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Congrats to Maru and TY. Quite an interesting series.
On September 16 2018 05:16 VHbb wrote:
How is one's first reaction after watching an EPIC TvT GSL finals (honestly I'm still pumped after this morning) coming to TL forum to argue about Maru/Serral and Koreans vs rest of the world?
Like, can't you just enjoy SC2 rather than arguing like children about who's right and who's not?
(moreover, this is not really debating, it's just low-key insulting others trying to be right..)
Because several people made the mistake of thinking that Maru vs Serral would be exciting (given how well both have done and whatnot), and seeing that a series between them would be competitive. Obviously some people need to then shut down all that with a bunch of delusional and/or hyperbolic things that pop into their heads. Only trying to provoke people is entertaining for some.
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On September 16 2018 06:39 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:
And fun fact about blizzcon is that all winners were unexpected except someone like ByuN in 2016.
Since HotS,
2013 - sOs (12th)
2014 - Life (14th)
2015 - sOs (14th)
2016 - ByuN (KR 3rd)
2017 - Rogue (KR 8th)
even ByuN started rising in late 2016, he used to be someone gets eliminated in Code A in early 2016.
All foreign fans hope Maru vs Serral as blizzcon final
Most of Korean fans think Maru will win this blizzcon
But the actual winner can be someone that nobody expected. :D
probably end up being like Classic vs Zest final
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On September 16 2018 06:39 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:
And fun fact about blizzcon is that all winners were unexpected except someone like ByuN in 2016.
Since HotS,
2013 - sOs (12th)
2014 - Life (14th)
2015 - sOs (14th)
2016 - ByuN (KR 3rd)
2017 - Rogue (KR 8th)
even ByuN started rising in late 2016, he used to be someone gets eliminated in Code A in early 2016.
All foreign fans hope Maru vs Serral as blizzcon final
Most of Korean fans think Maru will win this blizzcon
But the actual winner can be someone that nobody expected. :D
It's a shame they limit the korea invites to 8. sOs can't do okay for the year and then win it like he used to.
On September 16 2018 07:40 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 06:39 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:
And fun fact about blizzcon is that all winners were unexpected except someone like ByuN in 2016.
Since HotS,
2013 - sOs (12th)
2014 - Life (14th)
2015 - sOs (14th)
2016 - ByuN (KR 3rd)
2017 - Rogue (KR 8th)
even ByuN started rising in late 2016, he used to be someone gets eliminated in Code A in early 2016.
All foreign fans hope Maru vs Serral as blizzcon final
Most of Korean fans think Maru will win this blizzcon
But the actual winner can be someone that nobody expected. :D probably end up being like Classic vs Zest final
Entirely possible if every zerg player decides to not show
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What an amazing series. TY had all the clever tricks, the empty medivacs to bait, the LOS blocker trick on Dreamcatcher, using the CC to load SCVs against the reaper harass, and super-sharp pushes. Yet Maru just showed himself to be the stronger player mechanically despite putting himself behind repeatedly with the proxies.
Since when were we allowed to have tournament finals this good?
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Maru with the hat trick achievment.
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Canada8989 Posts
On September 16 2018 06:39 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:
And fun fact about blizzcon is that all winners were unexpected except someone like ByuN in 2016.
Since HotS,
2013 - sOs (12th)
2014 - Life (14th)
2015 - sOs (14th)
2016 - ByuN (KR 3rd)
2017 - Rogue (KR 8th)
even ByuN started rising in late 2016, he used to be someone gets eliminated in Code A in early 2016.
All foreign fans hope Maru vs Serral as blizzcon final
Most of Korean fans think Maru will win this blizzcon
But the actual winner can be someone that nobody expected. :D
Maru also underperform when he played in foreing tournament, outside of tournament in the relatively near China I don't think he ever got to a final of a foreing tournament. Of course JAGW has never been keen to send their player abroard, but he still entered in quite a few over the years and underperformed quite a bit, lets wait and see but it could be harder outside of the studio environnement where he shine.
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On September 16 2018 08:00 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Maru with the hat trick achievment.
A Grand Slam, even.
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Congrats Maru!!!
I knew in my heart of hearts you could do it!
One more hill to climb at Blizzcon, and maybe, just maybe, we can silence a few more of the doubters...
Maru is already far and away #1 in my heart, and I only wish this to be true for many, many more!
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On September 16 2018 01:17 Dave4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 00:51 Rodya wrote:
As usual, some people have to come in and mention Serral in every thread about Maru... so annoying. Some quick facts for the rest of this thread (no one shall ever need to state them again in this thread, but I think someone has to in each thread the trolls appear):
1) Serral is 0-3 vs Maru in official matches. They played at WESG semi-finals and Maru won without any game being even slightly close.
2) Serral barely won WCS Montreal against players that couldn't even qualify for GSL, or in Reynor's case, did not perform very well.
3) Maru has won 3 GSL in a row against the best competition in the world... the only possible top 20 player that doesnt play in GSL is Serral.
4) GSL vs the World is a real tournament, but it's one that Koreans traditionally do not prepare that much for and going into it, Serral was not considered a threat to Koreans at ALL. Thus Koreans did not prepare for Serral and as testified by Artosis himself, they were shocked when they saw Serral playing well in the ro8.
5) Gsl vs. the World is NOT a GSL. When you say "X has won a GSL" you mean Code S - not any tournament with GSL in the title!
So no - Serral has lost the head to head in embarassing fashion, and no - Serral has looked much more vulnerable nearly losing to Lambo, Scarlett, and Reynor - players that wouldn't get 45 minutes of air time against Maru and no - winning WCS Montreal isn't remotely as impressive as winning GSL Code S Season 3.
Congrats to Maru - that was a great series although not the best TvT of all time as Tasteless said. This again lol. 1) They are 3-3. Also Maru is the one who didn't make the finals if GSL v World for them to have met there, so U can't really use this argument 2) Serral has been destroying every tournament - 4 WCS in a row, plus a GSL. 3) yes Maru has done very well but as some have noted, it is in the post-teamhouse era while he is in the only remaining teamhouse. He said himself he couldn't do it without bunny and cure in the interview. Also how do you say Neeb isn't top 20 if he got to semis, or reynor to ro16? You're arguments are internally inconsistent. 4) Serral prepared no more than the Koreans did. It's not like he prepared for every Korean he would face. All you're saying is that it was a fair fight. 5) GSL v World is actually harder in some regards as it requires a lot more stamina in a short period, and you don't have the luxury of spending a week with your team mates pretending to be your opponent (note only Jin Air can do this as mentioned above) Come on guy, Maru only -just- beat TY here, you can pretend all you want but it's basically neck and neck between Serral and Maru, if not Serral favoured for the reasons outlined above.
Is this Dave4 person like a mirror image Rodya troll?????
*only* just beat TY?
ok buddy
serral is good, but i'd say neeb has proved himself more in GSL, the toughest tournament in the world. few others have gone as far as he has. just jinro and naniwa iirc. serral needs to be compete in more tourneys with koreans then you can be hyping him up so much and downplaying maru.
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On September 16 2018 10:10 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 01:17 Dave4 wrote:On September 16 2018 00:51 Rodya wrote:
As usual, some people have to come in and mention Serral in every thread about Maru... so annoying. Some quick facts for the rest of this thread (no one shall ever need to state them again in this thread, but I think someone has to in each thread the trolls appear):
1) Serral is 0-3 vs Maru in official matches. They played at WESG semi-finals and Maru won without any game being even slightly close.
2) Serral barely won WCS Montreal against players that couldn't even qualify for GSL, or in Reynor's case, did not perform very well.
3) Maru has won 3 GSL in a row against the best competition in the world... the only possible top 20 player that doesnt play in GSL is Serral.
4) GSL vs the World is a real tournament, but it's one that Koreans traditionally do not prepare that much for and going into it, Serral was not considered a threat to Koreans at ALL. Thus Koreans did not prepare for Serral and as testified by Artosis himself, they were shocked when they saw Serral playing well in the ro8.
5) Gsl vs. the World is NOT a GSL. When you say "X has won a GSL" you mean Code S - not any tournament with GSL in the title!
So no - Serral has lost the head to head in embarassing fashion, and no - Serral has looked much more vulnerable nearly losing to Lambo, Scarlett, and Reynor - players that wouldn't get 45 minutes of air time against Maru and no - winning WCS Montreal isn't remotely as impressive as winning GSL Code S Season 3.
Congrats to Maru - that was a great series although not the best TvT of all time as Tasteless said. This again lol. 1) They are 3-3. Also Maru is the one who didn't make the finals if GSL v World for them to have met there, so U can't really use this argument 2) Serral has been destroying every tournament - 4 WCS in a row, plus a GSL. 3) yes Maru has done very well but as some have noted, it is in the post-teamhouse era while he is in the only remaining teamhouse. He said himself he couldn't do it without bunny and cure in the interview. Also how do you say Neeb isn't top 20 if he got to semis, or reynor to ro16? You're arguments are internally inconsistent. 4) Serral prepared no more than the Koreans did. It's not like he prepared for every Korean he would face. All you're saying is that it was a fair fight. 5) GSL v World is actually harder in some regards as it requires a lot more stamina in a short period, and you don't have the luxury of spending a week with your team mates pretending to be your opponent (note only Jin Air can do this as mentioned above) Come on guy, Maru only -just- beat TY here, you can pretend all you want but it's basically neck and neck between Serral and Maru, if not Serral favoured for the reasons outlined above. Is this Dave4 person like a mirror image Rodya troll????? *only* just beat TY? ok buddy serral is good, but i'd say neeb has proved himself more in GSL, the toughest tournament in the world. few others have gone as far as he has. just jinro and naniwa iirc. serral needs to be compete in more tourneys with koreans then you can be hyping him up so much and downplaying maru.
Give him a break. Responding to Rodya inevitably drags one down to his own level :p
Neeb's ro4 GSL run is an impressive achievement in its own right, but considering that Neeb's best 2018 WCS run was also a single ro4 appearance while Serral won all 4 of them, it is imo hard to argue that Neeb "has proven himself more" than Serral.
On a side note - not that it is particularly relevant - unless my sc2 trivia is having a huge gap, Neeb and Jinro are the only foreigners to reach a ro4 of a GSL.
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United States1840 Posts
On September 16 2018 11:39 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 10:10 fishjie wrote:On September 16 2018 01:17 Dave4 wrote:On September 16 2018 00:51 Rodya wrote:
As usual, some people have to come in and mention Serral in every thread about Maru... so annoying. Some quick facts for the rest of this thread (no one shall ever need to state them again in this thread, but I think someone has to in each thread the trolls appear):
1) Serral is 0-3 vs Maru in official matches. They played at WESG semi-finals and Maru won without any game being even slightly close.
2) Serral barely won WCS Montreal against players that couldn't even qualify for GSL, or in Reynor's case, did not perform very well.
3) Maru has won 3 GSL in a row against the best competition in the world... the only possible top 20 player that doesnt play in GSL is Serral.
4) GSL vs the World is a real tournament, but it's one that Koreans traditionally do not prepare that much for and going into it, Serral was not considered a threat to Koreans at ALL. Thus Koreans did not prepare for Serral and as testified by Artosis himself, they were shocked when they saw Serral playing well in the ro8.
5) Gsl vs. the World is NOT a GSL. When you say "X has won a GSL" you mean Code S - not any tournament with GSL in the title!
So no - Serral has lost the head to head in embarassing fashion, and no - Serral has looked much more vulnerable nearly losing to Lambo, Scarlett, and Reynor - players that wouldn't get 45 minutes of air time against Maru and no - winning WCS Montreal isn't remotely as impressive as winning GSL Code S Season 3.
Congrats to Maru - that was a great series although not the best TvT of all time as Tasteless said. This again lol. 1) They are 3-3. Also Maru is the one who didn't make the finals if GSL v World for them to have met there, so U can't really use this argument 2) Serral has been destroying every tournament - 4 WCS in a row, plus a GSL. 3) yes Maru has done very well but as some have noted, it is in the post-teamhouse era while he is in the only remaining teamhouse. He said himself he couldn't do it without bunny and cure in the interview. Also how do you say Neeb isn't top 20 if he got to semis, or reynor to ro16? You're arguments are internally inconsistent. 4) Serral prepared no more than the Koreans did. It's not like he prepared for every Korean he would face. All you're saying is that it was a fair fight. 5) GSL v World is actually harder in some regards as it requires a lot more stamina in a short period, and you don't have the luxury of spending a week with your team mates pretending to be your opponent (note only Jin Air can do this as mentioned above) Come on guy, Maru only -just- beat TY here, you can pretend all you want but it's basically neck and neck between Serral and Maru, if not Serral favoured for the reasons outlined above. Is this Dave4 person like a mirror image Rodya troll????? *only* just beat TY? ok buddy serral is good, but i'd say neeb has proved himself more in GSL, the toughest tournament in the world. few others have gone as far as he has. just jinro and naniwa iirc. serral needs to be compete in more tourneys with koreans then you can be hyping him up so much and downplaying maru. Give him a break. Responding to Rodya inevitably drags one down to his own level :p Neeb's ro4 GSL run is an impressive achievement in its own right, but considering that Neeb's best 2018 WCS run was also a single ro4 appearance while Serral won all 4 of them, it is imo hard to argue that Neeb "has proven himself more" than Serral. On a side note - not that it is particularly relevant - unless my sc2 trivia is having a huge gap, Neeb and Jinro are the only foreigners to reach a ro4 of a GSL.
Nope, you're right, just Neeb & Jinro way back in 2010 GSL 3 where he was 4-0'd by MC.
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On September 16 2018 10:10 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 01:17 Dave4 wrote:On September 16 2018 00:51 Rodya wrote:
As usual, some people have to come in and mention Serral in every thread about Maru... so annoying. Some quick facts for the rest of this thread (no one shall ever need to state them again in this thread, but I think someone has to in each thread the trolls appear):
1) Serral is 0-3 vs Maru in official matches. They played at WESG semi-finals and Maru won without any game being even slightly close.
2) Serral barely won WCS Montreal against players that couldn't even qualify for GSL, or in Reynor's case, did not perform very well.
3) Maru has won 3 GSL in a row against the best competition in the world... the only possible top 20 player that doesnt play in GSL is Serral.
4) GSL vs the World is a real tournament, but it's one that Koreans traditionally do not prepare that much for and going into it, Serral was not considered a threat to Koreans at ALL. Thus Koreans did not prepare for Serral and as testified by Artosis himself, they were shocked when they saw Serral playing well in the ro8.
5) Gsl vs. the World is NOT a GSL. When you say "X has won a GSL" you mean Code S - not any tournament with GSL in the title!
So no - Serral has lost the head to head in embarassing fashion, and no - Serral has looked much more vulnerable nearly losing to Lambo, Scarlett, and Reynor - players that wouldn't get 45 minutes of air time against Maru and no - winning WCS Montreal isn't remotely as impressive as winning GSL Code S Season 3.
Congrats to Maru - that was a great series although not the best TvT of all time as Tasteless said. This again lol. 1) They are 3-3. Also Maru is the one who didn't make the finals if GSL v World for them to have met there, so U can't really use this argument 2) Serral has been destroying every tournament - 4 WCS in a row, plus a GSL. 3) yes Maru has done very well but as some have noted, it is in the post-teamhouse era while he is in the only remaining teamhouse. He said himself he couldn't do it without bunny and cure in the interview. Also how do you say Neeb isn't top 20 if he got to semis, or reynor to ro16? You're arguments are internally inconsistent. 4) Serral prepared no more than the Koreans did. It's not like he prepared for every Korean he would face. All you're saying is that it was a fair fight. 5) GSL v World is actually harder in some regards as it requires a lot more stamina in a short period, and you don't have the luxury of spending a week with your team mates pretending to be your opponent (note only Jin Air can do this as mentioned above) Come on guy, Maru only -just- beat TY here, you can pretend all you want but it's basically neck and neck between Serral and Maru, if not Serral favoured for the reasons outlined above. Is this Dave4 person like a mirror image Rodya troll????? *only* just beat TY? ok buddy serral is good, but i'd say neeb has proved himself more in GSL, the toughest tournament in the world. few others have gone as far as he has. just jinro and naniwa iirc. serral needs to be compete in more tourneys with koreans then you can be hyping him up so much and downplaying maru.
I am not a troll I simply state the things everyone else is overlooking due to bias. Since you've raised Neeb, he is a perfect example that GSL is not 100x harder than WCS: he was a semi finalist in GSL and only made it to Ro16 in WCS. Reynor I know did the opposite, but overall it shows that the league's are comparable now since the fall of the team houses in Korea.
Still noone seems to try to counter that argument they just say I'm a troll. But the reality is Maru has this as a big advantage over others which has to be at least considered a major factor in his current streak. He is of course peaking in his own right as well, but it's no coincidence that Jin Airs top players have all had massive periods of dominance since the other kespa houses faded.
The Korean teamhouse environment is accredited as the main reason for the existence of the Korean-Foreigner gap in the first place.
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Look, no one is disputing that Serral is a great player. No one is. What most people are saying is that he doesn't compare to Maru. Even if you want to make the case that the leagues are comparable, ok. I can even give you that, but if a Maru-Serral match occures, it probably won't be competitive.
I don't remember the last time I saw a Terran player play as well as Maru has been playing this year. Sure, Innovation can macro like a god, sure Byun is good with reapers, TY is a tactical genius, but Maru is a complete package. A perfect Terran, the level of dominance and rafined play by Maru this year has been insane. The gap between him and everyone else was probably larger or at least equal to the gap between Mvp and the others back when Mvp was God.
But we have seen Zergs play like Serral. We have seen them play better then Serral. Remember soO 2014.? Life in both his peaks? Dark 2016.? Rogue last year/this year? They all played Zerg to a higher level then Serral.
Sure he can compete with all of them, trade series with them, but not dominate. Not like Maru has. We have not seen this yet, and until I do, I will not call it a dream finals.
Maybe he does beat Maru at Blizzcon. Maybe he wins it. Then we can talk.
Maybe he loses in the groups. Maybe he doesn't win a map.
Then we can talk.
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On September 16 2018 10:10 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 01:17 Dave4 wrote:On September 16 2018 00:51 Rodya wrote:
As usual, some people have to come in and mention Serral in every thread about Maru... so annoying. Some quick facts for the rest of this thread (no one shall ever need to state them again in this thread, but I think someone has to in each thread the trolls appear):
1) Serral is 0-3 vs Maru in official matches. They played at WESG semi-finals and Maru won without any game being even slightly close.
2) Serral barely won WCS Montreal against players that couldn't even qualify for GSL, or in Reynor's case, did not perform very well.
3) Maru has won 3 GSL in a row against the best competition in the world... the only possible top 20 player that doesnt play in GSL is Serral.
4) GSL vs the World is a real tournament, but it's one that Koreans traditionally do not prepare that much for and going into it, Serral was not considered a threat to Koreans at ALL. Thus Koreans did not prepare for Serral and as testified by Artosis himself, they were shocked when they saw Serral playing well in the ro8.
5) Gsl vs. the World is NOT a GSL. When you say "X has won a GSL" you mean Code S - not any tournament with GSL in the title!
So no - Serral has lost the head to head in embarassing fashion, and no - Serral has looked much more vulnerable nearly losing to Lambo, Scarlett, and Reynor - players that wouldn't get 45 minutes of air time against Maru and no - winning WCS Montreal isn't remotely as impressive as winning GSL Code S Season 3.
Congrats to Maru - that was a great series although not the best TvT of all time as Tasteless said. This again lol. 1) They are 3-3. Also Maru is the one who didn't make the finals if GSL v World for them to have met there, so U can't really use this argument 2) Serral has been destroying every tournament - 4 WCS in a row, plus a GSL. 3) yes Maru has done very well but as some have noted, it is in the post-teamhouse era while he is in the only remaining teamhouse. He said himself he couldn't do it without bunny and cure in the interview. Also how do you say Neeb isn't top 20 if he got to semis, or reynor to ro16? You're arguments are internally inconsistent. 4) Serral prepared no more than the Koreans did. It's not like he prepared for every Korean he would face. All you're saying is that it was a fair fight. 5) GSL v World is actually harder in some regards as it requires a lot more stamina in a short period, and you don't have the luxury of spending a week with your team mates pretending to be your opponent (note only Jin Air can do this as mentioned above) Come on guy, Maru only -just- beat TY here, you can pretend all you want but it's basically neck and neck between Serral and Maru, if not Serral favoured for the reasons outlined above. Is this Dave4 person like a mirror image Rodya troll?????
On September 16 2018 01:41 Rodya wrote:
I however, am not a troll and have only stated facts in this thread and a congratulations for Maru.
On September 16 2018 13:10 Dave4 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 10:10 fishjie wrote:On September 16 2018 01:17 Dave4 wrote:On September 16 2018 00:51 Rodya wrote:
As usual, some people have to come in and mention Serral in every thread about Maru... so annoying. Some quick facts for the rest of this thread (no one shall ever need to state them again in this thread, but I think someone has to in each thread the trolls appear):
1) Serral is 0-3 vs Maru in official matches. They played at WESG semi-finals and Maru won without any game being even slightly close.
2) Serral barely won WCS Montreal against players that couldn't even qualify for GSL, or in Reynor's case, did not perform very well.
3) Maru has won 3 GSL in a row against the best competition in the world... the only possible top 20 player that doesnt play in GSL is Serral.
4) GSL vs the World is a real tournament, but it's one that Koreans traditionally do not prepare that much for and going into it, Serral was not considered a threat to Koreans at ALL. Thus Koreans did not prepare for Serral and as testified by Artosis himself, they were shocked when they saw Serral playing well in the ro8.
5) Gsl vs. the World is NOT a GSL. When you say "X has won a GSL" you mean Code S - not any tournament with GSL in the title!
So no - Serral has lost the head to head in embarassing fashion, and no - Serral has looked much more vulnerable nearly losing to Lambo, Scarlett, and Reynor - players that wouldn't get 45 minutes of air time against Maru and no - winning WCS Montreal isn't remotely as impressive as winning GSL Code S Season 3.
Congrats to Maru - that was a great series although not the best TvT of all time as Tasteless said. This again lol. 1) They are 3-3. Also Maru is the one who didn't make the finals if GSL v World for them to have met there, so U can't really use this argument 2) Serral has been destroying every tournament - 4 WCS in a row, plus a GSL. 3) yes Maru has done very well but as some have noted, it is in the post-teamhouse era while he is in the only remaining teamhouse. He said himself he couldn't do it without bunny and cure in the interview. Also how do you say Neeb isn't top 20 if he got to semis, or reynor to ro16? You're arguments are internally inconsistent. 4) Serral prepared no more than the Koreans did. It's not like he prepared for every Korean he would face. All you're saying is that it was a fair fight. 5) GSL v World is actually harder in some regards as it requires a lot more stamina in a short period, and you don't have the luxury of spending a week with your team mates pretending to be your opponent (note only Jin Air can do this as mentioned above) Come on guy, Maru only -just- beat TY here, you can pretend all you want but it's basically neck and neck between Serral and Maru, if not Serral favoured for the reasons outlined above. Is this Dave4 person like a mirror image Rodya troll????? *only* just beat TY? ok buddy serral is good, but i'd say neeb has proved himself more in GSL, the toughest tournament in the world. few others have gone as far as he has. just jinro and naniwa iirc. serral needs to be compete in more tourneys with koreans then you can be hyping him up so much and downplaying maru. I am not a troll I simply state the things everyone else is overlooking due to bias.
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Maru is the best right now. But in game 6 he got very lucky. If TY send his SCV scout other direction, it would find the proxy and TY would probably won 4-2... anyway, great series. Hope for Stats-Serral, Stats-Maru, or Maru-Serral at Blizzcon final.
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On September 16 2018 16:35 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 10:10 fishjie wrote:On September 16 2018 01:17 Dave4 wrote:On September 16 2018 00:51 Rodya wrote:
As usual, some people have to come in and mention Serral in every thread about Maru... so annoying. Some quick facts for the rest of this thread (no one shall ever need to state them again in this thread, but I think someone has to in each thread the trolls appear):
1) Serral is 0-3 vs Maru in official matches. They played at WESG semi-finals and Maru won without any game being even slightly close.
2) Serral barely won WCS Montreal against players that couldn't even qualify for GSL, or in Reynor's case, did not perform very well.
3) Maru has won 3 GSL in a row against the best competition in the world... the only possible top 20 player that doesnt play in GSL is Serral.
4) GSL vs the World is a real tournament, but it's one that Koreans traditionally do not prepare that much for and going into it, Serral was not considered a threat to Koreans at ALL. Thus Koreans did not prepare for Serral and as testified by Artosis himself, they were shocked when they saw Serral playing well in the ro8.
5) Gsl vs. the World is NOT a GSL. When you say "X has won a GSL" you mean Code S - not any tournament with GSL in the title!
So no - Serral has lost the head to head in embarassing fashion, and no - Serral has looked much more vulnerable nearly losing to Lambo, Scarlett, and Reynor - players that wouldn't get 45 minutes of air time against Maru and no - winning WCS Montreal isn't remotely as impressive as winning GSL Code S Season 3.
Congrats to Maru - that was a great series although not the best TvT of all time as Tasteless said. This again lol. 1) They are 3-3. Also Maru is the one who didn't make the finals if GSL v World for them to have met there, so U can't really use this argument 2) Serral has been destroying every tournament - 4 WCS in a row, plus a GSL. 3) yes Maru has done very well but as some have noted, it is in the post-teamhouse era while he is in the only remaining teamhouse. He said himself he couldn't do it without bunny and cure in the interview. Also how do you say Neeb isn't top 20 if he got to semis, or reynor to ro16? You're arguments are internally inconsistent. 4) Serral prepared no more than the Koreans did. It's not like he prepared for every Korean he would face. All you're saying is that it was a fair fight. 5) GSL v World is actually harder in some regards as it requires a lot more stamina in a short period, and you don't have the luxury of spending a week with your team mates pretending to be your opponent (note only Jin Air can do this as mentioned above) Come on guy, Maru only -just- beat TY here, you can pretend all you want but it's basically neck and neck between Serral and Maru, if not Serral favoured for the reasons outlined above. Is this Dave4 person like a mirror image Rodya troll????? Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 01:41 Rodya wrote:
I however, am not a troll and have only stated facts in this thread and a congratulations for Maru. Show nested quote +On September 16 2018 13:10 Dave4 wrote:On September 16 2018 10:10 fishjie wrote:On September 16 2018 01:17 Dave4 wrote:On September 16 2018 00:51 Rodya wrote:
As usual, some people have to come in and mention Serral in every thread about Maru... so annoying. Some quick facts for the rest of this thread (no one shall ever need to state them again in this thread, but I think someone has to in each thread the trolls appear):
1) Serral is 0-3 vs Maru in official matches. They played at WESG semi-finals and Maru won without any game being even slightly close.
2) Serral barely won WCS Montreal against players that couldn't even qualify for GSL, or in Reynor's case, did not perform very well.
3) Maru has won 3 GSL in a row against the best competition in the world... the only possible top 20 player that doesnt play in GSL is Serral.
4) GSL vs the World is a real tournament, but it's one that Koreans traditionally do not prepare that much for and going into it, Serral was not considered a threat to Koreans at ALL. Thus Koreans did not prepare for Serral and as testified by Artosis himself, they were shocked when they saw Serral playing well in the ro8.
5) Gsl vs. the World is NOT a GSL. When you say "X has won a GSL" you mean Code S - not any tournament with GSL in the title!
So no - Serral has lost the head to head in embarassing fashion, and no - Serral has looked much more vulnerable nearly losing to Lambo, Scarlett, and Reynor - players that wouldn't get 45 minutes of air time against Maru and no - winning WCS Montreal isn't remotely as impressive as winning GSL Code S Season 3.
Congrats to Maru - that was a great series although not the best TvT of all time as Tasteless said. This again lol. 1) They are 3-3. Also Maru is the one who didn't make the finals if GSL v World for them to have met there, so U can't really use this argument 2) Serral has been destroying every tournament - 4 WCS in a row, plus a GSL. 3) yes Maru has done very well but as some have noted, it is in the post-teamhouse era while he is in the only remaining teamhouse. He said himself he couldn't do it without bunny and cure in the interview. Also how do you say Neeb isn't top 20 if he got to semis, or reynor to ro16? You're arguments are internally inconsistent. 4) Serral prepared no more than the Koreans did. It's not like he prepared for every Korean he would face. All you're saying is that it was a fair fight. 5) GSL v World is actually harder in some regards as it requires a lot more stamina in a short period, and you don't have the luxury of spending a week with your team mates pretending to be your opponent (note only Jin Air can do this as mentioned above) Come on guy, Maru only -just- beat TY here, you can pretend all you want but it's basically neck and neck between Serral and Maru, if not Serral favoured for the reasons outlined above. Is this Dave4 person like a mirror image Rodya troll????? *only* just beat TY? ok buddy serral is good, but i'd say neeb has proved himself more in GSL, the toughest tournament in the world. few others have gone as far as he has. just jinro and naniwa iirc. serral needs to be compete in more tourneys with koreans then you can be hyping him up so much and downplaying maru. I am not a troll I simply state the things everyone else is overlooking due to bias. ............................
Pretty sure it's the same dude. Just trolling on both sides to bring us balance.
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Was a good finals
Maru had me worried a few times but he came through.
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Maru wins GSL. Aligulac rating goes up by literally 1 point.
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I couldn't watch the finals...
Anyone can recommend me the best games of the series? I read that G4 was pretty good
Thanks!
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