zerg late-game turtling.

On the bright side, I always enjoyed watching phoenix vs phoenix PvP, and there'll surely be more of that!
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RatzBarcode
Profile Joined December 2013
United States98 Posts
July 02 2019 07:43 GMT
#90
On July 02 2019 16:34 fastr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 14:56 insitelol wrote:
And how am I supposed to reinforce the poke pushes btw? In early-mid game? in PvP and PvT? PvP will become a SG fest again. I'm just pinned to the base until 10 minute now. Well thought, blizzard.


How about producing the units in your base and walking them across the map, you know, like what the other 2 races had to do for the last 9 years? Jesus Christ the entitlement. It's not enough that most protoss units can be instantly produced, they should also appears wherever I need!


The problem is the game hasn't really been balanced around that. That's not how Protoss harassment works, that's why gateway units were pitiful, and still aren't that strong compared to the other races.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4915 Posts
July 02 2019 07:56 GMT
#91
On July 02 2019 16:43 RatzBarcode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 16:34 fastr wrote:
On July 02 2019 14:56 insitelol wrote:
And how am I supposed to reinforce the poke pushes btw? In early-mid game? in PvP and PvT? PvP will become a SG fest again. I'm just pinned to the base until 10 minute now. Well thought, blizzard.


How about producing the units in your base and walking them across the map, you know, like what the other 2 races had to do for the last 9 years? Jesus Christ the entitlement. It's not enough that most protoss units can be instantly produced, they should also appears wherever I need!


The problem is the game hasn't really been balanced around that. That's not how Protoss harassment works, that's why gateway units were pitiful, and still aren't that strong compared to the other races.


I disagree. taking together LOTV buffs, zealots are really really strong, tanky AND powerful damage dealers if they reach melee, stalkers are a tactical op unit that shines in low numbers battles and adepts are really powerful exploiting opponents multitasking.
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
July 02 2019 08:03 GMT
#92
Ahhh yes once again the "Protoss removed from game" patch
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 02 2019 08:04 GMT
#93
On July 02 2019 16:29 Mlord wrote:
It's close to the best they can do for now, only a blizzcon patch could redesign protoss to make it a fair race, also crazy that they introduced acropolis in a "rough" time for terran as i don't think i've ever seen a macro map that imbalanced for zerg and protoss against terran

Well, in the last map pool there were 2 imbalanced maps, one of which stayed(Cyber Forest), so, uh, it's probably their choice to have such 2 maps in the game(which is stupid, but what can we do)

On July 02 2019 16:43 RatzBarcode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 16:34 fastr wrote:
On July 02 2019 14:56 insitelol wrote:
And how am I supposed to reinforce the poke pushes btw? In early-mid game? in PvP and PvT? PvP will become a SG fest again. I'm just pinned to the base until 10 minute now. Well thought, blizzard.


How about producing the units in your base and walking them across the map, you know, like what the other 2 races had to do for the last 9 years? Jesus Christ the entitlement. It's not enough that most protoss units can be instantly produced, they should also appears wherever I need!


The problem is the game hasn't really been balanced around that. That's not how Protoss harassment works, that's why gateway units were pitiful, and still aren't that strong compared to the other races.

Adept especially was added as a powerful tanky unit which can survive long enough and do some damage. Longer warp in in earlier stages where you need the defender advantage the most is a good choice. More all ins will move to proxy pylon&gateway combo which is easier to defend.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Nars_
Profile Joined February 2016
31 Posts
July 02 2019 08:06 GMT
#94
"Yeah we don't really think Protoss is overpowered, players talk about different stages of the game and all. Here guys - massive nerfs to Protoss and big boost to Terran have fun"

Finally after 9 years I can uninstall the game.
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
July 02 2019 08:07 GMT
#95
On July 02 2019 16:34 fastr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 14:56 insitelol wrote:
And how am I supposed to reinforce the poke pushes btw? In early-mid game? in PvP and PvT? PvP will become a SG fest again. I'm just pinned to the base until 10 minute now. Well thought, blizzard.


How about producing the units in your base and walking them across the map, you know, like what the other 2 races had to do for the last 9 years? Jesus Christ the entitlement. It's not enough that most protoss units can be instantly produced, they should also appears wherever I need!

By the other 2 races you mean the one who can lift and boost their whole army into opponent's base and the one who can literally teleport infinite supply of forces anywhere on the visible map?
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3486 Posts
July 02 2019 08:09 GMT
#96
I mean i also am worried about some of these changes (or how they could impact the game), but this is for goddamn TESTING purposes. Everybody acts like this is the final patch and protoss is gonna get removed by this. I am all for more experimental and maybe bigger changes for a testing that can be dialed back to reasonable numbers, so i'd advocate to take a chill pill.
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-02 08:22:35
July 02 2019 08:15 GMT
#97
On July 02 2019 17:06 Nars_ wrote:
"Yeah we don't really think Protoss is overpowered, players talk about different stages of the game and all. Here guys - massive nerfs to Protoss and big boost to Terran have fun"

My thoughts exactly. "Some whiners say protoss is OP, but there is no evidence to that - winratios are negative for toss, they haven't won a single tournament in 2 years, hm... it's a controvercy! We have no clue what's going on, but if we remain silent, everyone will think we are not doing our job, we will get fired, sooo.... lets nerf the fuck out of protoss". "L" stands for logics.

On July 02 2019 17:07 yht9657 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 16:34 fastr wrote:
On July 02 2019 14:56 insitelol wrote:
And how am I supposed to reinforce the poke pushes btw? In early-mid game? in PvP and PvT? PvP will become a SG fest again. I'm just pinned to the base until 10 minute now. Well thought, blizzard.


How about producing the units in your base and walking them across the map, you know, like what the other 2 races had to do for the last 9 years? Jesus Christ the entitlement. It's not enough that most protoss units can be instantly produced, they should also appears wherever I need!

By the other 2 races you mean the one who can lift and boost their whole army into opponent's base and the one who can literally teleport infinite supply of forces anywhere on the visible map?

Ye, i like how they justify recall nerf by "punishing" protoss players who are "constatly out of position" and completely ignore free nydus spamming for zergs. Those positioning issues, you know.
Less is more.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-02 08:24:21
July 02 2019 08:24 GMT
#98
On July 02 2019 17:15 insitelol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2019 17:06 Nars_ wrote:
"Yeah we don't really think Protoss is overpowered, players talk about different stages of the game and all. Here guys - massive nerfs to Protoss and big boost to Terran have fun"

My thoughts exactly. "Some whiners say protoss is OP, but there is no evidence to that - winratios are negative for toss, they haven't won a single tournament in 2 years, hm... it's a controvercy! We have no clue what's going on, but if we remain silent, everyone will think we are not doing our job, we will get fired, sooo.... lets nerf the fuck out of protoss". "L" stands for logics.

8 Protoss players in RO16 (Code S S2)
7 Protoss players in RO8 (GSL ST1)
Several 2nd places of Protosses(Code S: 2018 S1, 2018 S2, 2019 S1, 2019 S2; 2018 GSL ST2; IEM: Katowice 2019, PyeongChang 2018, Katowice 2018; Blizzcon 2018)
NO PROTOSS CHAMPION IN 2 YEARS!$!$!$ Classic just won GSL ST1? Stats won the 2018 GSL ST1? Classic won the 2018 GSL ST2?

How about WCS? Showtime, MaNa, Has, Neeb? (Neeb won WCS America IIRC)

Do you watch SC2 or just complain?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6923 Posts
July 02 2019 08:25 GMT
#99
I like most changes but the stim timing seems overkill.

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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 02 2019 08:29 GMT
#100
On July 02 2019 17:25 Harris1st wrote:
I like most changes but the stim timing seems overkill.

Bio All-In, all day, every day

Well, if this change moves PvT from auto 3rd to "let's do 2 base dance, baby, like it's hots again" - I will probably like it
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
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