EPTIt Serral account, seem like he lose all his fights vs Rogue and Soo lately.
Too bad that's Reynor account.
He uses the Serral portrait and you probably read the wrong collumn
Power Rank: July 2018 - Page 5
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Purpose~
4 Posts
Too bad that's Reynor account. He uses the Serral portrait and you probably read the wrong collumn | ||
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Jealous
10108 Posts
On July 09 2018 20:21 Elentos wrote: They once put EG-TL as #1 in the Proleague PR. One time FakeSteve put Sea at #1 PR in BW. If I remember correctly, it was because he met with TL people at some event in France and he also made a TL account and said hi or something. These lists just rile people up and have some heart picks instead of actual logical picks. | ||
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Kikirik1
45 Posts
On July 11 2018 05:47 Purpose~ wrote: Too bad that's Reynor account. He uses the Serral portrait and you probably read the wrong collumn Ok my bad, anyway its impressive to see Reynor is so good on korea ladder. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
stephano and naniwa for example, were able to go toe to toe with the best koreans back in the day and still win tournaments. until serral does that he shouldn't be that high | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On July 12 2018 04:31 fishjie wrote: sorry foreigners should not be ranked high unless they are competing with koreans. being the best foreigner means nothing, do people never learn? this is why the region lock is dumb and you have a foreigner ranked so high. if you put any of those koreans who didn't make the cut, you don't think they would've shown similar foreigner stomping results that serral did? stephano and naniwa for example, were able to go toe to toe with the best koreans back in the day and still win tournaments. until serral does that he shouldn't be that high They weren't, however, as dominating. | ||
Poopi
France12768 Posts
Depends. Stephano in his prime was like 61-2 (one dc iirc) on European ladder in between tournament wins. He was dominating other foreigners as much as Serral but maybe his lifestyle back then didn’t allow for as much consistency as Serral in doing so. The fact that Neeb is slumping and that terran still can’t be played by Europeans also helps Serral in his domination. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
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loginn
France815 Posts
On July 17 2018 22:19 nimdil wrote: Don't care about the ladder but the only situation when Stephano arrived as hot favorite to sweep tournament and delivered was WCS EU Finals in 2012 - a tournament which was uniquely similar to Serral's WCS given that NA was slumping at the time and Korean's weren't participating. He came to ESWC 2011 in Paris as a favorite since he'd just won IPL 3 and went on to win it, facing MKP and MaNa. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On July 17 2018 23:15 loginn wrote: He came to ESWC 2011 in Paris as a favorite since he'd just won IPL 3 and went on to win it, facing MKP and MaNa. Yea, and the only players above Grubby line were these 3 and MC. | ||
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Poopi
France12768 Posts
On July 17 2018 23:15 loginn wrote: He came to ESWC 2011 in Paris as a favorite since he'd just won IPL 3 and went on to win it, facing MKP and MaNa. Yeah, and ladder can be a very good indicator of future performances / domination. Reynor went up very high on the ladder and he eventually reached the point of beating Classic to qualify into GSL ro16. Serral was a ladder god before dominating everyone. ByuN as well. Bomber and MKP were the scariest bio terrans on ladder. etc. etc. The fact that Stephano dominated europeans that hard before tournament wins is a good indicator of dominance. See: https://forum.hangarnet.com.br/showthread.php?tid=32749 His run was right before : 2011-10-23 1st Electronic Sports World Cup 2011 3 : 1 MaNa $26,000 2011-10-09 1st IGN ProLeague Season 3 4 : 0 Lucky $30,000 | ||
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loginn
France815 Posts
On July 17 2018 23:18 nimdil wrote: Yea, and the only players above Grubby line were these 3 and MC. Thorzain ? IdrA ? Nerchio ? Wat | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
On July 12 2018 04:31 fishjie wrote: sorry foreigners should not be ranked high unless they are competing with koreans. being the best foreigner means nothing, do people never learn? this is why the region lock is dumb and you have a foreigner ranked so high. if you put any of those koreans who didn't make the cut, you don't think they would've shown similar foreigner stomping results that serral did? stephano and naniwa for example, were able to go toe to toe with the best koreans back in the day and still win tournaments. until serral does that he shouldn't be that high listen to yourself. you are saying that someone who has shown complete dominance over everyone outside of korea is illegitimate because he is not facing koreans? so his obviously high skill level is moot because he doesn't live in seoul in a team house and play in GSL? cmon man don't be so shallow. sure, having him that high on the PR may be a stretch due to the fact that he plays in a different circuit but to say being the best foreigner means nothing is insanity. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On July 17 2018 22:12 Poopi wrote: Depends. Stephano in his prime was like 61-2 (one dc iirc) on European ladder in between tournament wins. He was dominating other foreigners as much as Serral but maybe his lifestyle back then didn’t allow for as much consistency as Serral in doing so. Well not quite as dominating against foreigners. During his peak year (1.10.11-1.10.12) Stephano had a 350-89 overall record (79.73%) and a 148-18 record (89.16%) in bo3+ series versus them. While during the last 8 months, after the 4.0.0 patch, Serral's record has been 208–39 (84.21%) and 66-5 (92.96%). | ||
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Jealous
10108 Posts
On July 17 2018 23:40 vult wrote: to say being the best foreigner means nothing is insanity. Does it mean that he is better than some of the top 10 Koreans in the world? | ||
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Poopi
France12768 Posts
On July 18 2018 04:28 Jealous wrote: Does it mean that he is better than some of the top 10 Koreans in the world? Depending on the match-up, yes. Even in losses, you could see his qualities. At Nation Wars he got beaten by soO but he had superior mechanics, he lacked clutchness, as well at IEM where he lost to Classic (but he was able to beat him soon after iirc). He is better at destroying foreigners than most, if not all, koreans. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On August 05 2018 20:26 d(O.o)a wrote: This thread has some hilarious comments about Serral when we look back after GSL vs. the world yes, i came back here to read these comments and laugh. There were more ridiculous denials in the LR threads, but spread out across hundreds of comments, so it s harder to find them. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15897 Posts
On August 05 2018 20:26 d(O.o)a wrote: This thread has some hilarious comments about Serral when we look back after GSL vs. the world Who would've thought? A tournament can change the perception of how strong a player is. Stats is also quite low in this ranking but after this tournament the perception has changed. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
Some of you guys needed to respect what Serral was doing and all I can do is hope that you do now. The dude is seriously fucking good. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15897 Posts
On August 05 2018 20:35 Soularion wrote: Listen I called all of this shit before it happened. Some of you guys needed to respect what Serral was doing and all I can do is hope that you do now. The dude is seriously fucking good. where is Stats in this ranking? I called this shit before it happened. Stats is good. No idea why you guys didn't respect him. Always amusing to see people saying "I told you so" after an upset tournament run. Sometimes you're right with your prediction, sometimes you're just as wrong. That doesn't mean you're a genius that knows everything better or that the other people are just dumb and disrespecting the players. | ||
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