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On August 07 2018 21:59 fronkschnonk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 18:01 LSN wrote:
Of course noone ever talked here about best player in the world until maru started to dominate. While I am not saying he is not the the best player in the world, I am pointing out that best player of the world is only ever an issue while terrans dominate. While others dominate it is due to circumstances, excuses of any kind, accusations.
The last time best player of the world (before maru) was a thing to talk about was obviously innovation. Before it were Taeja, innovation, MvP.
Uhm, what? Zest was called the best in the world for being fucking dominant in 2014, so was soO for making 4 GSL finals in a row, so was Life for being the beast he was, so was Nestea for being "The creator of the universe", so were Seed and later Dear for peaking hard for a half year, so was SoS for being an allkill-monster in Proleague and winning WCS twice.
You're operating based on ordinary reality rather than "rigged reality". Open your eyes and LSN can fix that for you. I've been missing swag_bro again lately. This is the next best thing.
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On the topic of missing people, serrals victory made me realize I miss usopsama, what happened to him?
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On August 07 2018 15:38 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2018 23:57 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 12:36 Soularion wrote:On August 06 2018 07:45 Fango wrote:On August 05 2018 20:47 Soularion wrote:On August 05 2018 20:38 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2018 20:35 Soularion wrote:
Listen I called all of this shit before it happened.
Some of you guys needed to respect what Serral was doing and all I can do is hope that you do now. The dude is seriously fucking good. where is Stats in this ranking? I called this shit before it happened. Stats is good. No idea why you guys didn't respect him. Always amusing to see people saying "I told you so" after an upset tournament run. Sometimes you're right with your prediction, sometimes you're just as wrong. Meanwhile Serral has put up insane win rates against foreigners and made top 3 at WESG over Classic, top 4 at Katowice. He literally had the results and the play of a top korean and just didn't have the opportunity, so instead of betting with play a lot of people bet illogically that he wouldn't play as great as he's played all year for whatever reason even though he's clearly played great in almost every series he's played all year. Regardless of how well he played here, I'd still argue Serral's results before weren't enough to call him top 1,2,3 or whatever. Katowice was impressive in terms of result, but he didn't have the hardest route to the ro4. Classic was the first player he met that TL considered top 10 going into the event, and he lost 0-3 to him. If Trap didn't throw game 3, people would have forgotten about the run just like last year's tragedy against Dark. Fair enough if you argue he was a top player based on judging his skill level in wcs. But the results weren't there. But that's a pretty myopic view. In the context of the event he proved that he has damn good ZvZ, beating Rogue who has become since by all means a tier-2 ZvZ in my eyes (some people argue he's equal to soO/Dark, I think he has similar highs but not as consistent), beating Impact who is probably tier-3 ZvZ, beating Trap who was at the time one of the best PvZ players even though his other two matchups were quite bad. On top of that you add him whooping Classic at WESG and going on a 20-some odd series win streak in Bo3+ since, and it's clear to see that Serral was at minimum a top 5 player and in my opinion a top 3 player going into this event - not purely because of his skill, but also because a lot of the other contenders for that spot (Classic, Dark) had big holes in their resumes where as Serral had been near-flawless for months. Beating players outside the top 10 doesn't make anyone top 3 in my opinion. His Katowice run was just overrated in my eyes, Classic was the first elite player he met and he got absolutely destroyed. He would have lost 0-3 to Trap as well if he didn't throw the eastwatch map. And lets not forget Neeb was beating him until the pc lagged out and he lost his entire army because of it. This was all before the ZvP nerfs as well. In short, I think ro4 is good on paper, but his run to get there wasn't that hard. (Beating Classic in the 3rd place match at WeSG was good though, I agree with that) But people still hold him to a much easier standard than koreans. Solar for example also went 5-0 in his Katowice group, against better players. The reason he didn't make ro4 like Serral is because he met Maru in the ro8, who I think we can all agree would have roasted Serral as well. The only reason Solar didn't qualify for WeSG as well is because he lost 2-1 to Maru in the qualifiers, in the actual event Serral lost 3-0 to that same player. Yet no one has put Solar on a top-anything list this year. welcome to the world where losing to Maru is a feat of strength, and winning several WCS-es and beating people outside TL power ranks dont count for anything.
God people really like to misunderstand things today. I said that beating people outside of top 10 is not enough to consider someone one of the best. I never said it doesn't count for anything.
I also said that people hold Serral to a much easier standard than any other player. For example Solar, who's performance in the global events earlier this year was no worse than Serral's yet didn't get him on a top-anything list.
And when exactly did I say losing to Maru is a feat of strength? Beating everyone until you meet Maru is a feat of strength. That happened to both Solar and Serral earlier this year.
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On August 07 2018 22:56 DBooN wrote:
On the topic of missing people, serrals victory made me realize I miss usopsama, what happened to him?
In hiding until foreigners suck again.
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On August 07 2018 22:56 DBooN wrote:
On the topic of missing people, serrals victory made me realize I miss usopsama, what happened to him?
He got banned for a month back in like June, but hasn't been back after it was over 
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On August 07 2018 23:21 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2018 15:38 Geo.Rion wrote:On August 06 2018 23:57 Fango wrote:On August 06 2018 12:36 Soularion wrote:On August 06 2018 07:45 Fango wrote:On August 05 2018 20:47 Soularion wrote:On August 05 2018 20:38 Charoisaur wrote:On August 05 2018 20:35 Soularion wrote:
Listen I called all of this shit before it happened.
Some of you guys needed to respect what Serral was doing and all I can do is hope that you do now. The dude is seriously fucking good. where is Stats in this ranking? I called this shit before it happened. Stats is good. No idea why you guys didn't respect him. Always amusing to see people saying "I told you so" after an upset tournament run. Sometimes you're right with your prediction, sometimes you're just as wrong. Meanwhile Serral has put up insane win rates against foreigners and made top 3 at WESG over Classic, top 4 at Katowice. He literally had the results and the play of a top korean and just didn't have the opportunity, so instead of betting with play a lot of people bet illogically that he wouldn't play as great as he's played all year for whatever reason even though he's clearly played great in almost every series he's played all year. Regardless of how well he played here, I'd still argue Serral's results before weren't enough to call him top 1,2,3 or whatever. Katowice was impressive in terms of result, but he didn't have the hardest route to the ro4. Classic was the first player he met that TL considered top 10 going into the event, and he lost 0-3 to him. If Trap didn't throw game 3, people would have forgotten about the run just like last year's tragedy against Dark. Fair enough if you argue he was a top player based on judging his skill level in wcs. But the results weren't there. But that's a pretty myopic view. In the context of the event he proved that he has damn good ZvZ, beating Rogue who has become since by all means a tier-2 ZvZ in my eyes (some people argue he's equal to soO/Dark, I think he has similar highs but not as consistent), beating Impact who is probably tier-3 ZvZ, beating Trap who was at the time one of the best PvZ players even though his other two matchups were quite bad. On top of that you add him whooping Classic at WESG and going on a 20-some odd series win streak in Bo3+ since, and it's clear to see that Serral was at minimum a top 5 player and in my opinion a top 3 player going into this event - not purely because of his skill, but also because a lot of the other contenders for that spot (Classic, Dark) had big holes in their resumes where as Serral had been near-flawless for months. Beating players outside the top 10 doesn't make anyone top 3 in my opinion. His Katowice run was just overrated in my eyes, Classic was the first elite player he met and he got absolutely destroyed. He would have lost 0-3 to Trap as well if he didn't throw the eastwatch map. And lets not forget Neeb was beating him until the pc lagged out and he lost his entire army because of it. This was all before the ZvP nerfs as well. In short, I think ro4 is good on paper, but his run to get there wasn't that hard. (Beating Classic in the 3rd place match at WeSG was good though, I agree with that) But people still hold him to a much easier standard than koreans. Solar for example also went 5-0 in his Katowice group, against better players. The reason he didn't make ro4 like Serral is because he met Maru in the ro8, who I think we can all agree would have roasted Serral as well. The only reason Solar didn't qualify for WeSG as well is because he lost 2-1 to Maru in the qualifiers, in the actual event Serral lost 3-0 to that same player. Yet no one has put Solar on a top-anything list this year. welcome to the world where losing to Maru is a feat of strength, and winning several WCS-es and beating people outside TL power ranks dont count for anything. God people really like to misunderstand things today. I said that beating people outside of top 10 is not enough to consider someone one of the best. I never said it doesn't count for anything. I also said that people hold Serral to a much easier standard than any other player. For example Solar, who's performance in the global events earlier this year was no worse than Serral's yet didn't get him on a top-anything list. And when exactly did I say losing to Maru is a feat of strength? Beating everyone until you meet Maru is a feat of strength. That happened to both Solar and Serral earlier this year.
The thing is that Serral's aligulac rating speaks for him compared to Solar.
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