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This is not hte first time a foreigner was considered one of the favorites heading into Blizzcon. Neeb was also considered a favorite heading into 2016. Worth remembering how badly he got owned by Dark and then in 2017 got bopped by soO and lost in groups.
I don't hate foreigners: Scarlett is possibly my favorite player and I also like Reynor and Special. These players have never been overhyped and they've never had screaching fanboys that defy reason. When Scarlett gets hyped its because her results, just like the hype that Koreans get. Serral, however, is considered to be better than Classic even though Classic has had more impressive results this year (including winning a much more prestigous Korean tournament than Serral did). This causes people to root against Serral (just like people rooted against Neeb and still do to this day - poor guy).
If you love a player, don't overhype them - it's as simple as that.
p.s. don't respond to this post because I will not be engaging the serral fangirls in this thread. I'm not interested in what you're selling.
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Finland904 Posts
On October 20 2018 00:38 Rodya wrote:
p.s. don't respond to this post because I will not be engaging the serral fangirls in this thread. I'm not interested in what you're selling.
Then why are you posting?
On October 19 2018 21:53 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2018 17:28 TrashPanda wrote:On October 19 2018 17:15 Philozovic wrote:On October 19 2018 07:44 BisuDagger wrote:
Serral has the win percentages to rival Flash level dominance. If he closes out the year with a gold he will become Taeja as the new best player to not win a GSL. He really must compete in GSL next year while he has a hot hand. soO soO, sOs, Rogue, TY, ... all above Serral if you're just looking for the title "best player that hasn't won a GSL" Marineking
Oh, come on!
e: I was talking with Serral's dad last year after we left Anaheim, and back then he said that the only thing holding Serral back is a mental block. He predicted that if Serral were to win just one bigger offline event (tiny Finnish tournaments don't really count), he'd go on a rampage. He absolutely nailed that prediction.
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On October 20 2018 00:02 Terra1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2018 23:50 youngjiddle wrote:
Korean fanboys will forever be cheering against foreigners.
There is some weird, psychology of self loathing people have towards their own region's players here on TL, maybe because people have become disappointed by foreigners lose to Koreans so many times. Maybe because they are tired of people saying "we'll beat the Koreans this time" and it never happens.
Serral will prove everyone wrong, hopefully. Thank you, region lock. I hope you're right. I want to believe that Serral can do it, at least reach the semis of Blizzcon This is just what I think and see from the comments these fanboys post though but the fanboys want some factors here to tell that Serral can win vs the best Koreans: -It should be in the GSL tournament, to show that even Serral will have a hard time to win vs them, especially in their good forms -Weekend tournaments like GSL vs the World isn't counted because most of the players there didn't took the tournament seriously (I found it strange because Dark, who's crushing foreigners except for Elazer last year, got defeated by Serral 3-1, then by Innovation, both of them are either not serious or out of form). They want a fair advantage for each player -4x WCS championship wins aren't as strong as 3x GSL championships because the intensity of GSL is far higher than WCS This is why we see some comments in the power rank are not impressed with Serral being at #2 and they rate TY, Rogue, Stats and Classic a bit higher than Serral. Serral can defeat Koreans but not all of the best. He did beat Classic and Zest (though both have sucky PvZs), Rogue and Impact (close I think in IEM)
Those arguments don't make much sense though.
- Blaming the format is not an excuse for losing. If you're the best you should be able to win in a 1v1 game. Koreans used to come overseas and destroy in weekend tournaments. So now all the sudden Serral's wins don't mean as much because he played a week long tournament in Korea? So if serral failed at GSL vs the world, could I have blamed "jetlag" and "the format"? nah. no johns.
If you want to go to homestory and say hey, I lost because I think the format of playing on the next balance patch favored protoss at the time, then fine, that's completely different. I'm tired of people saying some prepared match format is the ONLY and TRUE way to determine someone's skill in the game.
- You could argue that Serral would be even better in the gsl style tournament. He plays a reactionary style extremely well, not a weird style that might sneak a weekend win. He could adjust to whatever weird builds are prepared against him.
- I don't see any good argument to say that those four players TY, Rogue, Stats and Classic are better than better than Serral. There just isn't enough data to show that GSL vs the world was a fluke, to say that Serral's WCS wins mean nothing, to say that serral would lose to them, ect.
- lastly, saying gsl players didn't take GSL vs the world "seriously" is korean fanboys making an embarrassing excuse for the poor performance of their favorite korean players vs. the one foreigner who actual won some games. You don't get to say what the korean's were thinking, that's a load of BS.
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Austria24416 Posts
On October 20 2018 00:47 hexhaven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 00:38 Rodya wrote:
p.s. don't respond to this post because I will not be engaging the serral fangirls in this thread. I'm not interested in what you're selling. Then why are you posting? Show nested quote +On October 19 2018 21:53 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2018 17:28 TrashPanda wrote:On October 19 2018 17:15 Philozovic wrote:On October 19 2018 07:44 BisuDagger wrote:
Serral has the win percentages to rival Flash level dominance. If he closes out the year with a gold he will become Taeja as the new best player to not win a GSL. He really must compete in GSL next year while he has a hot hand. soO soO, sOs, Rogue, TY, ... all above Serral if you're just looking for the title "best player that hasn't won a GSL" Marineking Oh, come on!
Cites Marineking but not LiquidHerO. Time for another article ;(
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On October 20 2018 00:49 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 00:47 hexhaven wrote:On October 20 2018 00:38 Rodya wrote:
p.s. don't respond to this post because I will not be engaging the serral fangirls in this thread. I'm not interested in what you're selling. Then why are you posting? On October 19 2018 21:53 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2018 17:28 TrashPanda wrote:On October 19 2018 17:15 Philozovic wrote:On October 19 2018 07:44 BisuDagger wrote:
Serral has the win percentages to rival Flash level dominance. If he closes out the year with a gold he will become Taeja as the new best player to not win a GSL. He really must compete in GSL next year while he has a hot hand. soO soO, sOs, Rogue, TY, ... all above Serral if you're just looking for the title "best player that hasn't won a GSL" Marineking Oh, come on! Cites Marineking but not LiquidHerO. Time for another article ;(
How many GSL finals was MKP in? How many was HerO in? 
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On October 20 2018 00:47 youngjiddle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 00:02 Terra1 wrote:On October 19 2018 23:50 youngjiddle wrote:
Korean fanboys will forever be cheering against foreigners.
There is some weird, psychology of self loathing people have towards their own region's players here on TL, maybe because people have become disappointed by foreigners lose to Koreans so many times. Maybe because they are tired of people saying "we'll beat the Koreans this time" and it never happens.
Serral will prove everyone wrong, hopefully. Thank you, region lock. I hope you're right. I want to believe that Serral can do it, at least reach the semis of Blizzcon This is just what I think and see from the comments these fanboys post though but the fanboys want some factors here to tell that Serral can win vs the best Koreans: -It should be in the GSL tournament, to show that even Serral will have a hard time to win vs them, especially in their good forms -Weekend tournaments like GSL vs the World isn't counted because most of the players there didn't took the tournament seriously (I found it strange because Dark, who's crushing foreigners except for Elazer last year, got defeated by Serral 3-1, then by Innovation, both of them are either not serious or out of form). They want a fair advantage for each player -4x WCS championship wins aren't as strong as 3x GSL championships because the intensity of GSL is far higher than WCS This is why we see some comments in the power rank are not impressed with Serral being at #2 and they rate TY, Rogue, Stats and Classic a bit higher than Serral. Serral can defeat Koreans but not all of the best. He did beat Classic and Zest (though both have sucky PvZs), Rogue and Impact (close I think in IEM) - Blaming the format is not an excuse for losing.
It's not, but it's a valid point against someone if they only win in the format that's considered more volatile. And there are a lot of critisms of the GSL vs The World format. Especially the voting part (let's be honest INno, Has, Kelazur etc didn't really deserve spots).
It's not a foreigner vs korean thing either. People do the same (and rightly so) for players like Taeja and Rogue.
As far as them not taking GSL vs The World seriously, it's hard to tell. Maru said he didn't practice, but guys like Stats and Dark normally try their best in every event they play. The more relevent point is whether they took Serral seriously. INno said he didn't do much about him before they played, Dark was doing his normal "foreigners are LUL" thing (although that's probably an act).
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On October 20 2018 00:47 hexhaven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 00:38 Rodya wrote:
p.s. don't respond to this post because I will not be engaging the serral fangirls in this thread. I'm not interested in what you're selling. Then why are you posting?
Trolls famish unless they're fed.
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On October 20 2018 00:47 youngjiddle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 00:02 Terra1 wrote:On October 19 2018 23:50 youngjiddle wrote:
Korean fanboys will forever be cheering against foreigners.
There is some weird, psychology of self loathing people have towards their own region's players here on TL, maybe because people have become disappointed by foreigners lose to Koreans so many times. Maybe because they are tired of people saying "we'll beat the Koreans this time" and it never happens.
Serral will prove everyone wrong, hopefully. Thank you, region lock. I hope you're right. I want to believe that Serral can do it, at least reach the semis of Blizzcon This is just what I think and see from the comments these fanboys post though but the fanboys want some factors here to tell that Serral can win vs the best Koreans: -It should be in the GSL tournament, to show that even Serral will have a hard time to win vs them, especially in their good forms -Weekend tournaments like GSL vs the World isn't counted because most of the players there didn't took the tournament seriously (I found it strange because Dark, who's crushing foreigners except for Elazer last year, got defeated by Serral 3-1, then by Innovation, both of them are either not serious or out of form). They want a fair advantage for each player -4x WCS championship wins aren't as strong as 3x GSL championships because the intensity of GSL is far higher than WCS This is why we see some comments in the power rank are not impressed with Serral being at #2 and they rate TY, Rogue, Stats and Classic a bit higher than Serral. Serral can defeat Koreans but not all of the best. He did beat Classic and Zest (though both have sucky PvZs), Rogue and Impact (close I think in IEM) Those arguments don't make much sense though. - Blaming the format is not an excuse for losing. If you're the best you should be able to win in a 1v1 game. Koreans used to come overseas and destroy in weekend tournaments. So now all the sudden Serral's wins don't mean as much because he played a week long tournament in Korea? So if serral failed at GSL vs the world, could I have blamed "jetlag" and "the format"? nah. no johns. If you want to go to homestory and say hey, I lost because I think the format of playing on the next balance patch favored protoss at the time, then fine, that's completely different. I'm tired of people saying some prepared match format is the ONLY and TRUE way to determine someone's skill in the game. - You could argue that Serral would be even better in the gsl style tournament. He plays a reactionary style extremely well, not a weird style that might sneak a weekend win. He could adjust to whatever weird builds are prepared against him. - I don't see any good argument to say that those four players TY, Rogue, Stats and Classic are better than better than Serral. There just isn't enough data to show that GSL vs the world was a fluke, to say that Serral's WCS wins mean nothing, to say that serral would lose to them, ect. - lastly, saying gsl players didn't take GSL vs the world "seriously" is korean fanboys making an embarrassing excuse for the poor performance of their favorite korean players vs. the one foreigner who actual won some games. You don't get to say what the korean's were thinking, that's a load of BS.
You could argue..if you like to do so based on no factual information whatsoever..since he chose to stay in the minor leagues instead of manning up in the real gsl like a bunch of other "less hype" foreigners did. Its well known that the tournaments between code s are much less prepared for because they dont mean nearly as much. Good arguements to say that all those players are better would be their consistent good showing in gsl. Classic 3 0d him at katowice and then went on to lose 4 0 to rogue in the final... maru 3 0d him at wesg and then played a super close 4 3 w dark...these are both tournaments with weaker but comparable fields to blizzcon (due to region lock) . Stats only failed to reach ro8 one season this year in code s and made a final... there are plenty of reasons. Region lock itself is the main reason you have people pissed off regarding foreigners. Just because i am a foreigner doesnt mean i cant see how unfair and shitty it is for the korean players. The fact that deluded individuals get on here and overhype and glorify the mediocrity of the foreign scene just pours fuel on the fire. My favorite player of all time is stephano.. he showed us that it is possible to compete with the best in a fair system. Best moment was when he showed up @ kespa and said gl hf and his opponent replied to prevent the DQ out of respect. He went on to win the game if i recall correctly. Until serral puts the big boy pants on and plays code s he wont have the same type of respect period.
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Austria24416 Posts
On October 20 2018 01:04 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 00:49 Olli wrote:On October 20 2018 00:47 hexhaven wrote:On October 20 2018 00:38 Rodya wrote:
p.s. don't respond to this post because I will not be engaging the serral fangirls in this thread. I'm not interested in what you're selling. Then why are you posting? On October 19 2018 21:53 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2018 17:28 TrashPanda wrote:On October 19 2018 17:15 Philozovic wrote:On October 19 2018 07:44 BisuDagger wrote:
Serral has the win percentages to rival Flash level dominance. If he closes out the year with a gold he will become Taeja as the new best player to not win a GSL. He really must compete in GSL next year while he has a hot hand. soO soO, sOs, Rogue, TY, ... all above Serral if you're just looking for the title "best player that hasn't won a GSL" Marineking Oh, come on! Cites Marineking but not LiquidHerO. Time for another article ;( How many GSL finals was MKP in? How many was HerO in?
I'll take HerO's 5 tournament wins over Marineking's 2 
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On October 20 2018 01:11 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 01:04 Elentos wrote:On October 20 2018 00:49 Olli wrote:On October 20 2018 00:47 hexhaven wrote:On October 20 2018 00:38 Rodya wrote:
p.s. don't respond to this post because I will not be engaging the serral fangirls in this thread. I'm not interested in what you're selling. Then why are you posting? On October 19 2018 21:53 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2018 17:28 TrashPanda wrote:On October 19 2018 17:15 Philozovic wrote:On October 19 2018 07:44 BisuDagger wrote:
Serral has the win percentages to rival Flash level dominance. If he closes out the year with a gold he will become Taeja as the new best player to not win a GSL. He really must compete in GSL next year while he has a hot hand. soO soO, sOs, Rogue, TY, ... all above Serral if you're just looking for the title "best player that hasn't won a GSL" Marineking Oh, come on! Cites Marineking but not LiquidHerO. Time for another article ;( How many GSL finals was MKP in? How many was HerO in? I'll take HerO's 5 tournament wins over Marineking's 2
You guys are all forgetting about Clide, the best Terran to ever touch a keyboard.
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Czech Republic12127 Posts
On October 19 2018 14:45 Drfilip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2018 10:12 Shuffleblade wrote:On October 19 2018 09:59 Dave4 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 19 2018 09:29 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2018 09:04 Dave4 wrote:On October 19 2018 08:03 Shuffleblade wrote:On October 19 2018 06:52 Dave4 wrote:On October 19 2018 06:18 Shuffleblade wrote:On October 19 2018 04:53 kajtarp wrote:
I dont want to be the bad guy here, but i'm afraid he won't even make it out of the group phase. Well most foreigners are in a pretty tough situation seeing as there's 2 koreans in every group and every korean is killer good(personal opinion). I would say Serral got one of if not the easiest group though(only looking at koreans). Edit: Dave4, as "some point out", you mean as you point out.... -_- Also even if every single GSL would have been won by a different players Serral still wouldn't be regarded as best in the world. Since GSL vs the world is far from enough to prove that, and to be honest thats the only tournament worth mentioning if we are discussing best player in the world. Doesn't matter if he wins 20 foreigner events in a row, still not best in the world. On the contrary, his achievements are remarkable in a game as volatile as Starcraft. soO is the only player with a winning record against him this entire year. Although I understand that the Swedish may have trouble accepting a Finnish phenom. You're babbling. On the contrary to what? Me saying foreigner tournament wins doesn't make the greatest player in the world? You believe that the winners of foreigner tournaments are whats important and that it is GSLs that doesn't matter? So your argument is that contrary to what I say you believe that the player that wins the most foreigner tournaments are the greatest player in the world? Or did not mean anything by the "On the contrary" and only used it because it sounds cool without knowing what it means? Never said his achivements are not remarkable, they are amazing I agree with that. Something being amazingly awesometastic doesn't automaticall make him the best player in the world, nor does me saying what I said mean that I don't think he's awesome. Interesting that the only thing you answered was meaningless babble followed by how my opinion is obviously colored because of my nationality... Please if you are going to reply try to put more effort into it than calling me out for being Swedish like there is something wrong with that. For the record Finland is basically Sweden, just as cool but weirder language, if anything I cheer for him harder because he is nordic. (Note that this absolutely irrelevent to the argument of if a player is the best in the world or not, my nationality is not a valid argument in any direction) Edit: Just to be thourough, his win record is pretty irrelevant since the only time he has played against the best players in the world was one tournament. Very possible Neeb had a similar score last year, was he the best player in the world. Hardly. You misjudge me sir, I mean no disrespect. It is much like us Australians have a rivalry with New Zealand, I would expect a similar nation wars rivalry between your countries. Regarding my use of the phrase 'on the contrary', on the contrary to your beliefs I do in fact know its meaning and how to use it. I do however agree that it sounds cool and will take that as a compliment. I was saying on the contrary to your entire argument that Serrals achievements are not worth mentioning in the 'best player's discussions - of course they are, they are regarded as premier tournaments for a reason. His GSL win in particular was against the world's best players and I don't buy the 'oh they don't care about it' argument with a prize pool like that, it's essentially the mini-Blizzcon. I see that you've backtracked your stance a little bit, but I think you can open your mind a little further and see that these tournaments are filled with people who have given their careers and lives to this game, and discrediting the entire foreign scene and then passing off their achievements against both foreign and Korean competition as essentially meaningless could be construed as insulting. Sorry for coming off as condescending, however your arguments are to my eyes skewed and many times illogical. They don't make sense. So you think the best player in the world shouldn't be the player with the highest skill in the game, that comes across quite clearly. You think that how the best player in the world is defined should also take into consideration weaker players feelings? Of course Serral is the best player in the world, of course the matches against other foreigners count because saying otherwise would be insulting those foreign players and they would be... sad? I mean seriously what does their feelings have to do with if someone is the best player in the world or not. The top korean pros are more skilled the top foreign player and that is a fact, just look at the map scores, thats why the best player in the world is not the one that wins the most against the weaker players but the one that wins the most against the best players in the world. Feel free to disagree. Serrals mapscore(according to aligulac compared to korean blizzcon players) Serral 3-3 Maru Serral 1-2 TYSerral 3-4 ClassicSerral 4-3 Stats Serral 5-1 Zest Serral 2-2 Rogue Serral 3-6 DarkSerral 21-21 Korean blizzcon players Serral is awesome but your bold claim earlier does not seem to be backed up the facts(aligulac). I have not backtracked at all, all I've said from the start is that Serral is not best in the world and he wouldn't be close to considered best in the world even if all three different GSLs had different winners. If Serral crushed it at Blizzcon I would be really happy I love his play (even though I love Marus play more xD) but however you cut it its too early to raise him to the skies the way you do every chance you get. Serral has his chance to prove he is the best and we will see how it goes, until then maybe stick to the facts. Hi Shuffleblade, Just so you know, Aligulac is pretty powerful and you can use it to filter results - that'll let you exclude the 2013-2017 results that you may consider not particularly relevant to the 'who is the best player of 2018' argument. Feel free to disagree though, I know my method might seem a bit illogical to you. Sorry if that came off condescending. Yeah, thanks for pointing that out, was a stupid mistake. Glad you found something you could point out since you seem unable to comment on anything besides the factual mistake. Anyway, no point continuing this. I'm hype for Blizzcon, Maru, Serral and TY especially. Hope for great games, lots of views and wild discussions on TL. Since the factual stuff seems important, I think I'll comment on this reply thread. Sorting by vs Koreans, Maru is 38-19 since last BlizzCon, while Serral is 13-5. Serral has a higher win rate vs Koreans than Maru, though he has played fewer matches. Serral also have the higher win rate in games (60% vs 59%). Again, fewer games played (52 vs 182). If we only count Koreans that have qualified for the global finals we get: 7-2 in matches and 17-12 in games for Serral. 14-9 in matches and 53-43 in games. Serral has a higher win rate in both matches and in games. + Show Spoiler + This is my count for the win rate vs the global finalist Koreans.
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l www l www l ww w w l w l w l l w l l w I get the impression that most people think Maru is the best. Just looking at the win rates, Serral has a higher win rate overall, a higher win rate vs Koreans, a higher win rate vs the global finalists and Serral is leading the head-to-head vs Maru (2-1 in matches, 3-3 in games) since the last BlizzCon. Those are facts. Use the facts as you will, but you can't change them. I could not find a single way to make Maru seem superior, other than looking at win rates vs specific players (whic is totally arbitrary). Important to note: I think that Maru is the better player, but Serral is VERY good as well.
I saw 4 birds today, all of them being hawks, therefor every bird is a hawk.
Let's ignore the obvious generalisation fail, but I would suggest to take low sample statistics with a big grain of salw ;-)
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On October 20 2018 01:11 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 01:04 Elentos wrote:On October 20 2018 00:49 Olli wrote:On October 20 2018 00:47 hexhaven wrote:On October 20 2018 00:38 Rodya wrote:
p.s. don't respond to this post because I will not be engaging the serral fangirls in this thread. I'm not interested in what you're selling. Then why are you posting? On October 19 2018 21:53 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2018 17:28 TrashPanda wrote:On October 19 2018 17:15 Philozovic wrote:On October 19 2018 07:44 BisuDagger wrote:
Serral has the win percentages to rival Flash level dominance. If he closes out the year with a gold he will become Taeja as the new best player to not win a GSL. He really must compete in GSL next year while he has a hot hand. soO soO, sOs, Rogue, TY, ... all above Serral if you're just looking for the title "best player that hasn't won a GSL" Marineking Oh, come on! Cites Marineking but not LiquidHerO. Time for another article ;( How many GSL finals was MKP in? How many was HerO in? I'll take HerO's 5 tournament wins over Marineking's 2
HerO has won 5 tournaments and made Code S playoffs twice. MKP has won 2 tournaments and made Code S playoffs 5 times. A perfect match.
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Finland904 Posts
On October 20 2018 01:20 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 01:11 Olli wrote:On October 20 2018 01:04 Elentos wrote:On October 20 2018 00:49 Olli wrote:On October 20 2018 00:47 hexhaven wrote:On October 20 2018 00:38 Rodya wrote:
p.s. don't respond to this post because I will not be engaging the serral fangirls in this thread. I'm not interested in what you're selling. Then why are you posting? On October 19 2018 21:53 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2018 17:28 TrashPanda wrote:On October 19 2018 17:15 Philozovic wrote:On October 19 2018 07:44 BisuDagger wrote:
Serral has the win percentages to rival Flash level dominance. If he closes out the year with a gold he will become Taeja as the new best player to not win a GSL. He really must compete in GSL next year while he has a hot hand. soO soO, sOs, Rogue, TY, ... all above Serral if you're just looking for the title "best player that hasn't won a GSL" Marineking Oh, come on! Cites Marineking but not LiquidHerO. Time for another article ;( How many GSL finals was MKP in? How many was HerO in? I'll take HerO's 5 tournament wins over Marineking's 2 HerO has won 5 tournaments and made Code S playoffs twice. MKP has won 2 tournaments and made Code S playoffs 5 times. A perfect match.
Are you saying MKP is the evil twin of TaeJa? The Mirror World version?
You take that back!
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On October 20 2018 01:27 hexhaven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 01:20 Elentos wrote:On October 20 2018 01:11 Olli wrote:On October 20 2018 01:04 Elentos wrote:On October 20 2018 00:49 Olli wrote:On October 20 2018 00:47 hexhaven wrote:On October 20 2018 00:38 Rodya wrote:
p.s. don't respond to this post because I will not be engaging the serral fangirls in this thread. I'm not interested in what you're selling. Then why are you posting? On October 19 2018 21:53 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2018 17:28 TrashPanda wrote:On October 19 2018 17:15 Philozovic wrote:On October 19 2018 07:44 BisuDagger wrote:
Serral has the win percentages to rival Flash level dominance. If he closes out the year with a gold he will become Taeja as the new best player to not win a GSL. He really must compete in GSL next year while he has a hot hand. soO soO, sOs, Rogue, TY, ... all above Serral if you're just looking for the title "best player that hasn't won a GSL" Marineking Oh, come on! Cites Marineking but not LiquidHerO. Time for another article ;( How many GSL finals was MKP in? How many was HerO in? I'll take HerO's 5 tournament wins over Marineking's 2 HerO has won 5 tournaments and made Code S playoffs twice. MKP has won 2 tournaments and made Code S playoffs 5 times. A perfect match. Are you saying MKP is the evil twin of TaeJa? The Mirror World version? You take that back!
After all these years it turns out PirateTerran wasn't TaeJa after all...
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France12750 Posts
MKP most entertaining terran of WoL, the memories
Zest should be easy so Serral is probably fine but the first seed should be a match with $0$ trolling a blizzcon win
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On October 20 2018 01:11 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 00:47 youngjiddle wrote:On October 20 2018 00:02 Terra1 wrote:On October 19 2018 23:50 youngjiddle wrote:
Korean fanboys will forever be cheering against foreigners.
There is some weird, psychology of self loathing people have towards their own region's players here on TL, maybe because people have become disappointed by foreigners lose to Koreans so many times. Maybe because they are tired of people saying "we'll beat the Koreans this time" and it never happens.
Serral will prove everyone wrong, hopefully. Thank you, region lock. I hope you're right. I want to believe that Serral can do it, at least reach the semis of Blizzcon This is just what I think and see from the comments these fanboys post though but the fanboys want some factors here to tell that Serral can win vs the best Koreans: -It should be in the GSL tournament, to show that even Serral will have a hard time to win vs them, especially in their good forms -Weekend tournaments like GSL vs the World isn't counted because most of the players there didn't took the tournament seriously (I found it strange because Dark, who's crushing foreigners except for Elazer last year, got defeated by Serral 3-1, then by Innovation, both of them are either not serious or out of form). They want a fair advantage for each player -4x WCS championship wins aren't as strong as 3x GSL championships because the intensity of GSL is far higher than WCS This is why we see some comments in the power rank are not impressed with Serral being at #2 and they rate TY, Rogue, Stats and Classic a bit higher than Serral. Serral can defeat Koreans but not all of the best. He did beat Classic and Zest (though both have sucky PvZs), Rogue and Impact (close I think in IEM) Those arguments don't make much sense though. - Blaming the format is not an excuse for losing. If you're the best you should be able to win in a 1v1 game. Koreans used to come overseas and destroy in weekend tournaments. So now all the sudden Serral's wins don't mean as much because he played a week long tournament in Korea? So if serral failed at GSL vs the world, could I have blamed "jetlag" and "the format"? nah. no johns. If you want to go to homestory and say hey, I lost because I think the format of playing on the next balance patch favored protoss at the time, then fine, that's completely different. I'm tired of people saying some prepared match format is the ONLY and TRUE way to determine someone's skill in the game. - You could argue that Serral would be even better in the gsl style tournament. He plays a reactionary style extremely well, not a weird style that might sneak a weekend win. He could adjust to whatever weird builds are prepared against him. - I don't see any good argument to say that those four players TY, Rogue, Stats and Classic are better than better than Serral. There just isn't enough data to show that GSL vs the world was a fluke, to say that Serral's WCS wins mean nothing, to say that serral would lose to them, ect. - lastly, saying gsl players didn't take GSL vs the world "seriously" is korean fanboys making an embarrassing excuse for the poor performance of their favorite korean players vs. the one foreigner who actual won some games. You don't get to say what the korean's were thinking, that's a load of BS. he chose to stay in the minor leagues instead of manning up in the real gsl like a bunch of other "less hype" foreigners did.
lmao. you claim gsl is the big leagues when scarlett gets ro8 and neeb goes to the semifinals and almost to go 3-1 up above TY (until neeb tilted lol). and you claim the gsl format is less volatile. The volatile group format gsl uses with bo3s is what got scarlett and reynor their good gsl runs.
maybe instead of bashing serral for not wanting to play in GSL maybe realize that he doesn't want to live away from home for months? screw off with this "manning up" crap, that's pretty rude.
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Great read.
I'm looking forward to Blizzcon to see if Serral can keep up with the pressure that's been put on him.
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imo the blizzcon is all about who can stay "on form" given there are no real tournaments now for quite some time.
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On October 20 2018 01:54 youngjiddle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 01:11 DomeGetta wrote:On October 20 2018 00:47 youngjiddle wrote:On October 20 2018 00:02 Terra1 wrote:On October 19 2018 23:50 youngjiddle wrote:
Korean fanboys will forever be cheering against foreigners.
There is some weird, psychology of self loathing people have towards their own region's players here on TL, maybe because people have become disappointed by foreigners lose to Koreans so many times. Maybe because they are tired of people saying "we'll beat the Koreans this time" and it never happens.
Serral will prove everyone wrong, hopefully. Thank you, region lock. I hope you're right. I want to believe that Serral can do it, at least reach the semis of Blizzcon This is just what I think and see from the comments these fanboys post though but the fanboys want some factors here to tell that Serral can win vs the best Koreans: -It should be in the GSL tournament, to show that even Serral will have a hard time to win vs them, especially in their good forms -Weekend tournaments like GSL vs the World isn't counted because most of the players there didn't took the tournament seriously (I found it strange because Dark, who's crushing foreigners except for Elazer last year, got defeated by Serral 3-1, then by Innovation, both of them are either not serious or out of form). They want a fair advantage for each player -4x WCS championship wins aren't as strong as 3x GSL championships because the intensity of GSL is far higher than WCS This is why we see some comments in the power rank are not impressed with Serral being at #2 and they rate TY, Rogue, Stats and Classic a bit higher than Serral. Serral can defeat Koreans but not all of the best. He did beat Classic and Zest (though both have sucky PvZs), Rogue and Impact (close I think in IEM) Those arguments don't make much sense though. - Blaming the format is not an excuse for losing. If you're the best you should be able to win in a 1v1 game. Koreans used to come overseas and destroy in weekend tournaments. So now all the sudden Serral's wins don't mean as much because he played a week long tournament in Korea? So if serral failed at GSL vs the world, could I have blamed "jetlag" and "the format"? nah. no johns. If you want to go to homestory and say hey, I lost because I think the format of playing on the next balance patch favored protoss at the time, then fine, that's completely different. I'm tired of people saying some prepared match format is the ONLY and TRUE way to determine someone's skill in the game. - You could argue that Serral would be even better in the gsl style tournament. He plays a reactionary style extremely well, not a weird style that might sneak a weekend win. He could adjust to whatever weird builds are prepared against him. - I don't see any good argument to say that those four players TY, Rogue, Stats and Classic are better than better than Serral. There just isn't enough data to show that GSL vs the world was a fluke, to say that Serral's WCS wins mean nothing, to say that serral would lose to them, ect. - lastly, saying gsl players didn't take GSL vs the world "seriously" is korean fanboys making an embarrassing excuse for the poor performance of their favorite korean players vs. the one foreigner who actual won some games. You don't get to say what the korean's were thinking, that's a load of BS. he chose to stay in the minor leagues instead of manning up in the real gsl like a bunch of other "less hype" foreigners did. lmao. you claim gsl is the big leagues when scarlett gets ro8 and neeb goes to the semifinals and almost to go 3-1 up above TY (until neeb tilted lol). and you claim the gsl format is less volatile. The volatile group format gsl uses with bo3s is what got scarlett and reynor their good gsl runs. maybe instead of bashing serral for not wanting to play in GSL maybe realize that he doesn't want to live away from home for months? screw off with this "manning up" crap, that's pretty rude.
Scarlett went deep in GSL once in (I believe) 7 consecutive attempts. And that was around the time she won IEM Pyeongchang so was actually really good.
You can list as many upsets in GSL as you want, but you can't argue that it isn't the superior league in terms of skill, and that starleague format isn't a different animal to face. No one's saying Serral has to play there, he can do what he wants. But as long as he doesn't you have to admit he isn't playing in the hardest field.
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On October 20 2018 02:17 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2018 01:54 youngjiddle wrote:On October 20 2018 01:11 DomeGetta wrote:On October 20 2018 00:47 youngjiddle wrote:On October 20 2018 00:02 Terra1 wrote:On October 19 2018 23:50 youngjiddle wrote:
Korean fanboys will forever be cheering against foreigners.
There is some weird, psychology of self loathing people have towards their own region's players here on TL, maybe because people have become disappointed by foreigners lose to Koreans so many times. Maybe because they are tired of people saying "we'll beat the Koreans this time" and it never happens.
Serral will prove everyone wrong, hopefully. Thank you, region lock. I hope you're right. I want to believe that Serral can do it, at least reach the semis of Blizzcon This is just what I think and see from the comments these fanboys post though but the fanboys want some factors here to tell that Serral can win vs the best Koreans: -It should be in the GSL tournament, to show that even Serral will have a hard time to win vs them, especially in their good forms -Weekend tournaments like GSL vs the World isn't counted because most of the players there didn't took the tournament seriously (I found it strange because Dark, who's crushing foreigners except for Elazer last year, got defeated by Serral 3-1, then by Innovation, both of them are either not serious or out of form). They want a fair advantage for each player -4x WCS championship wins aren't as strong as 3x GSL championships because the intensity of GSL is far higher than WCS This is why we see some comments in the power rank are not impressed with Serral being at #2 and they rate TY, Rogue, Stats and Classic a bit higher than Serral. Serral can defeat Koreans but not all of the best. He did beat Classic and Zest (though both have sucky PvZs), Rogue and Impact (close I think in IEM) Those arguments don't make much sense though. - Blaming the format is not an excuse for losing. If you're the best you should be able to win in a 1v1 game. Koreans used to come overseas and destroy in weekend tournaments. So now all the sudden Serral's wins don't mean as much because he played a week long tournament in Korea? So if serral failed at GSL vs the world, could I have blamed "jetlag" and "the format"? nah. no johns. If you want to go to homestory and say hey, I lost because I think the format of playing on the next balance patch favored protoss at the time, then fine, that's completely different. I'm tired of people saying some prepared match format is the ONLY and TRUE way to determine someone's skill in the game. - You could argue that Serral would be even better in the gsl style tournament. He plays a reactionary style extremely well, not a weird style that might sneak a weekend win. He could adjust to whatever weird builds are prepared against him. - I don't see any good argument to say that those four players TY, Rogue, Stats and Classic are better than better than Serral. There just isn't enough data to show that GSL vs the world was a fluke, to say that Serral's WCS wins mean nothing, to say that serral would lose to them, ect. - lastly, saying gsl players didn't take GSL vs the world "seriously" is korean fanboys making an embarrassing excuse for the poor performance of their favorite korean players vs. the one foreigner who actual won some games. You don't get to say what the korean's were thinking, that's a load of BS. he chose to stay in the minor leagues instead of manning up in the real gsl like a bunch of other "less hype" foreigners did. lmao. you claim gsl is the big leagues when scarlett gets ro8 and neeb goes to the semifinals and almost to go 3-1 up above TY (until neeb tilted lol). and you claim the gsl format is less volatile. The volatile group format gsl uses with bo3s is what got scarlett and reynor their good gsl runs. maybe instead of bashing serral for not wanting to play in GSL maybe realize that he doesn't want to live away from home for months? screw off with this "manning up" crap, that's pretty rude. Scarlett went deep in GSL once in (I believe) 7 consecutive attempts. And that was around the time she won IEM Pyeongchang so was actually really good. You can list as many upsets in GSL as you want, but you can't argue that it isn't the superior league in terms of skill, and that starleague format isn't a different animal to face. No one's saying Serral has to play there, he can do what he wants. But as long as he doesn't you have to admit he isn't playing in the hardest field.
Who argued that? To make a hyperbole in the other direction, it annoys me that some Korean elitists seem to think
that just participating in GSL makes you WCS champion material. GSL is harder than WCS, sure but they're not lightyears apart.
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