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On March 14 2019 11:57 jy_9876543210 wrote: Macsed's response: "说下当时情况吧，第一盘打完我觉得这个人很菜，当然所有人都和我这么说，我也觉得他很菜，然后第二盘才会选择一个低保rush因为我觉得只要过去把他门口的兵营打了就能赢，但是我过去看到他家里有个兵营没开气我以为他要开2矿，我就封了他得气，一旦封了他拿什么打我低保？可我万万没想到他这个战术是rail教他的，因为在职业内战里面这种战术是不成立的，所以我就没多想。打完这场比赛rail跑过来疯狂炫耀说是我教的，因为他知道我会觉得他是菜鸟肯定会想快点结束，然后就家里一个兵营外面3个兵营来骗我。果真我被骗到了，当时被骗到了乱导致各种失误，但是我认为就算不失误这一盘我也赢不了，因为我家里已经挡不住了，他只要在外面开个基地农民传出来也是随便赢。哎都怪我，太丢人了" My translation: "The situation was, after the first map I thought this guy is weak, of course that's also what everyone's been telling me, and I felt the same. So on the second map I decided to cannon rush since I thought I could win by destroying the gateway in his base, but when I saw his base, there's a gateway but no gas, so I thought he's gonna expand, and I blocked his gas, so he can't stop my cannon rush. But what I didn't know was that it's rail who taught him this strategy, because he knew that I would try to finish this game quickly since I thought my opponent is weak, and he tricked me by one gateway in main base and 3 proxies outside. That totally got me, and resulted in a lot of mistakes from me. But I think even if I didn't make those mistakes, I still wouldn't win that map, since I couldn't defend my base, he could just make another base and recall the probes. It's my fault, this is an embarrassing game." | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
Unless Macsed suddenly confesses or some chat logs turn up, I don't see how anyone could prove this. It seems like it is really difficult to investigate matchfixing by starting with the players or the games themselves. Easy way for players to make some money. | ||
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AshtonEG
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
Edit: nvm should've read the comments before responding | ||
Poopi
France12883 Posts
Not as bad as the big ones within the korean scene that happened the last few years, but it's a not so friendly reminder that these sort of things ain't in the past yet. This looks very suspicious (I trust the OP for the betting lines thing), especially considering that a GM/ex-pro can lose against a top master (mayyybe mid-master) but against a diamond no way, it's not in the variance threshold of upsets imho. Hopefully we'll get more intel though. | ||
digmouse
China6329 Posts
On March 13 2019 18:16 Popkiller wrote: If Pinnacle says there was nothing strange, that's probably the end of it. Unless Macsed suddenly confesses or some chat logs turn up, I don't see how anyone could prove this. It seems like it is really difficult to investigate matchfixing by starting with the players or the games themselves. Easy way for players to make some money. Which scares me a fair bit knowing this kind of thing is a possibility. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On March 13 2019 10:37 tcb wrote: sorry…I don't have a experence use OBS or youtube so the video quanlity is very low Steals double gas after scouting no probes and 1 gate. Attacks zealots with his probe in opponents base when his whole build is based on keeping them alive. Builds a gate, but doesn't wall. Puts cannon as a wall instead??????? Builds a pylon in minerals instead of rewalling with ANYTHING....+cannon..... killing zealot after the pylon...???? Keeps cannon wallin even with 300 minerals??????? idk, i guess that could be random luck or him playing dumb due to thinking the opponent is much worse than he was... but like... he is 6k+ on kr... this sort of stuff... literally never happens... :/ really sketch imo | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1199 Posts
Edit: didnt see that pinnacle was emailed. Strange that they don't cancel that bet. I dont want to say its a guaranteed matchfix, and a stupid loss _can_ happen while it doesn't 99,999999999999% of the time. Yet if that scenario occurs its unlikely a person did also bet on it to shift the whole line. Either that was a really mad person or a fix to me but in any case, if you don't have proof its always just an assumption. | ||
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p1cass0
46 Posts
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TaKeTV
Germany1199 Posts
On March 13 2019 19:55 p1cass0 wrote: You are making a very serious accusation only because someone lost to a much better player? I don't believe TL is allowing this. You could post this s**t every time when Cinderella story happens and made you lose money. This is why gamblers are so annoying in any sports community. take the time to read it again and understand it. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
Either way, without an actual proof (chat log/tracked money), it seems crazy to punish, even tho I would guess that it's highly likely it was fixed. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 13 2019 19:55 p1cass0 wrote: You are making a very serious accusation only because someone lost to a much better player? I don't believe TL is allowing this. You could post this s**t every time when Cinderella story happens and made you lose money. This is why gamblers are so annoying in any sports community. You really shouldnt backseat moderate, especially when you're clearly in the wrong/ didnt bother to read through the evidence. I agree, it's not 100% definitive, each individual element of the story could be explained away as unlikely happenstance, but since all of them happened at once, it's basically 99% sure. It's not tangible proof, but more than enough circumstential proof for me, and certainly enough to talk about the possibility that indeed it happened. | ||
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Puosu
6985 Posts
I mean, there's gotta be somekinda foresight in play here, but perhaps not necessarily intentional match fixing. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On March 13 2019 20:45 Puosu wrote: Would you people count it as match fixing if MacSed told someone beforehand he was gonna play less than seriously versus his newbie opponent? This kind of insider information could make the eccentric bet ~+EV... I mean, there's gotta be somekinda foresight in play here, but perhaps not necessarily intentional match fixing. Yes, it would be "match fixing". Or at least against the rule of the tournament. Playing worst against a specific opponent is unfair to the rest of the field and goes against the integrity of the tournament. Of course it's hard to prove that you had "intentions". That you "meant to play bad" or "less than seriously". It's why something more is needed to be 100% sure. I am guessing we will never get that definitive proof. I hope MacSed realise how close he was to getting caught and never do it again, basically. I guess it's the best case for the scene now. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
you know what else is probably fixed? betting on that stupid spongebob song being sung or not at the super bowl. did you know that betting sites had odds for that? how easy is it for the people and that actually control the event, and their friends, to simply bet "no they won't sing it" and then not have them sing it. sorry I know this is a complete tangent but that's bothered me since then, lol | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
1) Macsed knows there's a massive skill disparity between him and his opponent and the only way he can lose is by playing very risky/doing a dumb build. What does he do? A very weak, slow version of a cannon rush beginning below the opponents base that he intentionally misexecutes in all kinds of ways. 2) He scouts the opponent's base early and based on what he sees he can easily tell the opponent is proxying. How does he react? Just continues with his very stupid, slow cannon rush instead of making defense at home. If he was trying to win he would halt his cannon rush at that moment and just defend his main and win the game. He knows way better than to continue the cannon rush after seeing what he scouted. 3) Intentionally loses a cannon he was making in the opponent's base when his attention couldn't even be taken by anything else. He's literally sitting there wiggling his probes back and forth letting the cannon die without a cancel LOL 4) Opponent makes a gateway in his own base instead of going completely all in with his proxy because he knows MacSed is going to cannon rush him (its prearranged) and has to give a show of supposedly "defending" it. If he didn't know a cannon rush was on the way it would be better to have everything proxied. 5) Oh no! Now a zealot is on the way to my main! Better make a very late wall when I knew this was coming a long time ago. I'll use a gateway and a super vulnerable cannon when I could just complete the wall with a resilient gateway forming a much stronger more efficient wall if I actually wanted to win! 6) As OP mentioned, the betting line moving like this is a suspicious as it gets. No one would be huge money on Seventy to win unless it was fixed. Yes, he matchfixed. It's very stupid to overlook the massive amount of evidence of this. There's more that I haven't even mentioned here as if that wasn't already more than enough. | ||
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NinjaNight
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Heartland
Sweden24580 Posts
On March 13 2019 20:45 Puosu wrote: Would you people count it as match fixing if MacSed told someone beforehand he was gonna play less than seriously versus his newbie opponent? This kind of insider information could make the eccentric bet ~+EV... I mean, there's gotta be somekinda foresight in play here, but perhaps not necessarily intentional match fixing. I might be in the wrong, but I am fairly certain that matchfixing in the past hasn't just been stuff like a player saying "I will fold in game two" but rather a third party acquiring information on an opener and then giving it to the opponent. That is, as far as I can recollect, part of what occured in the big BW match fixing scandal. That is not to say that a mid-Dia player could certainly win even with a rush against a pro, but perhaps it is possible. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On March 13 2019 21:56 travis wrote: yeah it was probably fixed you know what else is probably fixed? betting on that stupid spongebob song being sung or not at the super bowl. did you know that betting sites had odds for that? how easy is it for the people and that actually control the event, and their friends, to simply bet "no they won't sing it" and then not have them sing it. sorry I know this is a complete tangent but that's bothered me since then, lol I would assume insider trading laws apply to betting or there are similar ones, so that would be a major felony level crime for what could only be a minor payout if you're not going to throw up major red flags. | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 13 2019 21:56 travis wrote: yeah it was probably fixed you know what else is probably fixed? betting on that stupid spongebob song being sung or not at the super bowl. did you know that betting sites had odds for that? how easy is it for the people and that actually control the event, and their friends, to simply bet "no they won't sing it" and then not have them sing it. sorry I know this is a complete tangent but that's bothered me since then, lol On a kinda related note. You can bet on freaking election results on that site. Jesus fucking christ | ||
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