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On March 14 2019 11:57 jy_9876543210 wrote:
Macsed's response:
"说下当时情况吧，第一盘打完我觉得这个人很菜，当然所有人都和我这么说，我也觉得他很菜，然后第二盘才会选择一个低保rush因为我觉得只要过去把他门口的兵营打了就能赢，但是我过去看到他家里有个兵营没开气我以为他要开2矿，我就封了他得气，一旦封了他拿什么打我低保？可我万万没想到他这个战术是rail教他的，因为在职业内战里面这种战术是不成立的，所以我就没多想。打完这场比赛rail跑过来疯狂炫耀说是我教的，因为他知道我会觉得他是菜鸟肯定会想快点结束，然后就家里一个兵营外面3个兵营来骗我。果真我被骗到了，当时被骗到了乱导致各种失误，但是我认为就算不失误这一盘我也赢不了，因为我家里已经挡不住了，他只要在外面开个基地农民传出来也是随便赢。哎都怪我，太丢人了"
My translation:
"The situation was, after the first map I thought this guy is weak, of course that's also what everyone's been telling me, and I felt the same. So on the second map I decided to cannon rush since I thought I could win by destroying the gateway in his base, but when I saw his base, there's a gateway but no gas, so I thought he's gonna expand, and I blocked his gas, so he can't stop my cannon rush. But what I didn't know was that it's rail who taught him this strategy, because he knew that I would try to finish this game quickly since I thought my opponent is weak, and he tricked me by one gateway in main base and 3 proxies outside. That totally got me, and resulted in a lot of mistakes from me. But I think even if I didn't make those mistakes, I still wouldn't win that map, since I couldn't defend my base, he could just make another base and recall the probes. It's my fault, this is an embarrassing game." |
On March 14 2019 00:28 AlgeriaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 23:46 ZenithM wrote:
Probably nothing to do at this point anymore.
But failing a cannon rush on the back of "silly" mistakes seems like a surefire way to intentionally lose a game to a worse player. I bet MacSed could have made it look even more credible if Seventy hadn't proxied him, he was probably confused as to how to best lose in these circumstances. Failing a cannon rush gracefully might even be the kind of thing you can practice for, and the practice is useless if you're getting cheesed yourself.
There is a slew of dumb mistakes by the Protoss (losing the probes, floating minerals, not canceling cannons, not finishing off the zealots), that alone are not worth much and wouldn't raise anyone's eyebrows, but combined with the betting pattern make for a very compelling case imo. Yep, definitely a perfect strat for faking a loss vs a worse player. But the probes suddenly escaping instead of delivering 2 more shots and killing both those zealots was a bit too much. There is absolutely 0 reason for doing that and he was right there microing the probes so no way he can claim he was distracted at that moment. People need to watch the video. This sounds shady in theory but the actual match was even worse.
Exactly. Thank you for having some intelligence.
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On March 14 2019 00:40 NinjaNight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 23:27 deacon.frost wrote:On March 13 2019 22:50 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 22:48 NinjaNight wrote:
If anyone still has serious doubts after posts 115 & 116 you probably won't be convinced until you have proof that's impossible to deny. Unfortunately we live in a world where such proof is very hard to come by. Or perhaps you haven't played protoss at a masters or higher level and that blinds you from seeing that a professional protoss cannot possibly play this way in a major tournament unless they want to lose. Macsed needs to be given at least a temporary ban from starcraft for this immediately. Yeah, let's punish a player we have no solid evidence against. Seriously? How can you honestly believe there's no solid evidence? Let's start with one aspect. Can you explain to me from the perspective of someone who believes he didn't matchfix why he suddenly pulled his probes off the 2 zealots they were attacking right when the zealots were about to die? I can tell you exactly why this is one piece of evidence (among many) that he was matchfixing in great detail.
I would like to emphasize how utterly ignorant it is to say we have no solid evidence. You're one of the people I mentioned who will only believe it once you have pure undeniable proof handed to you on a silver platter (which is nearly impossible for us to get). You won't accept any amount of evidence no matter how unlikely it could be that he's innocent.
I found so much evidence of matchfixing in this game that I don't think there can even be any reasonable doubt.
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Match was obviously intentionally lost/fixed. It's amazing some people seem to think a player of that level can just 'have a bad game' like that. Even playing mouse only he should've (and would've if he tried) easily won that game.
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I believe there was match fixing in this instance.
But still, to play devil's advocate, people of all levels should be allowed to make any mistake, however grave, even INTENTIONAL mistakes. You're not bound by law to always play your best and up to your usual standards.
There should be a massive difference between intentionally messing up (which to me is alright if it's done for no reason other than to have fun) and match fixing, which entails more malicious dealings. I wouldn't care one bit if MacSed decided to fuck around and drop a map doing silly shit to a diamond player.
That's why I think you need to look at the betting side of things more than the game itself (at least don't overemphasize the in-game arguments). Like, how much money was actually involved in the line shift, that kind of stuff. And if the betting site is silent about this, not much you can do I'd say... you actually need to prove that money changed hands, essentially.
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On March 13 2019 12:57 BretZ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 12:31 MarathonMan wrote:
Not only is this game not suspicious, this is not match fixing. We dont have the replay and therefore have zero confirmation as to who saw what. Not to mention, most of these responses were normal. On top of that macsed has been out of play for a good while, is playing someone way worse than him, and likely just wanted to get to the next game. If this game is suspicious, MarineKing match fixed in proleague all those years ago. The betting line is weird. Its not suspicious. Just a little weird. But weirder things have happened. I HIGHLY SUGGEST PEOPLE STOP PITCHFORKING UNTIL WE SEE THE REPLAY, NOT JUST A REALLY BAD VOD. There's multiple places to find the VODS. Better quality. Why is every single poster that denies the evidence from brand new accounts? Why are all of you pulling what about isms?
Because I normally dont bother with TL. This place is pretty toxic.
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On March 14 2019 00:45 NinjaNight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 00:40 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 23:27 deacon.frost wrote:On March 13 2019 22:50 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 22:48 NinjaNight wrote:
If anyone still has serious doubts after posts 115 & 116 you probably won't be convinced until you have proof that's impossible to deny. Unfortunately we live in a world where such proof is very hard to come by. Or perhaps you haven't played protoss at a masters or higher level and that blinds you from seeing that a professional protoss cannot possibly play this way in a major tournament unless they want to lose. Macsed needs to be given at least a temporary ban from starcraft for this immediately. Yeah, let's punish a player we have no solid evidence against. Seriously? How can you honestly believe there's no solid evidence? Let's start with one aspect. Can you explain to me from the perspective of someone who believes he didn't matchfix why he suddenly pulled his probes off the 2 zealots they were attacking right when the zealots were about to die? I can tell you exactly why this is one piece of evidence (among many) that he was matchfixing in great detail. I would like to emphasize how utterly ignorant it is to say we have no solid evidence. You're one of the people I mentioned who will only believe it once you have pure undeniable proof handed to you on a silver platter (which is nearly impossible for us to get). You won't accept any amount of evidence no matter how unlikely it could be that he's innocent. I found so much evidence of matchfixing in this game that I don't think there can even be any reasonable doubt. User was warned for this post
Considering how serious of an accusation this is, we should be waiting until we get undeniable proof.
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100% matchfix, this is on the level of MarineKing vs Byul. Maybe worse.
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On March 14 2019 01:22 ZenithM wrote:
I believe there was match fixing in this instance.
But still, to play devil's advocate, people of all levels should be allowed to make any mistake, however grave, even INTENTIONAL mistakes. You're not bound by law to always play your best and up to your usual standards.
There should be a massive difference between intentionally messing up (which to me is alright if it's done for no reason other than to have fun) and match fixing, which entails more malicious dealings. I wouldn't care one bit if MacSed decided to fuck around and drop a map doing silly shit to a diamond player.
That's why I think you need to look at the betting side of things more than the game itself (at least don't overemphasize the in-game arguments). Like, how much money was actually involved in the line shift, that kind of stuff. And if the betting site is silent about this, not much you can do I'd say... you actually need to prove that money changed hands, essentially.
While I do understand your point of not convicting and shaming players without proof I do not agree with you "intentional" arguement.
This is a bloody premier tournament, his dropping a map can make him lose out on advancing (which means not only victory and pride but also money). Not only that, while extremely unlikely in this particular case, if he was losing games "intentionally" while playing others seriously he could give that intentional win to a person that ends up advancing because of that.
I do not think it is alright to lose games on purpose in this context, moreoever there is no way that a player would lose on purpose in a premier tounament with fame and money on the line. The "maybe he wanted to lose for funsies" arguement is stupid, just as likely as Maru not trying to win IEM katawice and trolling for fun is also simply not possible. To be as good as these players are they simply can't be that stupid.
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On March 13 2019 11:07 11cc wrote:
If this game was presented as the only evidence I would just laugh. Good players can play bad sometimes. What about this evidence about an abnormally big bet made on this match, is that credible?
Yeah you don’t have to go right to match fixing. Maybe he had a big night out and was playing hung over. Mistakes happen in circumstances like that.
And as to the bet, we don’t actually know it was really big. The line moved a lot, but if there was little or not action it wouldn’t take much to move the line, maybe just a few hundred. It wasn’t like this was a marquee match. It could be something as simple as, he goes out and has a few too many drinks and the bartender sees him stagger out and decides to put a few hundred bucks against him.
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On March 14 2019 01:40 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 01:22 ZenithM wrote:
I believe there was match fixing in this instance.
But still, to play devil's advocate, people of all levels should be allowed to make any mistake, however grave, even INTENTIONAL mistakes. You're not bound by law to always play your best and up to your usual standards.
There should be a massive difference between intentionally messing up (which to me is alright if it's done for no reason other than to have fun) and match fixing, which entails more malicious dealings. I wouldn't care one bit if MacSed decided to fuck around and drop a map doing silly shit to a diamond player.
That's why I think you need to look at the betting side of things more than the game itself (at least don't overemphasize the in-game arguments). Like, how much money was actually involved in the line shift, that kind of stuff. And if the betting site is silent about this, not much you can do I'd say... you actually need to prove that money changed hands, essentially. While I do understand your point of not convicting and shaming players without proof I do not agree with you "intentional" arguement. This is a bloody premier tournament, his dropping a map can make him lose out on advancing (which means not only victory and pride but also money). Not only that, while extremely unlikely in this particular case, if he was losing games "intentionally" while playing others seriously he could give that intentional win to a person that ends up advancing because of that. I do not think it is alright to lose games on purpose in this context, moreoever there is no way that a player would lose on purpose in a premier tounament with fame and money on the line. The "maybe he wanted to lose for funsies" arguement is stupid, just as likely as Maru not trying to win IEM katawice and trolling for fun is also simply not possible. To be as good as these players are they simply can't be that stupid.
My point was definitely not that "he lost for funsies, no match fixing huehuehue". Like I said I believe there was match fixing, and there are plenty of good arguments for that and I believe it's nigh impossible someone like MacSed would purposely play like crap in a serious tournament setting (or even to straight-up lose a set on purpose, that's really unfathomable indeed).
But you can't ban him from progaming, just because of one terrible game and a weird line shift on Pinnacle, is all I'm saying. The fans can now view him as a match-fixer if they want, sure (I will probably do that myself), invitationals can stop inviting him, sure, but to do more, again, you need to prove money changed hands.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 00:45 NinjaNight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 00:40 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 23:27 deacon.frost wrote:On March 13 2019 22:50 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 22:48 NinjaNight wrote:
If anyone still has serious doubts after posts 115 & 116 you probably won't be convinced until you have proof that's impossible to deny. Unfortunately we live in a world where such proof is very hard to come by. Or perhaps you haven't played protoss at a masters or higher level and that blinds you from seeing that a professional protoss cannot possibly play this way in a major tournament unless they want to lose. Macsed needs to be given at least a temporary ban from starcraft for this immediately. Yeah, let's punish a player we have no solid evidence against. Seriously? How can you honestly believe there's no solid evidence? Let's start with one aspect. Can you explain to me from the perspective of someone who believes he didn't matchfix why he suddenly pulled his probes off the 2 zealots they were attacking right when the zealots were about to die? I can tell you exactly why this is one piece of evidence (among many) that he was matchfixing in great detail. I would like to emphasize how utterly ignorant it is to say we have no solid evidence. You're one of the people I mentioned who will only believe it once you have pure undeniable proof handed to you on a silver platter ( which is nearly impossible for us to get). You won't accept any amount of evidence no matter how unlikely it could be that he's innocent. I found so much evidence of matchfixing in this game that I don't think there can even be any reasonable doubt. User was warned for this post
First of all, I love how you talk with yourself. Beautiful.
Now - no, I have my doubts and they're reasonable. Match-fixing is a big accusation and as such it needs to be treated properly and not by mob lynch. Also now you're probably getting closer to how it should work. People, who can get the evidence, will do the investigation and then report the result. Not some random person on the interwebz.
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On March 13 2019 09:05 Nakajin wrote:Fuck 
Gotta agree that's some pretty hard evidence.
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I strongly believe that the people that think that there's a chance this isn't a match fix just don't understand the evidence we already have, they either haven't seen it or can't grasp it at all.
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On March 14 2019 01:38 MarathonMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 00:45 NinjaNight wrote:On March 14 2019 00:40 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 23:27 deacon.frost wrote:On March 13 2019 22:50 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 22:48 NinjaNight wrote:
If anyone still has serious doubts after posts 115 & 116 you probably won't be convinced until you have proof that's impossible to deny. Unfortunately we live in a world where such proof is very hard to come by. Or perhaps you haven't played protoss at a masters or higher level and that blinds you from seeing that a professional protoss cannot possibly play this way in a major tournament unless they want to lose. Macsed needs to be given at least a temporary ban from starcraft for this immediately. Yeah, let's punish a player we have no solid evidence against. Seriously? How can you honestly believe there's no solid evidence? Let's start with one aspect. Can you explain to me from the perspective of someone who believes he didn't matchfix why he suddenly pulled his probes off the 2 zealots they were attacking right when the zealots were about to die? I can tell you exactly why this is one piece of evidence (among many) that he was matchfixing in great detail. I would like to emphasize how utterly ignorant it is to say we have no solid evidence. You're one of the people I mentioned who will only believe it once you have pure undeniable proof handed to you on a silver platter (which is nearly impossible for us to get). You won't accept any amount of evidence no matter how unlikely it could be that he's innocent. I found so much evidence of matchfixing in this game that I don't think there can even be any reasonable doubt. User was warned for this post Considering how serious of an accusation this is, we should be waiting until we get undeniable proof.
I think you're most likely never getting undeniable proof even if it was matchfixing. I don't think this is the right approach.
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On March 14 2019 02:22 NinjaNight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 01:38 MarathonMan wrote:On March 14 2019 00:45 NinjaNight wrote:On March 14 2019 00:40 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 23:27 deacon.frost wrote:On March 13 2019 22:50 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 22:48 NinjaNight wrote:
If anyone still has serious doubts after posts 115 & 116 you probably won't be convinced until you have proof that's impossible to deny. Unfortunately we live in a world where such proof is very hard to come by. Or perhaps you haven't played protoss at a masters or higher level and that blinds you from seeing that a professional protoss cannot possibly play this way in a major tournament unless they want to lose. Macsed needs to be given at least a temporary ban from starcraft for this immediately. Yeah, let's punish a player we have no solid evidence against. Seriously? How can you honestly believe there's no solid evidence? Let's start with one aspect. Can you explain to me from the perspective of someone who believes he didn't matchfix why he suddenly pulled his probes off the 2 zealots they were attacking right when the zealots were about to die? I can tell you exactly why this is one piece of evidence (among many) that he was matchfixing in great detail. I would like to emphasize how utterly ignorant it is to say we have no solid evidence. You're one of the people I mentioned who will only believe it once you have pure undeniable proof handed to you on a silver platter (which is nearly impossible for us to get). You won't accept any amount of evidence no matter how unlikely it could be that he's innocent. I found so much evidence of matchfixing in this game that I don't think there can even be any reasonable doubt. User was warned for this post Considering how serious of an accusation this is, we should be waiting until we get undeniable proof. I think you're most likely never getting undeniable proof even if it was matchfixing. I don't think this is the right approach.
You might want to check mr. Savior and mr. Life cases, certain former Prime team case and probably plenty of others.
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On March 14 2019 02:02 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 00:45 NinjaNight wrote:On March 14 2019 00:40 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 23:27 deacon.frost wrote:On March 13 2019 22:50 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 22:48 NinjaNight wrote:
If anyone still has serious doubts after posts 115 & 116 you probably won't be convinced until you have proof that's impossible to deny. Unfortunately we live in a world where such proof is very hard to come by. Or perhaps you haven't played protoss at a masters or higher level and that blinds you from seeing that a professional protoss cannot possibly play this way in a major tournament unless they want to lose. Macsed needs to be given at least a temporary ban from starcraft for this immediately. Yeah, let's punish a player we have no solid evidence against. Seriously? How can you honestly believe there's no solid evidence? Let's start with one aspect. Can you explain to me from the perspective of someone who believes he didn't matchfix why he suddenly pulled his probes off the 2 zealots they were attacking right when the zealots were about to die? I can tell you exactly why this is one piece of evidence (among many) that he was matchfixing in great detail. I would like to emphasize how utterly ignorant it is to say we have no solid evidence. You're one of the people I mentioned who will only believe it once you have pure undeniable proof handed to you on a silver platter ( which is nearly impossible for us to get). You won't accept any amount of evidence no matter how unlikely it could be that he's innocent. I found so much evidence of matchfixing in this game that I don't think there can even be any reasonable doubt. User was warned for this post First of all, I love how you talk with yourself. Beautiful. Now - no, I have my doubts and they're reasonable. Match-fixing is a big accusation and as such it needs to be treated properly and not by mob lynch. Also now you're probably getting closer to how it should work. People, who can get the evidence, will do the investigation and then report the result. Not some random person on the interwebz.
That's elaboration on my own post. I love how you can't tell I was talking to you. Beautiful.
I understand that but good luck. Match fixing would most likely stay hidden in spite of your investigations. So refusing to look at strong evidence means you probably never get to the truth.
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On March 14 2019 02:24 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 02:22 NinjaNight wrote:On March 14 2019 01:38 MarathonMan wrote:On March 14 2019 00:45 NinjaNight wrote:On March 14 2019 00:40 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 23:27 deacon.frost wrote:On March 13 2019 22:50 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 22:48 NinjaNight wrote:
If anyone still has serious doubts after posts 115 & 116 you probably won't be convinced until you have proof that's impossible to deny. Unfortunately we live in a world where such proof is very hard to come by. Or perhaps you haven't played protoss at a masters or higher level and that blinds you from seeing that a professional protoss cannot possibly play this way in a major tournament unless they want to lose. Macsed needs to be given at least a temporary ban from starcraft for this immediately. Yeah, let's punish a player we have no solid evidence against. Seriously? How can you honestly believe there's no solid evidence? Let's start with one aspect. Can you explain to me from the perspective of someone who believes he didn't matchfix why he suddenly pulled his probes off the 2 zealots they were attacking right when the zealots were about to die? I can tell you exactly why this is one piece of evidence (among many) that he was matchfixing in great detail. I would like to emphasize how utterly ignorant it is to say we have no solid evidence. You're one of the people I mentioned who will only believe it once you have pure undeniable proof handed to you on a silver platter (which is nearly impossible for us to get). You won't accept any amount of evidence no matter how unlikely it could be that he's innocent. I found so much evidence of matchfixing in this game that I don't think there can even be any reasonable doubt. User was warned for this post Considering how serious of an accusation this is, we should be waiting until we get undeniable proof. I think you're most likely never getting undeniable proof even if it was matchfixing. I don't think this is the right approach. You might want to check mr. Savior and mr. Life cases, certain former Prime team case and probably plenty of others.
Ah yes catching a couple guys surely means there weren't way more who went undiscovered.
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On March 14 2019 02:25 NinjaNight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 02:24 deacon.frost wrote:On March 14 2019 02:22 NinjaNight wrote:On March 14 2019 01:38 MarathonMan wrote:On March 14 2019 00:45 NinjaNight wrote:On March 14 2019 00:40 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 23:27 deacon.frost wrote:On March 13 2019 22:50 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 22:48 NinjaNight wrote:
If anyone still has serious doubts after posts 115 & 116 you probably won't be convinced until you have proof that's impossible to deny. Unfortunately we live in a world where such proof is very hard to come by. Or perhaps you haven't played protoss at a masters or higher level and that blinds you from seeing that a professional protoss cannot possibly play this way in a major tournament unless they want to lose. Macsed needs to be given at least a temporary ban from starcraft for this immediately. Yeah, let's punish a player we have no solid evidence against. Seriously? How can you honestly believe there's no solid evidence? Let's start with one aspect. Can you explain to me from the perspective of someone who believes he didn't matchfix why he suddenly pulled his probes off the 2 zealots they were attacking right when the zealots were about to die? I can tell you exactly why this is one piece of evidence (among many) that he was matchfixing in great detail. I would like to emphasize how utterly ignorant it is to say we have no solid evidence. You're one of the people I mentioned who will only believe it once you have pure undeniable proof handed to you on a silver platter (which is nearly impossible for us to get). You won't accept any amount of evidence no matter how unlikely it could be that he's innocent. I found so much evidence of matchfixing in this game that I don't think there can even be any reasonable doubt. User was warned for this post Considering how serious of an accusation this is, we should be waiting until we get undeniable proof. I think you're most likely never getting undeniable proof even if it was matchfixing. I don't think this is the right approach. You might want to check mr. Savior and mr. Life cases, certain former Prime team case and probably plenty of others. Ah yes catching a couple guys surely means there weren't way more who went undiscovered.
If you don't have the evidence then we consider people innocent. That's how these things work in civilized countries, because incarcerating innocent people is one of the evilest things you can do to a person. So if the officials stay out of this it probably means nothing happened and we can't do anything about it as we cannot get the evidence.
Also learn to edit. It's not that hard, you just press the edit button and then edit your post. Quotation is something quite different.
Edit> While we cannot lock MacSed - this is destroying a his current life and professional career. So let's take it like civilized people, not like a lynching mob.
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On March 14 2019 02:25 NinjaNight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2019 02:24 deacon.frost wrote:On March 14 2019 02:22 NinjaNight wrote:On March 14 2019 01:38 MarathonMan wrote:On March 14 2019 00:45 NinjaNight wrote:On March 14 2019 00:40 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 23:27 deacon.frost wrote:On March 13 2019 22:50 NinjaNight wrote:On March 13 2019 22:48 NinjaNight wrote:
If anyone still has serious doubts after posts 115 & 116 you probably won't be convinced until you have proof that's impossible to deny. Unfortunately we live in a world where such proof is very hard to come by. Or perhaps you haven't played protoss at a masters or higher level and that blinds you from seeing that a professional protoss cannot possibly play this way in a major tournament unless they want to lose. Macsed needs to be given at least a temporary ban from starcraft for this immediately. Yeah, let's punish a player we have no solid evidence against. Seriously? How can you honestly believe there's no solid evidence? Let's start with one aspect. Can you explain to me from the perspective of someone who believes he didn't matchfix why he suddenly pulled his probes off the 2 zealots they were attacking right when the zealots were about to die? I can tell you exactly why this is one piece of evidence (among many) that he was matchfixing in great detail. I would like to emphasize how utterly ignorant it is to say we have no solid evidence. You're one of the people I mentioned who will only believe it once you have pure undeniable proof handed to you on a silver platter (which is nearly impossible for us to get). You won't accept any amount of evidence no matter how unlikely it could be that he's innocent. I found so much evidence of matchfixing in this game that I don't think there can even be any reasonable doubt. User was warned for this post Considering how serious of an accusation this is, we should be waiting until we get undeniable proof. I think you're most likely never getting undeniable proof even if it was matchfixing. I don't think this is the right approach. You might want to check mr. Savior and mr. Life cases, certain former Prime team case and probably plenty of others. Ah yes catching a couple guys surely means there weren't way more who went undiscovered.
There have been many over the years, but considering it mean an immediate lost of the player income if Blizz decided to ban him we should thread carefully. It's good that it has been brought up and that people are looking into it, but at the end of the day we aren't the one that lose our jobs for it, better having a free matchfixer than to convicted an innocent
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INno, Soulkey, San, Dark, BuyL, MKP and others were all accused of matchfixing in the past, if we start bringing the hammer on every programmers with a strange line it may be a long list.
Edit: not BuyL and Dark sorry
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This topic is always frustrating on TL. Most people on TL are very bad at conceiving odds and probability math. Added to this there's the irrational disbeleif that a player they support match-fixed. Marine King and Innovation definitely match-fixed towards the end of Proleague (both were in a slump and the games were dodgy too although the odds movement is almost 100% proof).
I naively thought this would eventually come out but I am so angry that MKP and Inno both got away with it. At least Byul and MKP did the safe thing and quickly retired after accusations were being thrown around. No idea who else is guilty of this but these three spring to mind. Cannot read this thread because TL's readership don't understand betting and I tried so hard to explain how unlikely this was to be anything other than human intervention but it was useless. Probably will get flamed for this post even...
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