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Power Rank: July 2018

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July 9th, 2018 00:10 GMT

Power Rank: July 2018

by TeamLiquid.net writers

Welcome to another edition of the TeamLiquid.net Power Rank! The Power Rank comes in a week late this month, which might make some of the rankings seem a bit... questionable given the first week of Code S results. No matter! Being pilloried by the community is basically customary at this point. Anyway, here's our usual summary of the Power Rank criteria:
  • Results up to June 31st were taken into consideration.
  • The Power Rank is an aggregate, average ranking of separate lists submitted by individual members of the TeamLiquid.net writing staff.
  • Criteria considered include, but are not limited to: Tournament placements, overall record, quality of opponents faced, quality of play.
  • Recent results are weighted more heavily, but players may receive benefit of the doubt for consistent performances in the past.

Previous Power Rank: Power Rank: June 2018


Close, But No Cigar


(Wiki)INnoVation: INnoVation did what he was expected to do at HomeStory Cup. Good for him! We're still waiting for him to look like his old self in the GSL.

(Wiki)soO: Same as above.

(Wiki)Stats: Stats didn't have any meaningful opportunities to redeem himself after his GSL RO16 exit last season. So for now, the world's most consistent player is stuck in CBNC purgatory for yet another month. We won't make too much of his decent online results (yet), given that Stats' online form and GSL form have had no connection whatsoever this year.

(Wiki)ByuN: ByuN was awoken from his dream-like Code S quarterfinal run with a brutal 0-3 loss to Classic. Where does the fan-favorite go from here? He qualified for Code S again by beating only foreigners, but lost to the only two Koreans he ran into (Stats and SuperNoVa). Not a great sign.

(Wiki)sOs: It came down to sOs or Dear for the #10 spot with Dear winning in a narrow tiebreak. In hindsight, this isn't looking like so great a choice. Anyway, take a shot each time we remind you that these rankings were compiled before the start of GSL Season 3.

#10

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Dear

- 6
The rising star of our last power ranking, (Wiki)Dear did little to justify our faith in him over the last thirty odd days. Having made the quarterfinals of GSL after a dominating Round of 16 performance where he defeated ZvP killers soO and Rogue, Dear was summarily swept by (Wiki)Zest. That was all part of a relatively quiet June in which Dear went 5-4 in matches. If losing in such embarrassing fashion was a clear indication that Dear's Ro16 performance was a flicker of inexplicable brilliance, then going 10-6 in games during the GSL Season 3 qualifiers (against the likes of (Wiki)RazerBlader, (Wiki)Prince, (Wiki)KeeN and (Wiki)Rushcrazy), was an even more alarming sign of his precipitous decline.

This months’ rankings were compiled before GSL Season 3 kicked off, but had Group B been taken into account it’s a certainty that Dear and sOs would have swapped places. Dear currently sits ninth on the WCS points leaderboard, but having been eliminated from the last GSL of the year, he’ll need a tremendous performance at the second Super Tournament if he wants a shot at making BlizzCon.


#9

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Trap

No change
(Wiki)Trap comes in at number nine for the fourth straight month. There's no more appropriate spot for a player who came within a single match of advancing to the quarterfinals in both Code S seasons this year (he lost to Stats and TY in decider matches). He's exactly good enough to be the ninth place player in the GSL.

Following his elimination from GSL, Trap put up a respectable 13-6 match record in assorted competition, beating the likes of Dark and GuMiho while also losing to Cure twice over the same period. We shouldn't read too deeply into such results, but they do seem to confirm Trap's ongoing 2018 narrative: He can win a BO3 against any of the top eight players in the GSL, but he can't win the two BO3's that matter on RO16 match day.

Trap's next challenge is getting out of a GSL RO32 group containing TY, RagnaroK, and Bunny. It's a deceptively tough group, but we get the feeling that Trap will advance and secure his #9 spot for a fifth consecutive month.


#8

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Dark

No change
Perennial title contender Dark tumbled down the rankings last month after suffering the ignominy of RO16 elimination in GSL Code S (losses to Trap and Classic). However, anyone is capable of the occasional misstep—even Maru lost to Classic in the Super Tournament—and we're willing to extend Dark a ton of credit for his overall form in 2018. While Dark has been inconsistent in big matches, his peak-level Zerg play has been topped only by Rogue so far. Remember, it wasn't too long ago that Dark was being held up as the one shining beacon of hope against the Zerg-butcher Maru.

[On a barely related note, Dark lost to (Wiki)Impact three times in the previous month, while he put up an otherwise excellent 24-5 match record against all other players. What does this mean for Dark? Absolutely nothing. However, we just really wanted to point out that Impact continues to be a bizarre, incomprehensible, online-only god.]


#7

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GuMiho

- 2
GuMiho retains his place in the top 10 after a largely successful month in which the towel terran posted a 27-8 record in matches. It’s an impressive resume, though not the one by which we will remember GuMiho’s June. After topping his Round of 16 group by defeating ByuN and sOs, GuMiho was ejected from Code S by TY in a tightly contested five game series. A quarterfinal exit can’t be what GuMiho was looking for, especially since his play was only just rounding into form after a slow start to 2018, but it moved him into 13th place in the WCS rankings, within striking distance of a second consecutive BlizzCon appearance. He’ll need a deep run in GSL to reach that stage, however. His performance in his upcoming GSL group will go a long way to determining if that’s a realistic aspiration as well as dictating where he will lie in next month’s power ranking.


#6

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Serral

+ 1
Serral continues his climb through our power rankings despite not having played a single game against a Korean in over a month. Wins over Namshar, Lambo and souL are nice, but Serral has a reached a point in the rankings where trouncing foreigners won’t move him up any further. He’s already proven many times over that he is the best foreigner in the world, and has displayed what is quite possibly the best form a foreigner has ever achieved. Winning another WCS Circuit event would be nice, but it wouldn’t shoot him past names like Classic, Maru or Rogue.

The true tests will come in the coming months at GSL vs the World and BlizzCon. After starting off IEM Katowice with wins over Rogue, Impact, Zest and Trap, Serral is 1-4 against Koreans since March 4th, a mark which stands in stark contrast to his otherworldly dominance in WCS events. Serral will have to elevate his game to another level if he wants climb into the tier of the true elites.


#5

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TY

+ 1
TY is still here! It may seem inexplicable, but losing to Zest in the GSL semifinals did not strike TY from our top 10 list. There’s a case that losses to Hurricane and herO in online tournaments could have done the deed, but a positive performance against GuMiho and a respectable effort in the aforementioned offline semifinal saves TY’s skin for now.

TY only played 19 games in June, a fact which will probably frustrates his fans to no end while making him incredibly difficult to rank for our purposes. Weighting performances is more important than ever as the writing staff tries to figure how much going 1-2 against Hurricane and herO in online competition compares to a Round of 4 appearance in GSL. There’s no doubt that TY will continue this maddening habit in July, leaving fans and critics alike little hope of figuring out what form he’s in.


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Zest

+ 6
Zest may have managed a second place finish in the last season of GSL, but he’ll have to settle for fourth in the clearly more enlightened Team Liquid power rank. Whether this is an indictment of him, the level of his competition, or the sanctity of GSL, we’re unsure, but it’s quite possible that Zest is not as good as his finals appearance would lead us to believe. After all, he barely survived a sloppy series against TY before being butchered in the finals by Maru. He then flew out to HomeStory Cup, where losses to Lambo, Stephano, and Solar meant he finished in 5/6 place.

While Zest’s play against Protoss and Terran carried him to the GSL Finals, his PvZ remains a glaring issue. He was 4-7 in June (and the first of July) against Zerg, though two of those wins came over RiSky and EonBlue.

Making the GSL finals has all but guaranteed him a spot at the WCS World Championships, but an early exit in Season 3 would do little to inspire confidence that he can make a deep run in the year end event.


#3

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Classic

- 1
Season 2 of GSL came to an unceremonious end for Classic in a 1-4 loss to Maru. He was spectacular during the run up, reminding us time and again why he’s been regarded so highly in 2018. But in the end, it was an inexplicably poor performance—something which is becoming alarmingly common—that brought his tournament to an end.

Classic has gone 45-9 in matches since the beginning of the year, beating all the top players while vaulting himself to second on the WCS points rankings. Many of those nine losses are rather puzzling though given the fact that Classic entered nearly all of them as the heavy favorite. Classic ran roughshod over the field at Katowice, but was swept off the finals stage by Rogue. He was the best Protoss in the world when he met Stats in GSL Season 1, but he stumbled there as well. He crumbled to Dark twice: once at WESG and once in the Super Tournament (after giving Maru his only series defeat of the last three months). Losing to Maru in the Season 2 semifinals is merely a continuation of a pattern which gives credence to the theory that even with his exceptional record, Classic isn't championship material.

Now that GSL is over for Classic, he’ll have three more tournaments to buck the trend in the coming months. Converting form into titles is always the goal, but Classic, who was the second best player of the first half of 2018, still has a ways to go if he wants to do just that.


#2

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Rogue

+ 1
In a testament to just how dominant Maru has been over the past few months, Rogue advances one spot in the power rank by losing a closely contested match to Maru in the GSL quarterfinals. It's reminiscent of TeamLiquid.net power ranks in 2010, where players got credit for not getting totally embarrassed by Flash.

Maru's merciless maulings of Classic and Zest on his way to the Code S title left many fans believing his five-game series against Rogue was the true championship match of the tournament. Rogue fans will be quick to remind you that Rogue actually beat Maru in the late-game—which had previously been thought of as impossible—while Maru took his wins with early-to-mid-game aggression. Given Classic and Zest's PvZ performances in recent weeks, it's all too easy to envision Rogue administering similar beatdowns on his way to the title.

Outside of his spectacular series against Maru, Rogue was typically lackadaisical in June, putting up a pedestrian 16-9 series record. At this point, we just have to accept that from Rogue. He'll get upset by Scarlett in the GSL RO32. He'll lose to Neeb in the Hangzhou StarCraft Carnival. Rogue just doesn't seem interested in being the most dominant player. He's here to hunt the biggest paydays, only bringing his best when the stakes are at their absolute highest.


#1

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Maru

No Change
June was another banner month for Maru, who solidified his hold on the number one spot by winning a second consecutive GSL Code S. Doubts were plentiful heading into his semifinal against Classic, but Maru dispelled all concerns before making Zest look like a North American GM on the world’s biggest stage.

Maru is fast entering historic territory. He just became the second player to win consecutive Code S titles and a third doesn’t look so far-fetched. He’s poised to be the second player to make all three GSL finals in a calendar year since the tournament switched to the three season format, though three wins would far outclass soO’s previously unmatched 2014. Such a feat might seem impossible, but Maru’s 35-7 record since the start of GSL Season 1 indicates that such a reality rests in Maru’s hands alone. He’s beaten every elite player in the world and posts an absurd series 22-1 record since IEM Katowice wrapped up. At this point there’s no doubt that Maru is the best player in the world. The only question is for how long he can keep it up.



Credits and acknowledgements

Ranking contributors: TeamLiquid.net writing staff
Writers: Mizenhauer, Wax
Editor: Wax
Photo Credit: Adela Sznajder
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 09 2018 00:32 GMT
#2
It's a bit bemusing to see Zest as high as fourth place. Beating Dear, cheesing out TY, and then losing a bunch after that equals going up six places from last month?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
July 09 2018 01:39 GMT
#3
Maru is approaching IMMvp levels of dominance IF he can keep this form up and that is frightening considering that the level of play in the game right now is undoubtedly the highest it's ever been.

Maru has gotten to a point where I am audibly applauding Leenock for even taking a single game off of him, his TvZ has looked especially unbeatable lately which is terrifying considering that in the last two rounds of Season 2 he went 8-1 against Classic and Zest.

Maru might actually be doing it, he might actually be on the road to unseating the King of Wings. It's amazing to even consider.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Haikus
Profile Joined April 2018
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-09 02:23:31
July 09 2018 02:22 GMT
#4
Putting dear at #10 over inno and $O$ is looking really silly now after yesterday huh...

edit: Also, serral at #6??? Holy mary mother of foreigner bias.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-09 02:52:48
July 09 2018 02:52 GMT
#5
On July 09 2018 09:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It's a bit bemusing to see Zest as high as fourth place. Beating Dear, cheesing out TY, and then losing a bunch after that equals going up six places from last month?


I'm more impressed with Classic staying #3. Since the last power rank all he has done is beat Byun. Then proceed to lose to Maru, Reynor and sOs.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-09 03:01:40
July 09 2018 03:01 GMT
#6
On July 09 2018 11:52 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2018 09:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It's a bit bemusing to see Zest as high as fourth place. Beating Dear, cheesing out TY, and then losing a bunch after that equals going up six places from last month?


I'm more impressed with Classic staying #3. Since the last power rank all he has done is beat Byun. Then proceed to lose to Maru, Reynor and sOs.


Losing to Reynor and sOs came after the power rank was established. The only games he played in June and that were considered for this list were beating ByuN and losing to Maru, so it makes sense that his rank stayed the same.
Decado1
Profile Joined June 2018
7 Posts
July 09 2018 03:43 GMT
#7
Serral on this list is hilarious, but it wouldn't be TL without some wacky power rankings, now would it? (EG-TL the monster and all that jazz)

I hope Serral isn't too scared for GSL vs the World, then we will see him whoop noobs lower on this list than him
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
July 09 2018 03:56 GMT
#8
On July 09 2018 12:43 Decado1 wrote:
Serral on this list is hilarious, but it wouldn't be TL without some wacky power rankings, now would it? (EG-TL the monster and all that jazz)

I hope Serral isn't too scared for GSL vs the World, then we will see him whoop noobs lower on this list than him


I don't think putting Serral up here is ridiculous at all and I think that for one very specific reason. We have foreigners qualifying for GSL Code S consistently for the first time in the game's history, and some like Reynor and Scarlett are actually making waves in it.

And yet Serral is as dominant if not more so in the foreign scene as Maru is in the Korean scene. So the question has to be asked, what would happen if he took GSL as seriously as he took WCS?

If Serral is that much better than anyone else in the foreign scene the way he has looked, and the top foreigners are creeping up on Code S caliber then where does Serral actually lie?

It's fun to think about. I look forward to seeing what he does at GSL vs World and Blizzcon.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-09 04:14:26
July 09 2018 04:13 GMT
#9
Great power ranking, great write up. As others have said, I think Serral's position is justifiable, especially considering how Reynor just smashed his group (although that wouldn't have been taken into account). Looking forward to Leenock and Reynor making next months cut, and as a Maru fan-boy (he's the only sc2 player I can truly claim to have ever been a fan of), I'm excited to see him win his third finals this season and ascend to Flash levels of dominance.
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Decado1
Profile Joined June 2018
7 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-09 04:18:44
July 09 2018 04:18 GMT
#10
On July 09 2018 12:56 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2018 12:43 Decado1 wrote:
Serral on this list is hilarious, but it wouldn't be TL without some wacky power rankings, now would it? (EG-TL the monster and all that jazz)

I hope Serral isn't too scared for GSL vs the World, then we will see him whoop noobs lower on this list than him


I don't think putting Serral up here is ridiculous at all and I think that for one very specific reason. We have foreigners qualifying for GSL Code S consistently for the first time in the game's history, and some like Reynor and Scarlett are actually making waves in it.

And yet Serral is as dominant if not more so in the foreign scene as Maru is in the Korean scene. So the question has to be asked, what would happen if he took GSL as seriously as he took WCS?

If Serral is that much better than anyone else in the foreign scene the way he has looked, and the top foreigners are creeping up on Code S caliber then where does Serral actually lie?

It's fun to think about. I look forward to seeing what he does at GSL vs World and Blizzcon.


People said the same thing about Neeb in 2016 and 2017. When it came time to show up, he got destroyed in both WCS Global Finals. Has a foreigner ever won the Global Finals? Nope. Neeb used to look incredible vs foreigners and win all the foreigner WCS too... Before that it was Stephano, and Lilbow, and Lucifron, and Idra, and.... you get the point.

It's just sad people stay in denial and these power "rankings" show it. Serral's chance to win the Global Finals is 0%. No reason to hype him up so much when you know the truth. If he wins a single tournament of note (one in which Koreans aren't banned) I'll raise an eyebrow, but seeing as Classic schooled him in IEM and WESCG, I don't think that will ever happen.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
July 09 2018 04:28 GMT
#11
On July 09 2018 13:18 Decado1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2018 12:56 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 09 2018 12:43 Decado1 wrote:
Serral on this list is hilarious, but it wouldn't be TL without some wacky power rankings, now would it? (EG-TL the monster and all that jazz)

I hope Serral isn't too scared for GSL vs the World, then we will see him whoop noobs lower on this list than him


I don't think putting Serral up here is ridiculous at all and I think that for one very specific reason. We have foreigners qualifying for GSL Code S consistently for the first time in the game's history, and some like Reynor and Scarlett are actually making waves in it.

And yet Serral is as dominant if not more so in the foreign scene as Maru is in the Korean scene. So the question has to be asked, what would happen if he took GSL as seriously as he took WCS?

If Serral is that much better than anyone else in the foreign scene the way he has looked, and the top foreigners are creeping up on Code S caliber then where does Serral actually lie?

It's fun to think about. I look forward to seeing what he does at GSL vs World and Blizzcon.


People said the same thing about Neeb in 2016 and 2017. When it came time to show up, he got destroyed in both WCS Global Finals. Has a foreigner ever won the Global Finals? Nope. Neeb used to look incredible vs foreigners and win all the foreigner WCS too... Before that it was Stephano, and Lilbow, and Lucifron, and Idra, and.... you get the point.

It's just sad people stay in denial and these power "rankings" show it. Serral's chance to win the Global Finals is 0%. No reason to hype him up so much when you know the truth. If he wins a single tournament of note (one in which Koreans aren't banned) I'll raise an eyebrow, but seeing as Classic schooled him in IEM and WESCG, I don't think that will ever happen.


I know what you're saying, but believe me if you actually watch Serral play you'll understand something. He's for real. Neeb outside of PvP never looked for real, he was winning but his level of play was never consistently amazing to the point where you thought "he's actually legit" or at least never looked that way to me.

Serral is for real, and thus far he HAS put up respectable performances when he's gone against Koreans in the past and this year he looks even better than he did last year.

Is he is as good as Maru? No way. Do I think he can reasonably compete with most of the GSL Code S roster? Yea I do.

He isn't gonna win a global final I dont think, but number 6 on this power ranking doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
July 09 2018 04:32 GMT
#12
On July 09 2018 13:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2018 13:18 Decado1 wrote:
On July 09 2018 12:56 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 09 2018 12:43 Decado1 wrote:
Serral on this list is hilarious, but it wouldn't be TL without some wacky power rankings, now would it? (EG-TL the monster and all that jazz)

I hope Serral isn't too scared for GSL vs the World, then we will see him whoop noobs lower on this list than him


I don't think putting Serral up here is ridiculous at all and I think that for one very specific reason. We have foreigners qualifying for GSL Code S consistently for the first time in the game's history, and some like Reynor and Scarlett are actually making waves in it.

And yet Serral is as dominant if not more so in the foreign scene as Maru is in the Korean scene. So the question has to be asked, what would happen if he took GSL as seriously as he took WCS?

If Serral is that much better than anyone else in the foreign scene the way he has looked, and the top foreigners are creeping up on Code S caliber then where does Serral actually lie?

It's fun to think about. I look forward to seeing what he does at GSL vs World and Blizzcon.


People said the same thing about Neeb in 2016 and 2017. When it came time to show up, he got destroyed in both WCS Global Finals. Has a foreigner ever won the Global Finals? Nope. Neeb used to look incredible vs foreigners and win all the foreigner WCS too... Before that it was Stephano, and Lilbow, and Lucifron, and Idra, and.... you get the point.

It's just sad people stay in denial and these power "rankings" show it. Serral's chance to win the Global Finals is 0%. No reason to hype him up so much when you know the truth. If he wins a single tournament of note (one in which Koreans aren't banned) I'll raise an eyebrow, but seeing as Classic schooled him in IEM and WESCG, I don't think that will ever happen.


I know what you're saying, but believe me if you actually watch Serral play you'll understand something. He's for real. Neeb outside of PvP never looked for real, he was winning but his level of play was never consistently amazing to the point where you thought "he's actually legit" or at least never looked that way to me.

Serral is for real, and thus far he HAS put up respectable performances when he's gone against Koreans in the past and this year he looks even better than he did last year.

Is he is as good as Maru? No way. Do I think he can reasonably compete with most of the GSL Code S roster? Yea I do.

He isn't gonna win a global final I dont think, but number 6 on this power ranking doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

Exactly. Scarlett made a round of 8 and got destroyed. But given his form, Serral making a ro8 and being competitive wouldn't be surprising.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 09 2018 05:04 GMT
#13
On July 09 2018 13:32 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2018 13:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 09 2018 13:18 Decado1 wrote:
On July 09 2018 12:56 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 09 2018 12:43 Decado1 wrote:
Serral on this list is hilarious, but it wouldn't be TL without some wacky power rankings, now would it? (EG-TL the monster and all that jazz)

I hope Serral isn't too scared for GSL vs the World, then we will see him whoop noobs lower on this list than him


I don't think putting Serral up here is ridiculous at all and I think that for one very specific reason. We have foreigners qualifying for GSL Code S consistently for the first time in the game's history, and some like Reynor and Scarlett are actually making waves in it.

And yet Serral is as dominant if not more so in the foreign scene as Maru is in the Korean scene. So the question has to be asked, what would happen if he took GSL as seriously as he took WCS?

If Serral is that much better than anyone else in the foreign scene the way he has looked, and the top foreigners are creeping up on Code S caliber then where does Serral actually lie?

It's fun to think about. I look forward to seeing what he does at GSL vs World and Blizzcon.


People said the same thing about Neeb in 2016 and 2017. When it came time to show up, he got destroyed in both WCS Global Finals. Has a foreigner ever won the Global Finals? Nope. Neeb used to look incredible vs foreigners and win all the foreigner WCS too... Before that it was Stephano, and Lilbow, and Lucifron, and Idra, and.... you get the point.

It's just sad people stay in denial and these power "rankings" show it. Serral's chance to win the Global Finals is 0%. No reason to hype him up so much when you know the truth. If he wins a single tournament of note (one in which Koreans aren't banned) I'll raise an eyebrow, but seeing as Classic schooled him in IEM and WESCG, I don't think that will ever happen.


I know what you're saying, but believe me if you actually watch Serral play you'll understand something. He's for real. Neeb outside of PvP never looked for real, he was winning but his level of play was never consistently amazing to the point where you thought "he's actually legit" or at least never looked that way to me.

Serral is for real, and thus far he HAS put up respectable performances when he's gone against Koreans in the past and this year he looks even better than he did last year.

Is he is as good as Maru? No way. Do I think he can reasonably compete with most of the GSL Code S roster? Yea I do.

He isn't gonna win a global final I dont think, but number 6 on this power ranking doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

Exactly. Scarlett made a round of 8 and got destroyed. But given his form, Serral making a ro8 and being competitive wouldn't be surprising.


Serral has a decent shot at beating any Protoss or Zerg in the world--his ZvT is quite far behind his other match-ups though and it'll stay that way unless he goes to Korea.
dummy1
Profile Blog Joined April 2018
420 Posts
July 09 2018 05:06 GMT
#14
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Haikus
Profile Joined April 2018
15 Posts
July 09 2018 05:25 GMT
#15
On July 09 2018 13:32 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2018 13:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 09 2018 13:18 Decado1 wrote:
On July 09 2018 12:56 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 09 2018 12:43 Decado1 wrote:
Serral on this list is hilarious, but it wouldn't be TL without some wacky power rankings, now would it? (EG-TL the monster and all that jazz)

I hope Serral isn't too scared for GSL vs the World, then we will see him whoop noobs lower on this list than him


I don't think putting Serral up here is ridiculous at all and I think that for one very specific reason. We have foreigners qualifying for GSL Code S consistently for the first time in the game's history, and some like Reynor and Scarlett are actually making waves in it.

And yet Serral is as dominant if not more so in the foreign scene as Maru is in the Korean scene. So the question has to be asked, what would happen if he took GSL as seriously as he took WCS?

If Serral is that much better than anyone else in the foreign scene the way he has looked, and the top foreigners are creeping up on Code S caliber then where does Serral actually lie?

It's fun to think about. I look forward to seeing what he does at GSL vs World and Blizzcon.


People said the same thing about Neeb in 2016 and 2017. When it came time to show up, he got destroyed in both WCS Global Finals. Has a foreigner ever won the Global Finals? Nope. Neeb used to look incredible vs foreigners and win all the foreigner WCS too... Before that it was Stephano, and Lilbow, and Lucifron, and Idra, and.... you get the point.

It's just sad people stay in denial and these power "rankings" show it. Serral's chance to win the Global Finals is 0%. No reason to hype him up so much when you know the truth. If he wins a single tournament of note (one in which Koreans aren't banned) I'll raise an eyebrow, but seeing as Classic schooled him in IEM and WESCG, I don't think that will ever happen.


I know what you're saying, but believe me if you actually watch Serral play you'll understand something. He's for real. Neeb outside of PvP never looked for real, he was winning but his level of play was never consistently amazing to the point where you thought "he's actually legit" or at least never looked that way to me.

Serral is for real, and thus far he HAS put up respectable performances when he's gone against Koreans in the past and this year he looks even better than he did last year.

Is he is as good as Maru? No way. Do I think he can reasonably compete with most of the GSL Code S roster? Yea I do.

He isn't gonna win a global final I dont think, but number 6 on this power ranking doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

Exactly. Scarlett made a round of 8 and got destroyed. But given his form, Serral making a ro8 and being competitive wouldn't be surprising.


The problem I have with putting serral where he is, isn't about whether or not serral might make it into ro16 or ro8 or beat any korean. The problem is when you put him at #6, you're effectively saying that he has a better chance than #7-10 and innovation and soo, and all the other koreans that didn't make the list, and I don't think any sane person who's been following the scene can say with a straight face that they would give serral better chances than innovation or soo or any number of the koreans he's ranked above.
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
July 09 2018 05:55 GMT
#16
On July 09 2018 14:25 Haikus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2018 13:32 Subversive wrote:
On July 09 2018 13:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 09 2018 13:18 Decado1 wrote:
On July 09 2018 12:56 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 09 2018 12:43 Decado1 wrote:
Serral on this list is hilarious, but it wouldn't be TL without some wacky power rankings, now would it? (EG-TL the monster and all that jazz)

I hope Serral isn't too scared for GSL vs the World, then we will see him whoop noobs lower on this list than him


I don't think putting Serral up here is ridiculous at all and I think that for one very specific reason. We have foreigners qualifying for GSL Code S consistently for the first time in the game's history, and some like Reynor and Scarlett are actually making waves in it.

And yet Serral is as dominant if not more so in the foreign scene as Maru is in the Korean scene. So the question has to be asked, what would happen if he took GSL as seriously as he took WCS?

If Serral is that much better than anyone else in the foreign scene the way he has looked, and the top foreigners are creeping up on Code S caliber then where does Serral actually lie?

It's fun to think about. I look forward to seeing what he does at GSL vs World and Blizzcon.


People said the same thing about Neeb in 2016 and 2017. When it came time to show up, he got destroyed in both WCS Global Finals. Has a foreigner ever won the Global Finals? Nope. Neeb used to look incredible vs foreigners and win all the foreigner WCS too... Before that it was Stephano, and Lilbow, and Lucifron, and Idra, and.... you get the point.

It's just sad people stay in denial and these power "rankings" show it. Serral's chance to win the Global Finals is 0%. No reason to hype him up so much when you know the truth. If he wins a single tournament of note (one in which Koreans aren't banned) I'll raise an eyebrow, but seeing as Classic schooled him in IEM and WESCG, I don't think that will ever happen.


I know what you're saying, but believe me if you actually watch Serral play you'll understand something. He's for real. Neeb outside of PvP never looked for real, he was winning but his level of play was never consistently amazing to the point where you thought "he's actually legit" or at least never looked that way to me.

Serral is for real, and thus far he HAS put up respectable performances when he's gone against Koreans in the past and this year he looks even better than he did last year.

Is he is as good as Maru? No way. Do I think he can reasonably compete with most of the GSL Code S roster? Yea I do.

He isn't gonna win a global final I dont think, but number 6 on this power ranking doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

Exactly. Scarlett made a round of 8 and got destroyed. But given his form, Serral making a ro8 and being competitive wouldn't be surprising.


The problem I have with putting serral where he is, isn't about whether or not serral might make it into ro16 or ro8 or beat any korean. The problem is when you put him at #6, you're effectively saying that he has a better chance than #7-10 and innovation and soo, and all the other koreans that didn't make the list, and I don't think any sane person who's been following the scene can say with a straight face that they would give serral better chances than innovation or soo or any number of the koreans he's ranked above.

I see where you're coming from and to an extent I agree. It's hard to make a power ranking when the scene is divided. Personally, I think Serral could beat an out of shape Inno, Trap or Dear. But sOs, Dark and Stats? Perhaps, but he's probably not favoured. Perhaps he is too high
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 09 2018 06:19 GMT
#17
No way Serral deserves to be that high up. I could've let it slide last month, but not this time. He's dominating foreigners like a top-tier Zerg would, but it's simply been too long since he's played any Koreans.

Compared to Gumiho for instance who's been a total shark online and only narrowly lost a ro8 match to one of the best TvTs around.

Gumiho vs Koreans this year

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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
July 09 2018 06:29 GMT
#18
The true test of Serral gonna be WCS finals. Till then we can all speculate and argue, but it is kinda pointless. I dont mind him rated high, he s demolishing the foreigner pro scene, and many of those foregin pros are beating mid level korean pros, so it s not baseless having him rated high, but then again the proof of the pudding is in the eating and all that.

I think it makes sense for him not to attend GSL, winning it would be very very hard, and I would argue that moving to korea would impede his chances of winning the WCS or making it very deep. The prize-pool of WCS is so much bigger than GSL
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15892 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-09 07:52:38
July 09 2018 07:50 GMT
#19
On July 09 2018 13:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2018 13:18 Decado1 wrote:
On July 09 2018 12:56 Vindicare605 wrote:
On July 09 2018 12:43 Decado1 wrote:
Serral on this list is hilarious, but it wouldn't be TL without some wacky power rankings, now would it? (EG-TL the monster and all that jazz)

I hope Serral isn't too scared for GSL vs the World, then we will see him whoop noobs lower on this list than him


I don't think putting Serral up here is ridiculous at all and I think that for one very specific reason. We have foreigners qualifying for GSL Code S consistently for the first time in the game's history, and some like Reynor and Scarlett are actually making waves in it.

And yet Serral is as dominant if not more so in the foreign scene as Maru is in the Korean scene. So the question has to be asked, what would happen if he took GSL as seriously as he took WCS?

If Serral is that much better than anyone else in the foreign scene the way he has looked, and the top foreigners are creeping up on Code S caliber then where does Serral actually lie?

It's fun to think about. I look forward to seeing what he does at GSL vs World and Blizzcon.


People said the same thing about Neeb in 2016 and 2017. When it came time to show up, he got destroyed in both WCS Global Finals. Has a foreigner ever won the Global Finals? Nope. Neeb used to look incredible vs foreigners and win all the foreigner WCS too... Before that it was Stephano, and Lilbow, and Lucifron, and Idra, and.... you get the point.

It's just sad people stay in denial and these power "rankings" show it. Serral's chance to win the Global Finals is 0%. No reason to hype him up so much when you know the truth. If he wins a single tournament of note (one in which Koreans aren't banned) I'll raise an eyebrow, but seeing as Classic schooled him in IEM and WESCG, I don't think that will ever happen.


I know what you're saying, but believe me if you actually watch Serral play you'll understand something. He's for real. Neeb outside of PvP never looked for real, he was winning but his level of play was never consistently amazing to the point where you thought "he's actually legit" or at least never looked that way to me.

Serral is for real, and thus far he HAS put up respectable performances when he's gone against Koreans in the past and this year he looks even better than he did last year.

Is he is as good as Maru? No way. Do I think he can reasonably compete with most of the GSL Code S roster? Yea I do.

He isn't gonna win a global final I dont think, but number 6 on this power ranking doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

I just think it's a bit ridicolous that someone like Dark gets degraded to rank 8 because of one bad performance despite having otherwise really good results and for Serral winning foreigner events is enough to put him higher than that.
I'd say Serral is definitely top 10 but #6 is to high for someone who hasn't proved himself against koreans.
No way he deserves to be ranked above Dark or Stats.
Stats falling out of the power rank completely because of his 1 ro16 exit is crazy too but I mentioned that already in the previous PR.
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3340 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-09 07:54:41
July 09 2018 07:53 GMT
#20
Where is Solar?
I can never get excited by Dear's play no matter how much people hype him, he just doesn't have the micro necessary to be the top Protoss.
I think sOs becomes the best Protoss whenever he deems it worthy and that should be about now, he looked pretty good in his group.
ByuN is also not in a slump anymore.
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