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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-15 17:56:21
July 15 2019 17:56 GMT
#341
On July 16 2019 02:38 Shuffleblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2019 02:26 FFW_Rude wrote:
On July 15 2019 18:01 Shuffleblade wrote:
On July 15 2019 11:51 Boggyb wrote:
Just for reference, during the playoff rounds of WCS Summer, Protoss went:
12-19 in maps and 2-6 in series against Zerg.
4-7 in maps and 1-2 in series against Terran.

But yeah, Protoss really needs a nerf. That will definitely stop twitch chat from screaming P R O T O S S when a WCS Champion Protoss player takes 15+ minutes to beat a Zerg player who has never advanced beyond the round of 8 in a circuit wide LOTV WCS event.

Those results are basically even compared to how hard protoss stomped both zerg and terrans (but particularly terran) in the last 3 major korean tournaments.

Every time I pointed that out most posters were like "Better not patch too soon, its only been 1, 2, 3 tournaments of protoss domination. Its probably just that all protoss players got good at the same time".

Now when we have one tournament were protoss doesn't do well (its not even that bad, terran did far worse in any of the prior 3 korean tournaments) you post this one tournament as the reason protoss shouldn't be nerfed? -_-

Yeah sure, if protoss dominates three tournaments in rapid succession no patch is needed but if protoss doesn't do well in in one tournament they should definitely be buffed?

Maybe you are just trying to be a counter weight to all the "nerf protoss into the ground" posters (which would include me xD) but please, be sensible. Gross overexageration doesn't help the situation, if both sides just escalate their subjectivivity actual discussions will just be drowned out.

Personally I am a strong supporter of nerfing the WP, that doesn't mean I think protoss should be nerfed as a whole, if needed buffs to other areas could be needed but WP as an essential crutch for protoss needs to go. I do think templars are too strong vs terran and therefore think the ghost emp buff would be great but that is honestly the only real overall "nerf" I think is needed.


I didn't know Maru and Serral played protoss. Or Dark. Or Reynor.

I weren't aware one player could qualify multiple times and fill a bracket by themselves.


Wasn't aware Qualifiers were as important as championship titles
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
July 15 2019 18:18 GMT
#342
On July 16 2019 02:56 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2019 02:38 Shuffleblade wrote:
On July 16 2019 02:26 FFW_Rude wrote:
On July 15 2019 18:01 Shuffleblade wrote:
On July 15 2019 11:51 Boggyb wrote:
Just for reference, during the playoff rounds of WCS Summer, Protoss went:
12-19 in maps and 2-6 in series against Zerg.
4-7 in maps and 1-2 in series against Terran.

But yeah, Protoss really needs a nerf. That will definitely stop twitch chat from screaming P R O T O S S when a WCS Champion Protoss player takes 15+ minutes to beat a Zerg player who has never advanced beyond the round of 8 in a circuit wide LOTV WCS event.

Those results are basically even compared to how hard protoss stomped both zerg and terrans (but particularly terran) in the last 3 major korean tournaments.

Every time I pointed that out most posters were like "Better not patch too soon, its only been 1, 2, 3 tournaments of protoss domination. Its probably just that all protoss players got good at the same time".

Now when we have one tournament were protoss doesn't do well (its not even that bad, terran did far worse in any of the prior 3 korean tournaments) you post this one tournament as the reason protoss shouldn't be nerfed? -_-

Yeah sure, if protoss dominates three tournaments in rapid succession no patch is needed but if protoss doesn't do well in in one tournament they should definitely be buffed?

Maybe you are just trying to be a counter weight to all the "nerf protoss into the ground" posters (which would include me xD) but please, be sensible. Gross overexageration doesn't help the situation, if both sides just escalate their subjectivivity actual discussions will just be drowned out.

Personally I am a strong supporter of nerfing the WP, that doesn't mean I think protoss should be nerfed as a whole, if needed buffs to other areas could be needed but WP as an essential crutch for protoss needs to go. I do think templars are too strong vs terran and therefore think the ghost emp buff would be great but that is honestly the only real overall "nerf" I think is needed.


I didn't know Maru and Serral played protoss. Or Dark. Or Reynor.

I weren't aware one player could qualify multiple times and fill a bracket by themselves.


Wasn't aware Qualifiers were as important as championship titles

You're welcome
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TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
July 15 2019 18:38 GMT
#343
Bold balance update proposal.

I'm particularly surprised they're not addressing the Warp Prism pick-up-drop micro though. It feels obviously broken and on display in almost every PvZ. It feels more broken than when Terran could pick up and drop tanks in siege mode. I was thinking that perhaps there could be a cooldown on units being dropped by prisms before they can attack. The long warp in is a big nerf though. I'm just not sure the main problem with the Warp Prism is the fast warp-in. I guess we will see!
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RandomPlayer416
Profile Joined January 2019
84 Posts
July 16 2019 00:41 GMT
#344
On July 15 2019 14:58 Eladmiara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 11:51 Boggyb wrote:
Just for reference, during the playoff rounds of WCS Summer, Protoss went:
12-19 in maps and 2-6 in series against Zerg.
4-7 in maps and 1-2 in series against Terran.

But yeah, Protoss really needs a nerf. That will definitely stop twitch chat from screaming P R O T O S S when a WCS Champion Protoss player takes 15+ minutes to beat a Zerg player who has never advanced beyond the round of 8 in a circuit wide LOTV WCS event.


Protoss can play with xbox controller and reach master 1, i did it.

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