On March 14 2019 11:57 jy_9876543210 wrote: Macsed's response:
"说下当时情况吧，第一盘打完我觉得这个人很菜，当然所有人都和我这么说，我也觉得他很菜，然后第二盘才会选择一个低保rush因为我觉得只要过去把他门口的兵营打了就能赢，但是我过去看到他家里有个兵营没开气我以为他要开2矿，我就封了他得气，一旦封了他拿什么打我低保？可我万万没想到他这个战术是rail教他的，因为在职业内战里面这种战术是不成立的，所以我就没多想。打完这场比赛rail跑过来疯狂炫耀说是我教的，因为他知道我会觉得他是菜鸟肯定会想快点结束，然后就家里一个兵营外面3个兵营来骗我。果真我被骗到了，当时被骗到了乱导致各种失误，但是我认为就算不失误这一盘我也赢不了，因为我家里已经挡不住了，他只要在外面开个基地农民传出来也是随便赢。哎都怪我，太丢人了" My translation: "The situation was, after the first map I thought this guy is weak, of course that's also what everyone's been telling me, and I felt the same. So on the second map I decided to cannon rush since I thought I could win by destroying the gateway in his base, but when I saw his base, there's a gateway but no gas, so I thought he's gonna expand, and I blocked his gas, so he can't stop my cannon rush. But what I didn't know was that it's rail who taught him this strategy, because he knew that I would try to finish this game quickly since I thought my opponent is weak, and he tricked me by one gateway in main base and 3 proxies outside. That totally got me, and resulted in a lot of mistakes from me. But I think even if I didn't make those mistakes, I still wouldn't win that map, since I couldn't defend my base, he could just make another base and recall the probes. It's my fault, this is an embarrassing game."
On March 14 2019 02:47 BlingBlang wrote: Marine King and Innovation definitely match-fixed towards the end of Proleague (both were in a slump and the games were dodgy too although the odds movement is almost 100% proof).
I almost hope we find out Innovation match fixed a game at one point because then it would be excessively difficult for people to argue that lifebans are good for the game. It's pretty obvious that Starcraft with Innovation playing and a match-fix at one time in the past is much better than Starcraft with no Innovation since the end of Proleague.
I've seen this argument made for CSGO too and again it needs to be said, no talent is ever worth the loss of integrity. If the legitimacy of the games ever comes into doubt, what's the point of even watching.
When the entire image of the scene is at stake, lifetime bans are more than warranted. Sponsors don't want to be associated with a tainted game, so a match-fixer would've endangered the livelihood of many more people than just himself. Not to mention (assisting with) stealing money is a criminal offence. Be glad they weren't thrown in prison.
A very poisoned outlook on matchfixing bans that I hate seeing surface every now and then. These professionals should know better.
An SC2 with a known matchfixer playing is an SC2 that invites dozens of known matchfixers until no game is sacred any more.
I still think that there should be the possibility of redemption for matchfixers in rare cases and only when said matchfixers really started to pubicly speak out and help against matchfixing and to help the scene overall. Than maybe, someone could be allowed to play again. Not that this would be a likely scenario but I really don't like that categorial "never ever under no circumstances"-attitude. I don't think that rare exceptions made possible by an exceptional way of redemption and good will for the scene would hurt the integrity of the scene.
Of course there is a road to redemption, there has been multiple cases of players being banned indefinitely (not sc2) and then unbanned. However you make it sound like it should be "Hi Life, you are banned forever but if you do X, Y and Z and really mean those things we will let you play again". Thats not right, thats not real redemption, thats us telling them what they need to do to get to play again and then them doing that. Its the whole "say you're sorry" thing, when they do of course they don't mean it because you told them to say it.
Life could have started streaming, he could have started doing a lot for the scene and kept doing it for a long time. Maybe he could have been accepted back, he never tried so of course he will not be welcomed back. Redemption needs to be earned not coached towards.
Also only kespa (a private company that does whatever they wished) banned Life forever, Blizzard never gave a statement so there isn't even anything to really discuss here. He wasn't even banned, big deal if he made a come back right now that he cant play in kespas stuff xD
Considering blizzard stripped his world championship title, i think it's pretty clear where they stand on life playing again
On March 14 2019 02:47 BlingBlang wrote: Marine King and Innovation definitely match-fixed towards the end of Proleague (both were in a slump and the games were dodgy too although the odds movement is almost 100% proof).
I almost hope we find out Innovation match fixed a game at one point because then it would be excessively difficult for people to argue that lifebans are good for the game. It's pretty obvious that Starcraft with Innovation playing and a match-fix at one time in the past is much better than Starcraft with no Innovation since the end of Proleague.
I've seen this argument made for CSGO too and again it needs to be said, no talent is ever worth the loss of integrity. If the legitimacy of the games ever comes into doubt, what's the point of even watching.
When the entire image of the scene is at stake, lifetime bans are more than warranted. Sponsors don't want to be associated with a tainted game, so a match-fixer would've endangered the livelihood of many more people than just himself. Not to mention (assisting with) stealing money is a criminal offence. Be glad they weren't thrown in prison.
A very poisoned outlook on matchfixing bans that I hate seeing surface every now and then. These professionals should know better.
An SC2 with a known matchfixer playing is an SC2 that invites dozens of known matchfixers until no game is sacred any more.
I still think that there should be the possibility of redemption for matchfixers in rare cases and only when said matchfixers really started to pubicly speak out and help against matchfixing and to help the scene overall. Than maybe, someone could be allowed to play again. Not that this would be a likely scenario but I really don't like that categorial "never ever under no circumstances"-attitude. I don't think that rare exceptions made possible by an exceptional way of redemption and good will for the scene would hurt the integrity of the scene.
Of course there is a road to redemption, there has been multiple cases of players being banned indefinitely (not sc2) and then unbanned. However you make it sound like it should be "Hi Life, you are banned forever but if you do X, Y and Z and really mean those things we will let you play again". Thats not right, thats not real redemption, thats us telling them what they need to do to get to play again and then them doing that. Its the whole "say you're sorry" thing, when they do of course they don't mean it because you told them to say it.
Life could have started streaming, he could have started doing a lot for the scene and kept doing it for a long time. Maybe he could have been accepted back, he never tried so of course he will not be welcomed back. Redemption needs to be earned not coached towards.
Also only kespa (a private company that does whatever they wished) banned Life forever, Blizzard never gave a statement so there isn't even anything to really discuss here. He wasn't even banned, big deal if he made a come back right now that he cant play in kespas stuff xD
Considering blizzard stripped his world championship title, i think it's pretty clear where they stand on life playing again
They have a pretty clear stance indeed. It goes approximately like this: Life? Who?
On March 14 2019 02:47 BlingBlang wrote: Marine King and Innovation definitely match-fixed towards the end of Proleague (both were in a slump and the games were dodgy too although the odds movement is almost 100% proof).
I almost hope we find out Innovation match fixed a game at one point because then it would be excessively difficult for people to argue that lifebans are good for the game. It's pretty obvious that Starcraft with Innovation playing and a match-fix at one time in the past is much better than Starcraft with no Innovation since the end of Proleague.
I've seen this argument made for CSGO too and again it needs to be said, no talent is ever worth the loss of integrity. If the legitimacy of the games ever comes into doubt, what's the point of even watching.
When the entire image of the scene is at stake, lifetime bans are more than warranted. Sponsors don't want to be associated with a tainted game, so a match-fixer would've endangered the livelihood of many more people than just himself. Not to mention (assisting with) stealing money is a criminal offence. Be glad they weren't thrown in prison.
A very poisoned outlook on matchfixing bans that I hate seeing surface every now and then. These professionals should know better.
An SC2 with a known matchfixer playing is an SC2 that invites dozens of known matchfixers until no game is sacred any more.
I still think that there should be the possibility of redemption for matchfixers in rare cases and only when said matchfixers really started to pubicly speak out and help against matchfixing and to help the scene overall. Than maybe, someone could be allowed to play again. Not that this would be a likely scenario but I really don't like that categorial "never ever under no circumstances"-attitude. I don't think that rare exceptions made possible by an exceptional way of redemption and good will for the scene would hurt the integrity of the scene.
Of course there is a road to redemption, there has been multiple cases of players being banned indefinitely (not sc2) and then unbanned. However you make it sound like it should be "Hi Life, you are banned forever but if you do X, Y and Z and really mean those things we will let you play again". Thats not right, thats not real redemption, thats us telling them what they need to do to get to play again and then them doing that. Its the whole "say you're sorry" thing, when they do of course they don't mean it because you told them to say it.
Life could have started streaming, he could have started doing a lot for the scene and kept doing it for a long time. Maybe he could have been accepted back, he never tried so of course he will not be welcomed back. Redemption needs to be earned not coached towards.
Also only kespa (a private company that does whatever they wished) banned Life forever, Blizzard never gave a statement so there isn't even anything to really discuss here. He wasn't even banned, big deal if he made a come back right now that he cant play in kespas stuff xD
Considering blizzard stripped his world championship title, i think it's pretty clear where they stand on life playing again
They have a pretty clear stance indeed. It goes approximately like this: Life? Who?
Life should switch to Hearthstone, there Blizzard doesn't care much about throwing games.
On March 14 2019 02:47 BlingBlang wrote: Marine King and Innovation definitely match-fixed towards the end of Proleague (both were in a slump and the games were dodgy too although the odds movement is almost 100% proof).
I almost hope we find out Innovation match fixed a game at one point because then it would be excessively difficult for people to argue that lifebans are good for the game. It's pretty obvious that Starcraft with Innovation playing and a match-fix at one time in the past is much better than Starcraft with no Innovation since the end of Proleague.
I've seen this argument made for CSGO too and again it needs to be said, no talent is ever worth the loss of integrity. If the legitimacy of the games ever comes into doubt, what's the point of even watching.
When the entire image of the scene is at stake, lifetime bans are more than warranted. Sponsors don't want to be associated with a tainted game, so a match-fixer would've endangered the livelihood of many more people than just himself. Not to mention (assisting with) stealing money is a criminal offence. Be glad they weren't thrown in prison.
A very poisoned outlook on matchfixing bans that I hate seeing surface every now and then. These professionals should know better.
An SC2 with a known matchfixer playing is an SC2 that invites dozens of known matchfixers until no game is sacred any more.
I still think that there should be the possibility of redemption for matchfixers in rare cases and only when said matchfixers really started to pubicly speak out and help against matchfixing and to help the scene overall. Than maybe, someone could be allowed to play again. Not that this would be a likely scenario but I really don't like that categorial "never ever under no circumstances"-attitude. I don't think that rare exceptions made possible by an exceptional way of redemption and good will for the scene would hurt the integrity of the scene.
Of course there is a road to redemption, there has been multiple cases of players being banned indefinitely (not sc2) and then unbanned. However you make it sound like it should be "Hi Life, you are banned forever but if you do X, Y and Z and really mean those things we will let you play again". Thats not right, thats not real redemption, thats us telling them what they need to do to get to play again and then them doing that. Its the whole "say you're sorry" thing, when they do of course they don't mean it because you told them to say it.
Life could have started streaming, he could have started doing a lot for the scene and kept doing it for a long time. Maybe he could have been accepted back, he never tried so of course he will not be welcomed back. Redemption needs to be earned not coached towards.
Also only kespa (a private company that does whatever they wished) banned Life forever, Blizzard never gave a statement so there isn't even anything to really discuss here. He wasn't even banned, big deal if he made a come back right now that he cant play in kespas stuff xD
Considering blizzard stripped his world championship title, i think it's pretty clear where they stand on life playing again
They have a pretty clear stance indeed. It goes approximately like this: Life? Who?
Hey in other news opisska, want a sig bet on whether a foriegner wins WESG? (I think the odds are firmly in Korean favor, but I can throw you a bone here, and there's still a reasonable chance that Scarlett, Neeb, or Serral take the whole thing down, plus you need a chance to regain your honor anyways).
On March 14 2019 02:47 BlingBlang wrote: Marine King and Innovation definitely match-fixed towards the end of Proleague (both were in a slump and the games were dodgy too although the odds movement is almost 100% proof).
I almost hope we find out Innovation match fixed a game at one point because then it would be excessively difficult for people to argue that lifebans are good for the game. It's pretty obvious that Starcraft with Innovation playing and a match-fix at one time in the past is much better than Starcraft with no Innovation since the end of Proleague.
I've seen this argument made for CSGO too and again it needs to be said, no talent is ever worth the loss of integrity. If the legitimacy of the games ever comes into doubt, what's the point of even watching.
When the entire image of the scene is at stake, lifetime bans are more than warranted. Sponsors don't want to be associated with a tainted game, so a match-fixer would've endangered the livelihood of many more people than just himself. Not to mention (assisting with) stealing money is a criminal offence. Be glad they weren't thrown in prison.
A very poisoned outlook on matchfixing bans that I hate seeing surface every now and then. These professionals should know better.
An SC2 with a known matchfixer playing is an SC2 that invites dozens of known matchfixers until no game is sacred any more.
I still think that there should be the possibility of redemption for matchfixers in rare cases and only when said matchfixers really started to pubicly speak out and help against matchfixing and to help the scene overall. Than maybe, someone could be allowed to play again. Not that this would be a likely scenario but I really don't like that categorial "never ever under no circumstances"-attitude. I don't think that rare exceptions made possible by an exceptional way of redemption and good will for the scene would hurt the integrity of the scene.
Of course there is a road to redemption, there has been multiple cases of players being banned indefinitely (not sc2) and then unbanned. However you make it sound like it should be "Hi Life, you are banned forever but if you do X, Y and Z and really mean those things we will let you play again". Thats not right, thats not real redemption, thats us telling them what they need to do to get to play again and then them doing that. Its the whole "say you're sorry" thing, when they do of course they don't mean it because you told them to say it.
Life could have started streaming, he could have started doing a lot for the scene and kept doing it for a long time. Maybe he could have been accepted back, he never tried so of course he will not be welcomed back. Redemption needs to be earned not coached towards.
Also only kespa (a private company that does whatever they wished) banned Life forever, Blizzard never gave a statement so there isn't even anything to really discuss here. He wasn't even banned, big deal if he made a come back right now that he cant play in kespas stuff xD
Considering blizzard stripped his world championship title, i think it's pretty clear where they stand on life playing again
They have a pretty clear stance indeed. It goes approximately like this: Life? Who?
Hey in other news opisska, want a sig bet on whether a foriegner wins WESG? (I think the odds are firmly in Korean favor, but I can throw you a bone here, and there's still a reasonable chance that Scarlett, Neeb, or Serral take the whole thing down, plus you need a chance to regain your honor anyways).
Honestly, I don't really follow it, so it won't be that much fun. Let's cross forces at some less obscure tourney in the future
On March 14 2019 02:20 IshinShishi wrote: I strongly believe that the people that think that there's a chance this isn't a match fix just don't understand the evidence we already have, they either haven't seen it or can't grasp it at all.
My thoughts too. A real head-scratcher.. I mean, How naive/clueless can you be exactly..?
Here's a nice story. A dude comes back from a work trip and finds used condoms under his bed and a belt he is sure isnt his, the room reeks of sex. When he confronts his wife with what he has seen he sees a red mark on her neck, but she says she lent the room to her dear friend Laura, our dude then said that since he saw no definitive proof it didnt happen, then he kissed his wife and went to bed for some deserved peaceful sleep.
On March 14 2019 02:47 BlingBlang wrote: Marine King and Innovation definitely match-fixed towards the end of Proleague (both were in a slump and the games were dodgy too although the odds movement is almost 100% proof).
I almost hope we find out Innovation match fixed a game at one point because then it would be excessively difficult for people to argue that lifebans are good for the game. It's pretty obvious that Starcraft with Innovation playing and a match-fix at one time in the past is much better than Starcraft with no Innovation since the end of Proleague.
I've seen this argument made for CSGO too and again it needs to be said, no talent is ever worth the loss of integrity. If the legitimacy of the games ever comes into doubt, what's the point of even watching.
When the entire image of the scene is at stake, lifetime bans are more than warranted. Sponsors don't want to be associated with a tainted game, so a match-fixer would've endangered the livelihood of many more people than just himself. Not to mention (assisting with) stealing money is a criminal offence. Be glad they weren't thrown in prison.
A very poisoned outlook on matchfixing bans that I hate seeing surface every now and then. These professionals should know better.
An SC2 with a known matchfixer playing is an SC2 that invites dozens of known matchfixers until no game is sacred any more.
No it's not, this makes no sense. People will be lured into matchfixing no matter how getting caught is punished. Just make getting caught very expensive and you'll get the same level of disincentive without the loss of talent.
You know why Life got busted? Because prosecutors followed the money and discovered that he was paid for what he did. Boom, there's your permaban, your court sentence, your career and legacy disgraced.
Losing isn't a crime. Being an idiot isn't a crime. Playing hungover isn't a crime. And TL is not a court of law. The movement of betting lines is a far more solid source of suspicion than anything Macsed did in-game. And yes, I agree that it looks suspicious. Suspicion != proof.
The truth will not be found by poring over replays and flaming people online. A proper investigation deals in facts, not hysteria, and is conducted by professionals, not forum vigilantes. Macsed is already under scrutiny, so the only thing we as fans need to do is wait for the answers.
Maybe he's guilty, maybe he's innocent. Jumping to either of those conclusions based on the limited and circumstantial evidence available, is simply idiotic (and incidentally, a great example of why legal systems, standards of proof, and courts of law exist in the first place).
The fact is very suspicious and the evidence seems strongly against MacSed; in any of case, you cannot say that there was matchfixing before further investigations will it. We are not here to judge in advance.
1.) macsed cannon rushes for some reason, despite being vs a player he will NEVER lose to if he plays straightforward and carefully
2.) he sends his probe, and then immediately reveals his second probe (basically announcing that he is doing a cannon rush)
3.) doesn't cancel the cannon (i think?) that for some reason he builds in a spot for the zealot to safely kill
4.) he then loses both probes somehow, despite that being literally the most important thing to not have happen when executing a cannon rush, and incredibly easy to avoid
5.) despite knowing his opponent is proxy gating he doesn't wall in. he literally has extra money sitting there he's doing nothing with it but despite that he only builds one gateway that doesn't wall in above his ramp
6.) he then builds a CANNON in the face of the zealot, obviously knowing it will just die
7.) doesn't even try to re-wall when the zealot gets in.
8.) 10 seconds later or so tries to build another CANNON which will obviously just die again
9.) the best part in the entire game is when he fights the zealots with the probes. "hey look at my awesome probe micro, gonna get these zealots, I'm not gonna give up yet!". "keep fighting! I can still come back". "Oh wait the zealots are almost dead i guess i will just randomly run around with my probes instead of killing them"
On March 14 2019 06:37 DSh1 wrote: That being said, I am still of the opinion that match fixing should be legalized. Although it is not how players should behave.
???????????
Unless you mean it should be "taken into consideration by the legal system" aka the police should look into it?
Yeah I didn't get that either. Competitive sports/games operate under the assumption that people try their hardest to win. Anything that alters that in any way makes it pointless.
For what I believe, playing like an idiot and losing a game, or even throwing a game is not a crime, or at least, it cannot be called "match fixing". It is hard to legally to prove intent from replay alone. What is crime is receiving money or some other benefits for losing. Any investigation would follow the money first.
Honestly speaking, there is nothing wrong with a player throwing a game by themselves. That's fine. That's their decision. The problem comes when they did so because of match fixing for their own of for the benefit of organised crime. I cannot say whether macsed is involved in matchfixing, though it certainly looks that way. teamliquid forum is not a court of law, so I don't know why people are asking we act as if we are help to the same standards as if we are national police. What boggles my mind are those who say that he did not deliberately lose the game.
He most certainly did choose to lose the game, beyond all reasonable doubt. There's is simply no way to describe the terrible decisions in the game and at the end, he chose not to kill the two surrounded zealots that both only needed 1 more second to die. Not even a bronze level player would do that, if only because it takes a conscious decision and physical actions to pull the probes away before they can kill the zealots.
On March 14 2019 02:47 BlingBlang wrote: Marine King and Innovation definitely match-fixed towards the end of Proleague (both were in a slump and the games were dodgy too although the odds movement is almost 100% proof).
I almost hope we find out Innovation match fixed a game at one point because then it would be excessively difficult for people to argue that lifebans are good for the game. It's pretty obvious that Starcraft with Innovation playing and a match-fix at one time in the past is much better than Starcraft with no Innovation since the end of Proleague.
I've seen this argument made for CSGO too and again it needs to be said, no talent is ever worth the loss of integrity. If the legitimacy of the games ever comes into doubt, what's the point of even watching.
When the entire image of the scene is at stake, lifetime bans are more than warranted. Sponsors don't want to be associated with a tainted game, so a match-fixer would've endangered the livelihood of many more people than just himself. Not to mention (assisting with) stealing money is a criminal offence. Be glad they weren't thrown in prison.
A very poisoned outlook on matchfixing bans that I hate seeing surface every now and then. These professionals should know better.
An SC2 with a known matchfixer playing is an SC2 that invites dozens of known matchfixers until no game is sacred any more.
No it's not, this makes no sense. People will be lured into matchfixing no matter how getting caught is punished. Just make getting caught very expensive and you'll get the same level of disincentive without the loss of talent.
Its not about sending a message "don't do this because then you get punished" its about the integrity of the sport. The reason matchfixing is a huge deal in sports is because it literally kills the sport. The reason professional sports exist is because there is viewers, viewers pay money, buy merchandise and because there are viewers teams get sponsors and companies gets money through commercials.
Viewers are there because they are excited about the competitive side, teams and companies spends tons of money getting viewers invested. Invested in the outcome of matches, invested in teams, players or whatever. This is why world cups are so huge, because cheering for your own country is an effective way to get viewers invested. Now listen closely, it doesn't matter if its true or not, if viewers believe that the outcome of matches are determined from the start and that it isn't a real competitive game they will not watch the games. That is how professional sport scenes die, no viewers, no money, no money no players, no players no sport.
Letting a player continue to play that we as a viewers know have matchfixed will effect the whole scene and the viewers. When that player loses it will always be there in our minds, the voice that says "he matchfixed once, nothing to say he wouldn't do it again". As we all know if you are suspicious a players is trying to lose you will find mistakes, because you cant help looking for them. This will ruin the whole experience for viewers and the sport will suffer for it.
On March 14 2019 06:14 pvsnp wrote: You know why Life got busted? Because prosecutors followed the money and discovered that he was paid for what he did. Boom, there's your permaban, your court sentence, your career and legacy disgraced.
Losing isn't a crime. Being an idiot isn't a crime. Playing hungover isn't a crime. And TL is not a court of law. The movement of betting lines is a far more solid source of suspicion than anything Macsed did in-game. And yes, I agree that it looks suspicious. Suspicion != proof.
The truth will not be found by poring over replays and flaming people online. A proper investigation deals in facts, not hysteria, and is conducted by professionals, not forum vigilantes. Macsed is already under scrutiny, so the only thing we as fans need to do is wait for the answers.
Maybe he's guilty, maybe he's innocent. Jumping to either of those conclusions based on the limited and circumstantial evidence available, is simply idiotic (and incidentally, a great example of why legal systems, standards of proof, and courts of law exist in the first place).
You are naive, you believe there will always be a money trail to follow. There are ways to circumvent that, what has gotten people convicted is when the actual people behind the matchfixing gets caught. The chat history and stuff like that. If you are careful there are ways to make all of that evidence pretty much impossible to find.
So here we are, with obvious matchfixers and a problem in our sport but we can't prove anything. We don't even know is chinese police is even looking into it but even if they did chances are it wouldn't be traceable.
So we have a few choices, accept the matchfixing "because we cant really prove it", tell everyone their innocent unless convicted and we will end up with all of us "knowing" matchfixing is rampant but that nothing is being done to stop it. I mean come on even you posters who dont want to clearly say that he is guilty thinks he is guilty. Its just obvious. Lets say we see the same thing happen every 5th or so game in the future, what to do. They are matchfixing but we cant "prove" it, we will lose interest in the tournaments, we will slowly but surely stop following as closely as we were and the scene will slowly "die".
Our other choice is to hope organizers take this seriously and that we do to, this is matchfixing and we should absolutely not accept it. It would be the nothing but bad for the scene we all love.
On March 14 2019 07:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Honestly speaking, there is nothing wrong with a player throwing a game by themselves. That's fine. That's their decision. The problem comes when they did so because of match fixing for their own of for the benefit of organised crime. I cannot say whether macsed is involved in matchfixing, though it certainly looks that way. teamliquid forum is not a court of law, so I don't know why people are asking we act as if we are help to the same standards as if we are national police. What boggles my mind are those who say that he did not deliberately lose the game.
He most certainly did choose to lose the game, beyond all reasonable doubt. There's is simply no way to describe the terrible decision in the game and at the end, he chose not to kill the two surrounded zealots that both only needed 1 more second to die. Not even a bronze level player would do that, if only because it takes a conscious decision and physical actions to pull the probes away before they can kill the zealots.
I agree but the thing is there is no reason to throw the game other than matchfixing. He'd be better to destroy the guy real quick and have more time to prepare for his next matches instead of wasting his time throwing a game. There's no incentive to throw a game other than a matchfix.
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