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On October 08 2017 22:40 beheamothsc wrote:
personally i dont think he contributed much, he was good and it was just 'noticable' is all. His play style was very similar to everyone else, he just seemed to get a little more out of his units than most. I hate to say this as im the last person who agrees but lifes dominance (so to speak) was at the time zerg was flavour of the season, if you just looked at the win rates per race.
i wouldnt mind letting him come back on the scene just to see if its the case with the current resurgence of terran and toss to see if he really can engineer new ways to approach the match up as right now everyone's gone back to a muta ling bling . . .didnt we have this in wol?
Life was the only winning zerg for many seasons! Similar to innovation.
Life invented the playstyle with zerglings. Nobody else could do the same things with zerglings and mutas and still nobody can.
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I'm in favor of a zero tolerance policy. I don't really understand why, for every famous person that abuses their power, there are legions of people that want to put that person back into power.
In my opinion...
If I'm an entrepeneur and I defraud the state, I should no longer have any sort of access to government loans and so on. Instead I can just become an employee somewhere. If I'm a politician and I'm caught solliciting bribes, I should be banned from all government functions and perhaps go work in the private sector. If I'm an athlete and I'm caught using doping and engaging in matchfixing I should just be eliminated from professional competition. If I really enjoy what I'm doing I can continue as an amateur in my spare time, while otherwise pursuing a career in some other place.
None of these are personal foibles or sins. If I'm an athlete and I'm caught using recreational drugs or engaging in illegal gambling, then this should in my view not be considered a breach of professional ethics. Perhaps legally my employer has a right to fire me based on some contract I signed, but I shouldn't be prevented from seeking employment within the same industry. But if I commit a very serious breach of professional ethics, like matchfixing for an athlete, or fraudulent behavior for a banker, then I should be seen as toxic and should be barred from the sector, at least for a handful of years and contingent on reforming as a person.
In all of these scenarios I would be something of a role model, these are positions with a lot of visibility where I can gain a lot of wealth or power. The standards should be even higher there. Furthermore, I can always find employment elsewhere.
I understand why athletes would be trying to get away with it, they probably like getting to play games for a living and being adored by many. And fans might consider these players talented and charismatic and want to see them play, and are invested in their careers. And for organizers they might be big draws with existing fan bases. But it's still not right.
A cashier who steals from a cash register in the supermarket in a local town once can be blacklisted from all realistic avenues of employment, and no one cares while that person languishes in poverty. But if you get to be on television you can commit any crime, no matter how serious, and you will be rehabilitated and forgiven.
Life is still young, he can just go to university and become an obscure student. That's what he deserves, and it's not a bad fate. Same for Savior. They should just move on and accept their losses. Any continuing presence in the community is a signal to amoral people everywhere that they can get away with it, and that if you're famous or powerful enough professional standards don't apply to you.
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life lived long enough to become a villain
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On October 09 2017 22:22 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2017 22:17 Ej_ wrote:
Reminder that Life did win GSL after SH nerf, bringing out new builds and cheeses. It was one of the 2 starleagues in all of HotS won by a Zerg player. Admittedly, he did get a bit lucky against herO (the infamous game 7 on Iron Fortress), but that was an extremely impressive run, given the state of Zerg in Korea at the time.
While ByuL made 3 combined finals in the 3 consecutive starleagues after that (SSL, GSL, GSL), he wasn't close to winning any of them.
No he did not, he won the GSL 2015 S1 and SH was pre nerf (look at the game 2 in the final)
Even the game 6 in that same GSL series from where he takes the lucky game #7 on Iron Fortress was played with long lasting SH... 
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On the topic.
Life is similar to Parting and Maru. All these players were winning fights in which they were supposed to lose because their composition was:
1) weaker
2) at the "wrong" position
3) "bad"
And they were winning these fights because of their micro. Anyone could have done what Life was doing with lings. None have made it. Or they chose the safer way(e.g. soO, DRG) because - let's face it - this micro intensive aggressive style is about immaculate control. 1 mistake can end the game while being on the safer side of the play you can get away with small mistakes(even on this level).
I don't play Zerg but I dare to say that Life didn't invent anything. He made several builds more aggressive, he showed that being aggressive is viable but he polished others builds. The same way Maru didn't invent the MMMM style, but was a beast in it. And the same way Parting didn't invent blink stalkers timings. Not sure about immortal all in(my bet is on Squirtle but it's a long time ago  ).
Wrote this in the past tense as I don't know how's Maru lately and to be fair it's about Life time which was before LotV anyway
(Parting actually made Protoss history with the Templar style IIRC but this is about Life ))
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On October 09 2017 23:41 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2017 22:22 stilt wrote:On October 09 2017 22:17 Ej_ wrote:
Reminder that Life did win GSL after SH nerf, bringing out new builds and cheeses. It was one of the 2 starleagues in all of HotS won by a Zerg player. Admittedly, he did get a bit lucky against herO (the infamous game 7 on Iron Fortress), but that was an extremely impressive run, given the state of Zerg in Korea at the time.
While ByuL made 3 combined finals in the 3 consecutive starleagues after that (SSL, GSL, GSL), he wasn't close to winning any of them.
No he did not, he won the GSL 2015 S1 and SH was pre nerf (look at the game 2 in the final) Even the game 6 in that same GSL series from where he takes the lucky game #7 on Iron Fortress was played with long lasting SH... _________________________________ On the topic. Life is similar to Parting and Maru. All these players were winning fights in which they were supposed to lose because their composition was: 1) weaker 2) at the "wrong" position 3) "bad" And they were winning these fights because of their micro. Anyone could have done what Life was doing with lings. None have made it. Or they chose the safer way(e.g. soO, DRG) because - let's face it - this micro intensive aggressive style is about immaculate control. 1 mistake can end the game while being on the safer side of the play you can get away with small mistakes(even on this level). I don't play Zerg but I dare to say that Life didn't invent anything. He made several builds more aggressive, he showed that being aggressive is viable but he polished others builds. The same way Maru didn't invent the MMMM style, but was a beast in it. And the same way Parting didn't invent blink stalkers timings. Not sure about immortal all in(my bet is on Squirtle but it's a long time ago ). Wrote this in the past tense as I don't know how's Maru lately and to be fair it's about Life time which was before LotV anyway (Parting actually made Protoss history with the Templar style IIRC but this is about Life ))
yay 2 bases immortal sentry all in was definitly a Squirtle build, polished by Parting
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God I never understood this.
You get punished ONCE for your crime. Lynching for years after this, is stupid. There were much more terrible things that famous people have done, and didn't receive the same reaction for stupid few video games matchfixing made by 18 year old.
Get a grip on reality. Which one of you was perfect role model at age of 17-18?
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On October 10 2017 00:33 NightOfTheDead wrote:
God I never understood this.
You get punished ONCE for your crime. Lynching for years after this, is stupid. There were much more terrible things that famous people have done, and didn't receive the same reaction for stupid few video games matchfixing made by 18 year old.
Get a grip on reality. Which one of you was perfect role model at age of 17-18?
Just keep it calm. Otherwise this thread will end up as the others, locked.
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I would like to say that Life as a player contributed heavily to the way people viewed zerg play (specifically the use of zerglings). Life was so good at finding any opening he could and gaining incremental advantage through aggressive, cost-efficient ling play.
I would also like to say that Life's "abuse" of zerglings led to the ling infestor playstyle that was abused to hit BL/festor compositions, which Stephano was clearly master class at abusing in weekend tournaments.
I can't say SC2 ever had groundbreaking meta destruction like BW, but it doesn't necessarily have to for Life to still have been an influential player.
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On October 10 2017 00:33 NightOfTheDead wrote:
God I never understood this.
You get punished ONCE for your crime. Lynching for years after this, is stupid. There were much more terrible things that famous people have done, and didn't receive the same reaction for stupid few video games matchfixing made by 18 year old.
Get a grip on reality. Which one of you was perfect role model at age of 17-18?
This is exactly the type of post that screams to the mods to lock this thread.
And nobody here pronounced judgement on Life. Go preach this kind of moralizing bullshit to the Korean legal system and see if they care.
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On October 09 2017 23:41 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2017 22:22 stilt wrote:On October 09 2017 22:17 Ej_ wrote:
Reminder that Life did win GSL after SH nerf, bringing out new builds and cheeses. It was one of the 2 starleagues in all of HotS won by a Zerg player. Admittedly, he did get a bit lucky against herO (the infamous game 7 on Iron Fortress), but that was an extremely impressive run, given the state of Zerg in Korea at the time.
While ByuL made 3 combined finals in the 3 consecutive starleagues after that (SSL, GSL, GSL), he wasn't close to winning any of them.
No he did not, he won the GSL 2015 S1 and SH was pre nerf (look at the game 2 in the final) Even the game 6 in that same GSL series from where he takes the lucky game #7 on Iron Fortress was played with long lasting SH... _________________________________ On the topic. Life is similar to Parting and Maru. All these players were winning fights in which they were supposed to lose because their composition was: 1) weaker 2) at the "wrong" position 3) "bad" And they were winning these fights because of their micro. Anyone could have done what Life was doing with lings. None have made it. Or they chose the safer way(e.g. soO, DRG) because - let's face it - this micro intensive aggressive style is about immaculate control. 1 mistake can end the game while being on the safer side of the play you can get away with small mistakes(even on this level). I don't play Zerg but I dare to say that Life didn't invent anything. He made several builds more aggressive, he showed that being aggressive is viable but he polished others builds. The same way Maru didn't invent the MMMM style, but was a beast in it. And the same way Parting didn't invent blink stalkers timings. Not sure about immortal all in(my bet is on Squirtle but it's a long time ago ). Wrote this in the past tense as I don't know how's Maru lately and to be fair it's about Life time which was before LotV anyway (Parting actually made Protoss history with the Templar style IIRC but this is about Life ))
Well said, Maru, PartinG and Life were the ultimate micro players in SC2. Another thing they had in common was that they all had a very cocky attitude and weren't afraid to trashtalk (okay, Maru didn't trashtalk) or drop Manner Mules/ place manner hatches.
Probably my 3 favourite players.
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It's a shame people need to rehash old garbage in order to generate activity.
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On October 10 2017 03:20 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2017 23:41 deacon.frost wrote:On October 09 2017 22:22 stilt wrote:On October 09 2017 22:17 Ej_ wrote:
Reminder that Life did win GSL after SH nerf, bringing out new builds and cheeses. It was one of the 2 starleagues in all of HotS won by a Zerg player. Admittedly, he did get a bit lucky against herO (the infamous game 7 on Iron Fortress), but that was an extremely impressive run, given the state of Zerg in Korea at the time.
While ByuL made 3 combined finals in the 3 consecutive starleagues after that (SSL, GSL, GSL), he wasn't close to winning any of them.
No he did not, he won the GSL 2015 S1 and SH was pre nerf (look at the game 2 in the final) Even the game 6 in that same GSL series from where he takes the lucky game #7 on Iron Fortress was played with long lasting SH... _________________________________ On the topic. Life is similar to Parting and Maru. All these players were winning fights in which they were supposed to lose because their composition was: 1) weaker 2) at the "wrong" position 3) "bad" And they were winning these fights because of their micro. Anyone could have done what Life was doing with lings. None have made it. Or they chose the safer way(e.g. soO, DRG) because - let's face it - this micro intensive aggressive style is about immaculate control. 1 mistake can end the game while being on the safer side of the play you can get away with small mistakes(even on this level). I don't play Zerg but I dare to say that Life didn't invent anything. He made several builds more aggressive, he showed that being aggressive is viable but he polished others builds. The same way Maru didn't invent the MMMM style, but was a beast in it. And the same way Parting didn't invent blink stalkers timings. Not sure about immortal all in(my bet is on Squirtle but it's a long time ago ). Wrote this in the past tense as I don't know how's Maru lately and to be fair it's about Life time which was before LotV anyway (Parting actually made Protoss history with the Templar style IIRC but this is about Life )) Well said, Maru, PartinG and Life were the ultimate micro players in SC2. Another thing they had in common was that they all had a very cocky attitude and weren't afraid to trashtalk (okay, Maru didn't trashtalk) or drop Manner Mules/ place manner hatches. Probably my 3 favourite players.
The only other person that gives Maru-level boring interviews is INnoVation. The Maru vs Inno interview in 2015 GSL Season 3 semifinals was hilariously bland.
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On October 10 2017 03:48 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2017 03:20 Charoisaur wrote:On October 09 2017 23:41 deacon.frost wrote:On October 09 2017 22:22 stilt wrote:On October 09 2017 22:17 Ej_ wrote:
Reminder that Life did win GSL after SH nerf, bringing out new builds and cheeses. It was one of the 2 starleagues in all of HotS won by a Zerg player. Admittedly, he did get a bit lucky against herO (the infamous game 7 on Iron Fortress), but that was an extremely impressive run, given the state of Zerg in Korea at the time.
While ByuL made 3 combined finals in the 3 consecutive starleagues after that (SSL, GSL, GSL), he wasn't close to winning any of them.
No he did not, he won the GSL 2015 S1 and SH was pre nerf (look at the game 2 in the final) Even the game 6 in that same GSL series from where he takes the lucky game #7 on Iron Fortress was played with long lasting SH... _________________________________ On the topic. Life is similar to Parting and Maru. All these players were winning fights in which they were supposed to lose because their composition was: 1) weaker 2) at the "wrong" position 3) "bad" And they were winning these fights because of their micro. Anyone could have done what Life was doing with lings. None have made it. Or they chose the safer way(e.g. soO, DRG) because - let's face it - this micro intensive aggressive style is about immaculate control. 1 mistake can end the game while being on the safer side of the play you can get away with small mistakes(even on this level). I don't play Zerg but I dare to say that Life didn't invent anything. He made several builds more aggressive, he showed that being aggressive is viable but he polished others builds. The same way Maru didn't invent the MMMM style, but was a beast in it. And the same way Parting didn't invent blink stalkers timings. Not sure about immortal all in(my bet is on Squirtle but it's a long time ago ). Wrote this in the past tense as I don't know how's Maru lately and to be fair it's about Life time which was before LotV anyway (Parting actually made Protoss history with the Templar style IIRC but this is about Life )) Well said, Maru, PartinG and Life were the ultimate micro players in SC2. Another thing they had in common was that they all had a very cocky attitude and weren't afraid to trashtalk (okay, Maru didn't trashtalk) or drop Manner Mules/ place manner hatches. Probably my 3 favourite players. The only other person that gives Maru-level boring interviews is INnoVation. The Maru vs Inno interview in 2015 GSL Season 3 semifinals was hilariously bland.
Yeah Maru's cockyness doesn't show in his interviews but the way he always manner-mules his opponent certainly shows it. Just watch Maru vs Myungsik.
Or his cheeky smiles after destroying his opponents that says something like "ez pz guys"
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On October 10 2017 03:55 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2017 03:48 pvsnp wrote:On October 10 2017 03:20 Charoisaur wrote:On October 09 2017 23:41 deacon.frost wrote:On October 09 2017 22:22 stilt wrote:On October 09 2017 22:17 Ej_ wrote:
Reminder that Life did win GSL after SH nerf, bringing out new builds and cheeses. It was one of the 2 starleagues in all of HotS won by a Zerg player. Admittedly, he did get a bit lucky against herO (the infamous game 7 on Iron Fortress), but that was an extremely impressive run, given the state of Zerg in Korea at the time.
While ByuL made 3 combined finals in the 3 consecutive starleagues after that (SSL, GSL, GSL), he wasn't close to winning any of them.
No he did not, he won the GSL 2015 S1 and SH was pre nerf (look at the game 2 in the final) Even the game 6 in that same GSL series from where he takes the lucky game #7 on Iron Fortress was played with long lasting SH... _________________________________ On the topic. Life is similar to Parting and Maru. All these players were winning fights in which they were supposed to lose because their composition was: 1) weaker 2) at the "wrong" position 3) "bad" And they were winning these fights because of their micro. Anyone could have done what Life was doing with lings. None have made it. Or they chose the safer way(e.g. soO, DRG) because - let's face it - this micro intensive aggressive style is about immaculate control. 1 mistake can end the game while being on the safer side of the play you can get away with small mistakes(even on this level). I don't play Zerg but I dare to say that Life didn't invent anything. He made several builds more aggressive, he showed that being aggressive is viable but he polished others builds. The same way Maru didn't invent the MMMM style, but was a beast in it. And the same way Parting didn't invent blink stalkers timings. Not sure about immortal all in(my bet is on Squirtle but it's a long time ago ). Wrote this in the past tense as I don't know how's Maru lately and to be fair it's about Life time which was before LotV anyway (Parting actually made Protoss history with the Templar style IIRC but this is about Life )) Well said, Maru, PartinG and Life were the ultimate micro players in SC2. Another thing they had in common was that they all had a very cocky attitude and weren't afraid to trashtalk (okay, Maru didn't trashtalk) or drop Manner Mules/ place manner hatches. Probably my 3 favourite players. The only other person that gives Maru-level boring interviews is INnoVation. The Maru vs Inno interview in 2015 GSL Season 3 semifinals was hilariously bland. Yeah Maru's cockyness doesn't show in his interviews but the way he always manner-mules his opponent certainly shows it. Just watch Maru vs Myungsik. Or his cheeky smiles after destroying his opponents that says something like "ez pz guys"
That's fair enough. Life and especially Parting could really let their arrogance show in interviews. Though I do believe Maru vs Myungsik was a special case (wasn't Maru getting revenge for another JinAir player that Myungsik bm'd?)
Also I love manner mules, they're by far the best form of bm. Something about the pod-landing aesthetic is just so much more cheeky than manner hatches/nexi. Dancing is not bad either, but manner mules are still the best way to broadcast the whole "get out, you scrub" message imo.
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On October 10 2017 04:02 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2017 03:55 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2017 03:48 pvsnp wrote:On October 10 2017 03:20 Charoisaur wrote:On October 09 2017 23:41 deacon.frost wrote:On October 09 2017 22:22 stilt wrote:On October 09 2017 22:17 Ej_ wrote:
Reminder that Life did win GSL after SH nerf, bringing out new builds and cheeses. It was one of the 2 starleagues in all of HotS won by a Zerg player. Admittedly, he did get a bit lucky against herO (the infamous game 7 on Iron Fortress), but that was an extremely impressive run, given the state of Zerg in Korea at the time.
While ByuL made 3 combined finals in the 3 consecutive starleagues after that (SSL, GSL, GSL), he wasn't close to winning any of them.
No he did not, he won the GSL 2015 S1 and SH was pre nerf (look at the game 2 in the final) Even the game 6 in that same GSL series from where he takes the lucky game #7 on Iron Fortress was played with long lasting SH... _________________________________ On the topic. Life is similar to Parting and Maru. All these players were winning fights in which they were supposed to lose because their composition was: 1) weaker 2) at the "wrong" position 3) "bad" And they were winning these fights because of their micro. Anyone could have done what Life was doing with lings. None have made it. Or they chose the safer way(e.g. soO, DRG) because - let's face it - this micro intensive aggressive style is about immaculate control. 1 mistake can end the game while being on the safer side of the play you can get away with small mistakes(even on this level). I don't play Zerg but I dare to say that Life didn't invent anything. He made several builds more aggressive, he showed that being aggressive is viable but he polished others builds. The same way Maru didn't invent the MMMM style, but was a beast in it. And the same way Parting didn't invent blink stalkers timings. Not sure about immortal all in(my bet is on Squirtle but it's a long time ago ). Wrote this in the past tense as I don't know how's Maru lately and to be fair it's about Life time which was before LotV anyway (Parting actually made Protoss history with the Templar style IIRC but this is about Life )) Well said, Maru, PartinG and Life were the ultimate micro players in SC2. Another thing they had in common was that they all had a very cocky attitude and weren't afraid to trashtalk (okay, Maru didn't trashtalk) or drop Manner Mules/ place manner hatches. Probably my 3 favourite players. The only other person that gives Maru-level boring interviews is INnoVation. The Maru vs Inno interview in 2015 GSL Season 3 semifinals was hilariously bland. Yeah Maru's cockyness doesn't show in his interviews but the way he always manner-mules his opponent certainly shows it. Just watch Maru vs Myungsik. Or his cheeky smiles after destroying his opponents that says something like "ez pz guys" That's fair enough. Life and especially Parting could really let their arrogance show in interviews. Though I do believe Maru vs Myungsik was a special case (wasn't Maru getting revenge for another JinAir player that Myungsik bm'd?)
Yes but most players wouldn't have the balls to do this in case they lose and look like an idiot. The game was still pretty even when Maru started his BM.
And it's not the only instance of him BMing.
often when he mannermules I ask myself "how can he be so sure the game is over?"
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On October 10 2017 04:08 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2017 04:02 pvsnp wrote:On October 10 2017 03:55 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2017 03:48 pvsnp wrote:On October 10 2017 03:20 Charoisaur wrote:On October 09 2017 23:41 deacon.frost wrote:On October 09 2017 22:22 stilt wrote:On October 09 2017 22:17 Ej_ wrote:
Reminder that Life did win GSL after SH nerf, bringing out new builds and cheeses. It was one of the 2 starleagues in all of HotS won by a Zerg player. Admittedly, he did get a bit lucky against herO (the infamous game 7 on Iron Fortress), but that was an extremely impressive run, given the state of Zerg in Korea at the time.
While ByuL made 3 combined finals in the 3 consecutive starleagues after that (SSL, GSL, GSL), he wasn't close to winning any of them.
No he did not, he won the GSL 2015 S1 and SH was pre nerf (look at the game 2 in the final) Even the game 6 in that same GSL series from where he takes the lucky game #7 on Iron Fortress was played with long lasting SH... _________________________________ On the topic. Life is similar to Parting and Maru. All these players were winning fights in which they were supposed to lose because their composition was: 1) weaker 2) at the "wrong" position 3) "bad" And they were winning these fights because of their micro. Anyone could have done what Life was doing with lings. None have made it. Or they chose the safer way(e.g. soO, DRG) because - let's face it - this micro intensive aggressive style is about immaculate control. 1 mistake can end the game while being on the safer side of the play you can get away with small mistakes(even on this level). I don't play Zerg but I dare to say that Life didn't invent anything. He made several builds more aggressive, he showed that being aggressive is viable but he polished others builds. The same way Maru didn't invent the MMMM style, but was a beast in it. And the same way Parting didn't invent blink stalkers timings. Not sure about immortal all in(my bet is on Squirtle but it's a long time ago ). Wrote this in the past tense as I don't know how's Maru lately and to be fair it's about Life time which was before LotV anyway (Parting actually made Protoss history with the Templar style IIRC but this is about Life )) Well said, Maru, PartinG and Life were the ultimate micro players in SC2. Another thing they had in common was that they all had a very cocky attitude and weren't afraid to trashtalk (okay, Maru didn't trashtalk) or drop Manner Mules/ place manner hatches. Probably my 3 favourite players. The only other person that gives Maru-level boring interviews is INnoVation. The Maru vs Inno interview in 2015 GSL Season 3 semifinals was hilariously bland. Yeah Maru's cockyness doesn't show in his interviews but the way he always manner-mules his opponent certainly shows it. Just watch Maru vs Myungsik. Or his cheeky smiles after destroying his opponents that says something like "ez pz guys" That's fair enough. Life and especially Parting could really let their arrogance show in interviews. Though I do believe Maru vs Myungsik was a special case (wasn't Maru getting revenge for another JinAir player that Myungsik bm'd?) often when he mannermules I ask myself "how can he be so sure the game is over?"
I'm sure when you play as many games as the pros do, and bm as much as they do, you get a sense of when you can safely do it or not. Unless you're Dear that it.
Maru vs mysungsik wasn't really arrogant, he was getting revenge for Rogue iirc? Although the bm did reach ridiculous levels. The aggressively early mules against nerchio were also justified imo. (Although I am biased becuase Maru is one of my favourate players and Mysungsik and Nerchio are guys I enjoyed seeing lose). Now his bm against Creator and a few other players were overly brutal
On the subject of Life, I disagree that he revolutionised zerg play like people claim. He was better than anyone else at what he did, but no one replicated him with much success. Life is in the bundle of players that found success with techniques entirely their own.
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On October 09 2017 06:37 jubil wrote:
Life, although he was in fact one of the greatest players of SC2, is really easy to overhype. That's because his highs were so high, but people are forgetting that he had serious droughts as well when he would just roll over in games and accomplish nothing. He had many storybook runs to winning championships, but he lost in early rounds many times. In addition, he was only decent in GSTL and decidedly mediocre in Proleague.
As far as tactics go, his signature was the ling runby, which he always seemed to get more value out of than any other zerg - when you watched life his zerglings could completely tip the balance of the game, rather than just being an annoying hassle. He was also never afraid to break out the early aggressive tactics, which made him a tricky and dangerous opponent in the overall metagame.
For sure he is one of the signature zerg players of SC2, but I rank him among players like Nestea, DRG, and soO in the history of SC2 zerg rather than alone at the top.
(I might be a little biased because I was a huge fan of MKP (who lord knows had similar consistency issues), played terran, and always got tilted off the face of the earth when playing against cheesy zergs.)
I think his ability to get out of the downs again and again to win really big titles over many years (and everyone predicted him doing it again in LotV) is what makes him so great for many people. Before both of his blizzcon finals he slumped quite hard seemingly having lost his motivation. But blizzcon made him care again and he was on the top in a matter of weeks.
Also it's not like he ever slumped for a really long time. He won really big premier tournaments beating the best players of the time every year since 2012.
Also he made this when the competetiveness got tougher and tougher while Nestea and DRG couldn't keep up. soO may be the only zerg who's a real competitor for Life's greatness - but not actually winning stuff doesn't help in that regard 
deacon.frost wrote:
I don't play Zerg but I dare to say that Life didn't invent anything. He made several builds more aggressive, he showed that being aggressive is viable but he polished others builds. The same way Maru didn't invent the MMMM style, but was a beast in it. And the same way Parting didn't invent blink stalkers timings. Not sure about immortal all in(my bet is on Squirtle but it's a long time ago ).
I don't think that having impact on the game is only about inventing stuff. It's about to make stuff work at the highest level. Many would look at some clever strategies thinking - naaah, that won't work. But the Lifes, Marus and Partings made those playstyles playable and therefore famous. They figured out which edges had to be cut, what angled had to be taken, which timings had to be played. This is really hard work and they wouldn't have invested it if they hadn't have some vision of how the game should work. Otherwise they just would've copied the mainstream stuff.
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On October 10 2017 04:35 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2017 04:08 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2017 04:02 pvsnp wrote:On October 10 2017 03:55 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2017 03:48 pvsnp wrote:On October 10 2017 03:20 Charoisaur wrote:On October 09 2017 23:41 deacon.frost wrote:On October 09 2017 22:22 stilt wrote:On October 09 2017 22:17 Ej_ wrote:
Reminder that Life did win GSL after SH nerf, bringing out new builds and cheeses. It was one of the 2 starleagues in all of HotS won by a Zerg player. Admittedly, he did get a bit lucky against herO (the infamous game 7 on Iron Fortress), but that was an extremely impressive run, given the state of Zerg in Korea at the time.
While ByuL made 3 combined finals in the 3 consecutive starleagues after that (SSL, GSL, GSL), he wasn't close to winning any of them.
No he did not, he won the GSL 2015 S1 and SH was pre nerf (look at the game 2 in the final) Even the game 6 in that same GSL series from where he takes the lucky game #7 on Iron Fortress was played with long lasting SH... _________________________________ On the topic. Life is similar to Parting and Maru. All these players were winning fights in which they were supposed to lose because their composition was: 1) weaker 2) at the "wrong" position 3) "bad" And they were winning these fights because of their micro. Anyone could have done what Life was doing with lings. None have made it. Or they chose the safer way(e.g. soO, DRG) because - let's face it - this micro intensive aggressive style is about immaculate control. 1 mistake can end the game while being on the safer side of the play you can get away with small mistakes(even on this level). I don't play Zerg but I dare to say that Life didn't invent anything. He made several builds more aggressive, he showed that being aggressive is viable but he polished others builds. The same way Maru didn't invent the MMMM style, but was a beast in it. And the same way Parting didn't invent blink stalkers timings. Not sure about immortal all in(my bet is on Squirtle but it's a long time ago ). Wrote this in the past tense as I don't know how's Maru lately and to be fair it's about Life time which was before LotV anyway (Parting actually made Protoss history with the Templar style IIRC but this is about Life )) Well said, Maru, PartinG and Life were the ultimate micro players in SC2. Another thing they had in common was that they all had a very cocky attitude and weren't afraid to trashtalk (okay, Maru didn't trashtalk) or drop Manner Mules/ place manner hatches. Probably my 3 favourite players. The only other person that gives Maru-level boring interviews is INnoVation. The Maru vs Inno interview in 2015 GSL Season 3 semifinals was hilariously bland. Yeah Maru's cockyness doesn't show in his interviews but the way he always manner-mules his opponent certainly shows it. Just watch Maru vs Myungsik. Or his cheeky smiles after destroying his opponents that says something like "ez pz guys" That's fair enough. Life and especially Parting could really let their arrogance show in interviews. Though I do believe Maru vs Myungsik was a special case (wasn't Maru getting revenge for another JinAir player that Myungsik bm'd?) often when he mannermules I ask myself "how can he be so sure the game is over?" I'm sure when you play as many games as the pros do, and bm as much as they do, you get a sense of when you can safely do it or not. Unless you're Dear that it. Maru vs mysungsik wasn't really arrogant, he was getting revenge for Rogue iirc? Although the bm did reach ridiculous levels. The aggressively early mules against nerchio were also justified imo. (Although I am biased becuase Maru is one of my favourate players and Mysungsik and Nerchio are guys I enjoyed seeing lose). Now his bm against Creator and a few other players were overly brutal On the subject of Life, I disagree that he revolutionised zerg play like people claim. He was better than anyone else at what he did, but no one replicated him with much success. Life is in the bundle of players that found success with techniques entirely their own.
These posts are remarkably on point given Life's premature manner hatches against Naniwa in the IEM NY Grand Finals. (Here for reference)
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One thing that always stood out to me about Life's gameplay was his ability to make Zerg seem stronger than it was, no matter how strong it was at the time. Lifelings were a thing, because the way he micro'd Lings, especially in the early game, just made them seem faster than anyone else's Lings. And when he went into long macro, when he chose to, he was one of those Zerfs that could actually spread creep at a rate most other Zergs couldn't. There was never "the Life build" or anything iike that, because that wasn't what he was. He was someone who could take your strategy and execute it better than you could ever hope to.
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life vs innovation would've been hype. the current zergs aren't too good or consistent. so sad, life did nothing wrong, its stupid and dumb for gambling to be illegal, and even dumber to throw someone in jail for losing a freaking video game, the least important thing in the world, on purpose. lets keep actual criminals in jail mmmkay
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