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AaBbCc
New Zealand110 Posts
He knew his best chance of winning was to avoid playing into TY's preference for macro/harassment style games and vs. his late game prowess. By proxying, Maru takes the initiative, then ceaselessly looks to take control and dictate his opponent's play. Through agressive map presence, and constantly poking/threatening, he forces TYs responses preventing him from executing his game plans. Talk about playing to your strengths while avoiding his opponents own ones. | ||
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
On September 16 2018 18:30 AaBbCc wrote: Maru really played the man, rather than the game vs. TY. He knew his best chance of winning was to avoid playing into TY's preference for macro/harassment style games and vs. his late game prowess. By proxying, Maru takes the initiative, then ceaselessly looks to take control and dictate his opponent's play. Through agressive map presence, and constantly poking/threatening, he forces TYs responses preventing him from executing his game plans. Talk about playing to your strengths while avoiding his opponents own ones. Well TY got the game into the macro game in even footing and macro beat him at it, in a really long game of SUPER genius positioning and multitask, maru is just a beast. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On September 16 2018 19:43 DreamOen wrote: Well TY got the game into the macro game in even footing and macro beat him at it, in a really long game of SUPER genius positioning and multitask, maru is just a beast. Haven't had a chance to watch yet, but from what I've read TY was mainly going for mid-game timings. Not to stay his macro isn't bad, but it's hard to argue he beat Maru at a macro game by hitting a timing. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 16 2018 23:52 renaissanceMAN wrote: Haven't had a chance to watch yet, but from what I've read TY was mainly going for mid-game timings. Not to stay his macro isn't bad, but it's hard to argue he beat Maru at a macro game by hitting a timing. The three games TY won were all with timing attacks at 6-7 minutes. In one of them he didn't technically win with the attack, but he did enough damage that he basically couldn't lose the follow up macro battle. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
On September 17 2018 00:15 Fango wrote: The three games TY won were all with timing attacks at 6-7 minutes. In one of them he didn't technically win with the attack, but he did enough damage that he basically couldn't lose the follow up macro battle. The reason he was doing timing attacks was because Maru kept proxying. If a player proxies and you defend it successfully, they have to float their production back plus they have their natural later. So a mid game timing is one of the strongest follow ups because 1) they've had less time to produce defending units while they float back, and 2) they've probably been powering hard to get their economy back up. Often they grab a risky third cc very quickly as Maru did a few times. A decisive counter strike. So I wouldn't necessarily say TY couldn't beat Maru in a macro game, it's just he went for specifically the above Strat as it would have probably a 70% chance of success. Series could definitely have gone either way but grats to the winner Maru on the threepeat! | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18038 Posts
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KR_4EVR
316 Posts
Classic 3-0 Serral and then got 4-0 by Rogue in the finals at Katowice and it did even not look like Classic. After disecting SpeciaL 3-0, sOs got 4-1 by Scarlett at Pyeongchang and it did not even look like sOs. Exhausted even weeks after breaking soO's curse by removing him from the semifinals 4-3, Stats crubled 2-4 to Maru in GSL Season 1 and it did not even look like Stats playing. Despite barely winning Super Tournament 1 4-3 vs Dark, Stats did not even make playoffs of GSL Season 2. Because of who? Byun of all people! Zest 4-3 TY in GSL Season 2 just to get 4-0 by Maru in the finals. At some point Zest did not even look like he was trying. Stats 3-1 Maru in GSLvWorld just to fail to Serral's 4-3. Neeb 2-4 TY in GSL Season 3, but where was he all year in WCS Circuit where Serral trounced Protoss left and right: Serral ended Showtime's run 4-2 at Leipzig, broke Mana 4-2 at Austin, busted Has 4-1 in Valencia, and didn't even have anyone but Zerg to contend with at Montreal.. Where was Neeb when his race needed him most? It's official. This year is all about TvZ. Even hardcore believers like me who want sOs to win GSL Super Tournament 2 and don't think the Protoss stand a chance at Blizzcon this year. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 17 2018 03:00 KR_4EVR wrote: It's official. This year is all about TvZ. Even hardcore believers like me who want sOs to win GSL Super Tournament 2 and don't think the Protoss stand a chance at Blizzcon this year. Which is strange, because out of the 16 premier events (according to liquipedia) in the last 12 months, we've only had 1 TvZ final. We've also had 12 PvZ, 2 PvT, 1 TvT, 1 ZvZ, in that same time frame. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8324 Posts
On September 17 2018 03:13 Fango wrote: Which is strange, because out of the 16 premier events (according to liquipedia) in the last 12 months, we've only had 1 TvZ final. We've also had 12 PvZ, 2 PvT, 1 TvT, 1 ZvZ, in that same time frame. To be fair, I think part of that is due to the rarity of Terrans in WCS. Though yeah, it is an odd statistic. It's strange too because some of those protosses are really coming out of nowhere. Like, Has and Mana showed up one time each in really remarkable ways. | ||
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CaptainBurnTurn
United States80 Posts
On September 17 2018 03:00 KR_4EVR wrote: All year the Protoss hopes have proved very unstable. Classic 3-0 Serral and then got 4-0 by Rogue in the finals at Katowice and it did even not look like Classic. After disecting SpeciaL 3-0, sOs got 4-1 by Scarlett at Pyeongchang and it did not even look like sOs. Exhausted even weeks after breaking soO's curse by removing him from the semifinals 4-3, Stats crubled 2-4 to Maru in GSL Season 1 and it did not even look like Stats playing. Despite barely winning Super Tournament 1 4-3 vs Dark, Stats did not even make playoffs of GSL Season 2. Because of who? Byun of all people! Zest 4-3 TY in GSL Season 2 just to get 4-0 by Maru in the finals. At some point Zest did not even look like he was trying. Stats 3-1 Maru in GSLvWorld just to fail to Serral's 4-3. Neeb 2-4 TY in GSL Season 3, but where was he all year in WCS Circuit where Serral trounced Protoss left and right: Serral ended Showtime's run 4-2 at Leipzig, broke Mana 4-2 at Austin, busted Has 4-1 in Valencia, and didn't even have anyone but Zerg to contend with at Montreal.. Where was Neeb when his race needed him most? It's official. This year is all about TvZ. Even hardcore believers like me who want sOs to win GSL Super Tournament 2 and don't think the Protoss stand a chance at Blizzcon this year. I can see your point, but last year Zerg had the same problem. Out of the fifteen premier tournaments BEFORE Blizzcon, Only three were won by a Zerg, two of them were Rogue and one was Elazer. But the finals for some reason ended up being a ZvZ. Edit: It was much the same way the year before that, in 2016, out of all the premier tournaments that year, only three were won by Terrans. ByuN still won Blizzcon. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On September 17 2018 03:52 CaptainBurnTurn wrote: I can see your point, but last year Zerg had the same problem. Out of the fifteen premier tournaments BEFORE Blizzcon, Only three were won by a Zerg, two of them were Rogue and one was Elazer. But the finals for some reason ended up being a ZvZ. Edit: It was much the same way the year before that, in 2016, out of all the premier tournaments that year, only three were won by Terrans. ByuN still won Blizzcon. This means a Protoss will win Blizzcon now!? Zest is best | ||
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CaptainBurnTurn
United States80 Posts
On September 17 2018 04:40 Charoisaur wrote: This means a Protoss will win Blizzcon now!? Zest is best I hope so. Although I'm a sOs fan, any protoss winning would be nice, also there's been a zerg in every final since 2013. | ||
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bObA
France300 Posts
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On September 15 2018 22:17 Odoakar wrote: Why didnt we get a news like this for serral wcs win? If Serral is in a current tournament, you know he wins it. With Maru vs TY, it was not so clear. | ||
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alestormsabaton1994
12 Posts
There is literally no way that Serral could have won 3 gsl in a row, but on the other hand, I would bet a huge amount of money that Maru would have won every WCS he played in. Thats why I hate region lock, not only did it kill my favorite competition (ProLeague), but it made people forget how big the gap is between koreans and foreigners. The people that think Serral is at the same level as Maru are probably the one who also think that NA will do well in worlds (in LoL). | ||
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veniss
82 Posts
On September 17 2018 03:00 KR_4EVR wrote: All year the Protoss hopes have proved very unstable. Classic 3-0 Serral and then got 4-0 by Rogue in the finals at Katowice and it did even not look like Classic. After disecting SpeciaL 3-0, sOs got 4-1 by Scarlett at Pyeongchang and it did not even look like sOs. Exhausted even weeks after breaking soO's curse by removing him from the semifinals 4-3, Stats crubled 2-4 to Maru in GSL Season 1 and it did not even look like Stats playing. Despite barely winning Super Tournament 1 4-3 vs Dark, Stats did not even make playoffs of GSL Season 2. Because of who? Byun of all people! Zest 4-3 TY in GSL Season 2 just to get 4-0 by Maru in the finals. At some point Zest did not even look like he was trying. Stats 3-1 Maru in GSLvWorld just to fail to Serral's 4-3. Neeb 2-4 TY in GSL Season 3, but where was he all year in WCS Circuit where Serral trounced Protoss left and right: Serral ended Showtime's run 4-2 at Leipzig, broke Mana 4-2 at Austin, busted Has 4-1 in Valencia, and didn't even have anyone but Zerg to contend with at Montreal.. Where was Neeb when his race needed him most? It's official. This year is all about TvZ. Even hardcore believers like me who want sOs to win GSL Super Tournament 2 and don't think the Protoss stand a chance at Blizzcon this year. Where was Neeb when his race needed him most? 2016-Wins KeSPA Cup, the first foreigner to win a Korean SC2 tournament. 2017-Wins 3 WCSs in a year, the first foreigner to do that. 2018-In his only GSL run, gets to ro4. I DON'T KNOW, KEV Edit: And obviously, massive congratulations to Maru and Jin Air for pulling this off. It's unprecedented. Maru now must be the overwhelming favorite to win Blizzcon. | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States758 Posts
It's about time this whole Korean Scene to be fallen apart!  Go Serral!!! GO get em! | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On September 17 2018 10:58 alestormsabaton1994 wrote: People comparing Serral to Maru are idiots, or at least, very new to the scene. They dont realize the difference between Korea and the rest of the world. There is literally no way that Serral could have won 3 gsl in a row, but on the other hand, I would bet a huge amount of money that Maru would have won every WCS he played in. Thats why I hate region lock, not only did it kill my favorite competition (ProLeague), but it made people forget how big the gap is between koreans and foreigners. The people that think Serral is at the same level as Maru are probably the one who also think that NA will do well in worlds (in LoL). whoa there 1 post; it's only natural to compare the two winningest players in a given year... | ||
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Noa Greenini
265 Posts
On September 15 2018 22:08 ArtyK wrote: The perfect setup for Serral to crush Maru's hopes and dreams Good one! ;-) | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On September 17 2018 10:58 alestormsabaton1994 wrote: People comparing Serral to Maru are idiots, or at least, very new to the scene. They dont realize the difference between Korea and the rest of the world. There is literally no way that Serral could have won 3 gsl in a row, but on the other hand, I would bet a huge amount of money that Maru would have won every WCS he played in. Thats why I hate region lock, not only did it kill my favorite competition (ProLeague), but it made people forget how big the gap is between koreans and foreigners. The people that think Serral is at the same level as Maru are probably the one who also think that NA will do well in worlds (in LoL). Region lock has caused many bad things but it really had no effect on the end of Proleague. | ||
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