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While both players accomplished amazing feats this year, I think they're both starting to look mortal. Both of their finals victories were super close and Serral in particular had three separate matches in his last WCS that came down to the wire. Gonna go out on a limb here and predict that neither of them win Blizzcon and one of them makes a surprise exit in a shocking RO16 upset.
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If Maru wins Blizzcon he will be hands down the GOAT
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On September 18 2018 00:21 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2018 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote:On September 17 2018 17:57 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:whoa there 1 post; it's only natural to compare the two winningest players in a given year... People probably want to compare cuz it's Serral the only foreign hope in 2018, but comparing Major league and Minor league isn't natural for veterans... But Reynor almost beat Maru in RO16, and Serral beat Reynor in WCS...  P.S. I'm just messing around at this point, I think Maru is probably better than Serral, but both have dominated their respective circuits this year in ways in that are historically unparalleled. MVP may have been better in his prime, but even he didn't hat trick the GSL. Honestly Serral is a sick player no denying that..i think the problem that most people (including myself) have with the whining about why no Serral news etc is that you cant put what Maru did this year even in the same conversation as what Serral is doing. Weve seen plenty of players dominate in WCS NA EU in history. It is legitimately a minor league relative to code S. You have multiple players not even qualifying for code S that are contenders to win EU or NA. Winning 3 code S in a row is an absolutely insane historical achievement. Its never happened in SC2.. 2 only happened one time and the reason for that is the competition is the top of the top players in the world. Again not hating on Serral at all he will be competive at blizzcon but people need to accept that its not a comparable achievement.
this is my POV. we've seen single players stand out from the international crowd but never has 1 player so separated themselves from the Korean pack like this.
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On September 21 2018 10:33 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2018 00:21 DomeGetta wrote:On September 17 2018 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote:On September 17 2018 17:57 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:whoa there 1 post; it's only natural to compare the two winningest players in a given year... People probably want to compare cuz it's Serral the only foreign hope in 2018, but comparing Major league and Minor league isn't natural for veterans... But Reynor almost beat Maru in RO16, and Serral beat Reynor in WCS... P.S. I'm just messing around at this point, I think Maru is probably better than Serral, but both have dominated their respective circuits this year in ways in that are historically unparalleled. MVP may have been better in his prime, but even he didn't hat trick the GSL. Honestly Serral is a sick player no denying that..i think the problem that most people (including myself) have with the whining about why no Serral news etc is that you cant put what Maru did this year even in the same conversation as what Serral is doing. Weve seen plenty of players dominate in WCS NA EU in history. It is legitimately a minor league relative to code S. You have multiple players not even qualifying for code S that are contenders to win EU or NA. Winning 3 code S in a row is an absolutely insane historical achievement. Its never happened in SC2.. 2 only happened one time and the reason for that is the competition is the top of the top players in the world. Again not hating on Serral at all he will be competive at blizzcon but people need to accept that its not a comparable achievement. this is my POV. we've seen single players stand out from the international crowd but never has 1 player so separated themselves from the Korean pack like this.
The reason why we have region lock is taht Koreans dominated WCS, ehm... 
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Bisutopia19384 Posts
On September 21 2018 10:33 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2018 00:21 DomeGetta wrote:On September 17 2018 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote:On September 17 2018 17:57 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:whoa there 1 post; it's only natural to compare the two winningest players in a given year... People probably want to compare cuz it's Serral the only foreign hope in 2018, but comparing Major league and Minor league isn't natural for veterans... But Reynor almost beat Maru in RO16, and Serral beat Reynor in WCS... P.S. I'm just messing around at this point, I think Maru is probably better than Serral, but both have dominated their respective circuits this year in ways in that are historically unparalleled. MVP may have been better in his prime, but even he didn't hat trick the GSL. Honestly Serral is a sick player no denying that..i think the problem that most people (including myself) have with the whining about why no Serral news etc is that you cant put what Maru did this year even in the same conversation as what Serral is doing. Weve seen plenty of players dominate in WCS NA EU in history. It is legitimately a minor league relative to code S. You have multiple players not even qualifying for code S that are contenders to win EU or NA. Winning 3 code S in a row is an absolutely insane historical achievement. Its never happened in SC2.. 2 only happened one time and the reason for that is the competition is the top of the top players in the world. Again not hating on Serral at all he will be competive at blizzcon but people need to accept that its not a comparable achievement. this is my POV. we've seen single players stand out from the international crowd but never has 1 player so separated themselves from the Korean pack like this.
I'd argue that soO got really close to this same achievement. It's very unfortunate for him that 2nd means so little considering his consecutive runs.
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On September 18 2018 12:49 alestormsabaton1994 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2018 01:02 fishjie wrote:On September 17 2018 10:58 alestormsabaton1994 wrote:
People comparing Serral to Maru are idiots, or at least, very new to the scene. They dont realize the difference between Korea and the rest of the world.
There is literally no way that Serral could have won 3 gsl in a row, but on the other hand, I would bet a huge amount of money that Maru would have won every WCS he played in.
Thats why I hate region lock, not only did it kill my favorite competition (ProLeague), but it made people forget how big the gap is between koreans and foreigners.
The people that think Serral is at the same level as Maru are probably the one who also think that NA will do well in worlds (in LoL). well said. people forget that naniwa won MLG dallas without dropping a single map until the finals, before the korean invasion. he was very dominant. there were always some foreigners who were head and shoulders above the other foreigners. unlike serral though, naniwa continued to prove himself against koreans and showed that he belonged. serral's sample size is too small due to region lock. serral is definitely good, but winning 3 GSLs in a row good? he needs to compete in a GSL first edit: another sad factor to consider is that the region lock killed the korean scene. so rather than elevating foreign level of play to match koreans, it instead lowered overall level of korean play by killing any chance for new players to break in by destroying all the teamhouses. theres not really any new players coming in now - its all the same faces in the GSL now and when they retire for military its over Ill be honest, I was never a fan of foreigners, simply because I wanted to see the best, and the people who work the hardest be rewarded (and lets face it, Koreans work way harder than any other country not only in video games, my wife is korean and she told me a lot of stories about SK). And even though I hated Naniwa because of who he is, that I didnt like Stephano nor Neeb, I gotta give it to them, they had the balls to compete with the best, and beat them on multiple occasions. Which is why I dont respect Serral. Yes he is great, but he prefers making EZ money in a minor league, than trying to be the best, and be a part of sc2 history. Im not saying that unlike Serral, I wouldnt choose money over fame, because thats a lot of money, but i cant simply respect someone whos too afraid to face the best of the best.
You never liked foreigners, you hate Naniwa, you don't like Stephano nor Neeb, and you don't respect Serral because you think he's afraid of competition.
You are a mess.
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On September 21 2018 16:38 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2018 10:33 Vari wrote:On September 18 2018 00:21 DomeGetta wrote:On September 17 2018 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote:On September 17 2018 17:57 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:whoa there 1 post; it's only natural to compare the two winningest players in a given year... People probably want to compare cuz it's Serral the only foreign hope in 2018, but comparing Major league and Minor league isn't natural for veterans... But Reynor almost beat Maru in RO16, and Serral beat Reynor in WCS... P.S. I'm just messing around at this point, I think Maru is probably better than Serral, but both have dominated their respective circuits this year in ways in that are historically unparalleled. MVP may have been better in his prime, but even he didn't hat trick the GSL. Honestly Serral is a sick player no denying that..i think the problem that most people (including myself) have with the whining about why no Serral news etc is that you cant put what Maru did this year even in the same conversation as what Serral is doing. Weve seen plenty of players dominate in WCS NA EU in history. It is legitimately a minor league relative to code S. You have multiple players not even qualifying for code S that are contenders to win EU or NA. Winning 3 code S in a row is an absolutely insane historical achievement. Its never happened in SC2.. 2 only happened one time and the reason for that is the competition is the top of the top players in the world. Again not hating on Serral at all he will be competive at blizzcon but people need to accept that its not a comparable achievement. this is my POV. we've seen single players stand out from the international crowd but never has 1 player so separated themselves from the Korean pack like this. I'd argue that soO got really close to this same achievement. It's very unfortunate for him that 2nd means so little considering his consecutive runs.
soO's four finals is probably the most impressive feat in sc2. The only thing that maybe rivals it is Maru's threepeat (maybe). Shame people don't even put him in the GOAT conversation, most people don't even consider him the best zerg which is worse.
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On September 21 2018 16:38 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2018 10:33 Vari wrote:On September 18 2018 00:21 DomeGetta wrote:On September 17 2018 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote:On September 17 2018 17:57 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:whoa there 1 post; it's only natural to compare the two winningest players in a given year... People probably want to compare cuz it's Serral the only foreign hope in 2018, but comparing Major league and Minor league isn't natural for veterans... But Reynor almost beat Maru in RO16, and Serral beat Reynor in WCS... P.S. I'm just messing around at this point, I think Maru is probably better than Serral, but both have dominated their respective circuits this year in ways in that are historically unparalleled. MVP may have been better in his prime, but even he didn't hat trick the GSL. Honestly Serral is a sick player no denying that..i think the problem that most people (including myself) have with the whining about why no Serral news etc is that you cant put what Maru did this year even in the same conversation as what Serral is doing. Weve seen plenty of players dominate in WCS NA EU in history. It is legitimately a minor league relative to code S. You have multiple players not even qualifying for code S that are contenders to win EU or NA. Winning 3 code S in a row is an absolutely insane historical achievement. Its never happened in SC2.. 2 only happened one time and the reason for that is the competition is the top of the top players in the world. Again not hating on Serral at all he will be competive at blizzcon but people need to accept that its not a comparable achievement. this is my POV. we've seen single players stand out from the international crowd but never has 1 player so separated themselves from the Korean pack like this. I'd argue that soO got really close to this same achievement. It's very unfortunate for him that 2nd means so little considering his consecutive runs.
Yeah it really does suck. Such an incredible run but it will never be looked at as super dominant or bonjwa-esque because EVERY time(except for the one kespa cup I think?) he fell just short. Not even just in that 2014 run, if SoO had won half the top tournies he got 2nd in he would possibly be considered the best zerg of all time.
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On September 21 2018 16:38 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2018 10:33 Vari wrote:On September 18 2018 00:21 DomeGetta wrote:On September 17 2018 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote:On September 17 2018 17:57 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:whoa there 1 post; it's only natural to compare the two winningest players in a given year... People probably want to compare cuz it's Serral the only foreign hope in 2018, but comparing Major league and Minor league isn't natural for veterans... But Reynor almost beat Maru in RO16, and Serral beat Reynor in WCS... P.S. I'm just messing around at this point, I think Maru is probably better than Serral, but both have dominated their respective circuits this year in ways in that are historically unparalleled. MVP may have been better in his prime, but even he didn't hat trick the GSL. Honestly Serral is a sick player no denying that..i think the problem that most people (including myself) have with the whining about why no Serral news etc is that you cant put what Maru did this year even in the same conversation as what Serral is doing. Weve seen plenty of players dominate in WCS NA EU in history. It is legitimately a minor league relative to code S. You have multiple players not even qualifying for code S that are contenders to win EU or NA. Winning 3 code S in a row is an absolutely insane historical achievement. Its never happened in SC2.. 2 only happened one time and the reason for that is the competition is the top of the top players in the world. Again not hating on Serral at all he will be competive at blizzcon but people need to accept that its not a comparable achievement. this is my POV. we've seen single players stand out from the international crowd but never has 1 player so separated themselves from the Korean pack like this. I'd argue that soO got really close to this same achievement. It's very unfortunate for him that 2nd means so little considering his consecutive runs.
Yah I can definitely agree here. SoO is also an absolute beast wonder if he has the best all time winrate in code S matches overall? That alone has to put u in the talk for best zerg in history..im not sure about his current form but would be great to see him win a blizzcon.
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On September 22 2018 22:03 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2018 16:38 BisuDagger wrote:On September 21 2018 10:33 Vari wrote:On September 18 2018 00:21 DomeGetta wrote:On September 17 2018 22:54 renaissanceMAN wrote:On September 17 2018 17:57 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:whoa there 1 post; it's only natural to compare the two winningest players in a given year... People probably want to compare cuz it's Serral the only foreign hope in 2018, but comparing Major league and Minor league isn't natural for veterans... But Reynor almost beat Maru in RO16, and Serral beat Reynor in WCS... P.S. I'm just messing around at this point, I think Maru is probably better than Serral, but both have dominated their respective circuits this year in ways in that are historically unparalleled. MVP may have been better in his prime, but even he didn't hat trick the GSL. Honestly Serral is a sick player no denying that..i think the problem that most people (including myself) have with the whining about why no Serral news etc is that you cant put what Maru did this year even in the same conversation as what Serral is doing. Weve seen plenty of players dominate in WCS NA EU in history. It is legitimately a minor league relative to code S. You have multiple players not even qualifying for code S that are contenders to win EU or NA. Winning 3 code S in a row is an absolutely insane historical achievement. Its never happened in SC2.. 2 only happened one time and the reason for that is the competition is the top of the top players in the world. Again not hating on Serral at all he will be competive at blizzcon but people need to accept that its not a comparable achievement. this is my POV. we've seen single players stand out from the international crowd but never has 1 player so separated themselves from the Korean pack like this. I'd argue that soO got really close to this same achievement. It's very unfortunate for him that 2nd means so little considering his consecutive runs. Yah I can definitely agree here. SoO is also an absolute beast wonder if he has the best all time winrate in code S matches overall? That alone has to put u in the talk for best zerg in history..im not sure about his current form but would be great to see him win a blizzcon.
soO certainly has a claim on best zerg in history, he may lack in gold medals but he has the moral highground.
Also lol at anyone who says Mvp was better in his prime, he wasn't. Be it in terms of pure skill or skill compared to his peers, he dropped to code A multiple times while people were saying he was the GOAT, meanwhile Maru swept and entire season of code S, with a brilliant HOTS career to back it up.
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On September 22 2018 01:07 Trizz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2018 12:49 alestormsabaton1994 wrote:On September 18 2018 01:02 fishjie wrote:On September 17 2018 10:58 alestormsabaton1994 wrote:
People comparing Serral to Maru are idiots, or at least, very new to the scene. They dont realize the difference between Korea and the rest of the world.
There is literally no way that Serral could have won 3 gsl in a row, but on the other hand, I would bet a huge amount of money that Maru would have won every WCS he played in.
Thats why I hate region lock, not only did it kill my favorite competition (ProLeague), but it made people forget how big the gap is between koreans and foreigners.
The people that think Serral is at the same level as Maru are probably the one who also think that NA will do well in worlds (in LoL). well said. people forget that naniwa won MLG dallas without dropping a single map until the finals, before the korean invasion. he was very dominant. there were always some foreigners who were head and shoulders above the other foreigners. unlike serral though, naniwa continued to prove himself against koreans and showed that he belonged. serral's sample size is too small due to region lock. serral is definitely good, but winning 3 GSLs in a row good? he needs to compete in a GSL first edit: another sad factor to consider is that the region lock killed the korean scene. so rather than elevating foreign level of play to match koreans, it instead lowered overall level of korean play by killing any chance for new players to break in by destroying all the teamhouses. theres not really any new players coming in now - its all the same faces in the GSL now and when they retire for military its over Ill be honest, I was never a fan of foreigners, simply because I wanted to see the best, and the people who work the hardest be rewarded (and lets face it, Koreans work way harder than any other country not only in video games, my wife is korean and she told me a lot of stories about SK). And even though I hated Naniwa because of who he is, that I didnt like Stephano nor Neeb, I gotta give it to them, they had the balls to compete with the best, and beat them on multiple occasions. Which is why I dont respect Serral. Yes he is great, but he prefers making EZ money in a minor league, than trying to be the best, and be a part of sc2 history. Im not saying that unlike Serral, I wouldnt choose money over fame, because thats a lot of money, but i cant simply respect someone whos too afraid to face the best of the best. You never liked foreigners, you hate Naniwa, you don't like Stephano nor Neeb, and you don't respect Serral because you think he's afraid of competition. You are a mess.
And how so?
It's easy to call name, but can you try to at least back it up?
I think it fairly obvious why people would not like Naniwa, and I have the right to prefer the highest competition over the local one. Can you explain why i'm a mess or you will just act like a 12yo and call name online?
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On September 15 2018 21:48 Charoisaur wrote:GO2018. GOAT is still Inno.
i disagree GOAT is MVP.
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Watch drg come out of left field to show the true zvt might of old
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Now we just have to wait and see if Maru can get to his 4th consecutive code S finals or if he will be worse than soO, in that regard.
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On September 26 2018 14:33 Drfilip wrote:
Now we just have to wait and see if Maru can get to his 4th consecutive code S finals or if he will be worse than soO, in that regard.
What does it mean?
And it seems to me that some poeple went tooooooooooooooo far about Serral/Maru. This is madness to deny a miracle.
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On September 26 2018 14:33 Drfilip wrote:
Now we just have to wait and see if Maru can get to his 4th consecutive code S finals or if he will be worse than soO, in that regard.
I believe in soO to be 2nd in anything.
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