EPTLife's Impact on SC2 - Page 3
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Warcloud
United States97 Posts
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On October 09 2017 00:32 Warcloud wrote: People like to attribute the fall of SC2 to life but I just don't think the evidence is there for that. I get that he shouldn't be allowed to compete but the additional toxicity of some people, and also the taboo of even talking about him in certain places, is ridiculous. People just like to have a scapegoat they can blame the downfall of SC2 on. His actions contributed to that surely but when a single player matchfixing destroys a scene there must have been a lot gone wrong before. (I realize Life wasn't the only matchfixer but I say "a single player" because people usually say SC2 died because of Life) | ||
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Woosixion
120 Posts
IMO, in terms of zergs that arent nestea i think drg had a bigger impact on the game than Life. Life showed us what we knew in theory, that lings can do alot of damage if you can find a way to get them into your opponents base, Somehow he always knew how to do that. DRG on the other hand is responsible for the broader strokes that zerg now knows intuitively. For instance, we now know that 3 bases really needs to be your top priority in the opening minutes of the game, whereas before it was about fighting on 2 and taking the 3rd when you feel safe. He showed everyone you can quickly open 3 bases zvp/zvt and be able to defend pressure which is a really big deal, cause now its about fighting on 3 and vying for a 4th. While Stephano perfected the 12min roach max in ZVP, DRG is the one who started really abusing it to its limits with how to attack once your maxed. He would send a group to the 3rd first to distract then once the protoss army was out of position come barreling into the nat and sending another group into the main. No one had the apm to deal with it at the time. He also showed what truly perfect muta ling bling control looks like, and where to prioritize your apm once your in the midgame. At the time, zerg micro was relatively sloppy compared to the other 2 races, but understandably so, as zerg DOES have more actions to press, while microing units doesnt yield the same value as the other 2 races does. The prevailing theory of the time was "All zerg units can be outmicro'd, so you must outmacro." Basically since all zerg units are expendable, it was considered a waste of time overmicroing them, time that would be better spent macroing. DRG changed all that. He showed a very clean systematic way of attacking with ling bling muta. You get to where you want to be off 3 bases first. Than once the onslaught starts, while the lings and blings are rolling in, the mutas pick off key units and structures. With him though he showed that you rally your reinforcements OUTSIDE of opponents base, not into it. and that you never keep attacking once the blings are dead, you pull them back to rally, wait for the next round of blings and do it again while not losing any mutas in the process. Because of the groundwork he laid, zergs had perfected the muta ling bling technique so well that bio became metawise unfavorable as zergs knew precisely how to counter it. So here's to you DRG, those of us who've been watching for a long time know what you've done for the game. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On October 08 2017 20:04 Olli wrote: Ignoring the match-fixing part for the moment. Life's contribution to gameplay was figuring out large parts of Zerg's aggressive potential. He began as an extremely cheesy player in every match-up. Especially early pools in ZvZ (but also how to transition out of them), aggressive speedling openings against Terran, a number of all-ins against Protoss. He changed the view that many had at the time of Zerg being purely a reactionary race that was "supposed" to macro, drone heavily and win in the lategame. Of course Life adapted over the years and had that in his locker as well, but even in macro games he was the best at finding avenues to counterattack and really stay aggressive the entire game. I cant' remember anyone who ever did it to that degree before him, and everyone has since. That was admirable and beautiful. Marvellous. I really miss the kid's skills. What is he doing today to earn his money? Does anyone know? | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On October 09 2017 00:46 Woosixion wrote: The reason why people are so sad about Life is that, unlike savior, Life was far and away the best player in the world at the time of the charges, and being that the current best zergs havent really found the answer to all the new stuff lotv has brought, we really want to see what lifes approach to the new expansion would have been. IMO, in terms of zergs that arent nestea i think drg had a bigger impact on the game than Life. Life showed us what we knew in theory, that lings can do alot of damage if you can find a way to get them into your opponents base, Somehow he always knew how to do that. DRG on the other hand is responsible for the broader strokes that zerg now knows intuitively. For instance, we now know that 3 bases really needs to be your top priority in the opening minutes of the game, whereas before it was about fighting on 2 and taking the 3rd when you feel safe. He showed everyone you can quickly open 3 bases zvp/zvt and be able to defend pressure which is a really big deal, cause now its about fighting on 3 and vying for a 4th. While Stephano perfected the 12min roach max in ZVP, DRG is the one who started really abusing it to its limits with how to attack once your maxed. He would send a group to the 3rd first to distract then once the protoss army was out of position come barreling into the nat and sending another group into the main. No one had the apm to deal with it at the time. He also showed what truly perfect muta ling bling control looks like, and where to prioritize your apm once your in the midgame. At the time, zerg micro was relatively sloppy compared to the other 2 races, but understandably so, as zerg DOES have more actions to press, while microing units doesnt yield the same value as the other 2 races does. The prevailing theory of the time was "All zerg units can be outmicro'd, so you must outmacro." Basically since all zerg units are expendable, it was considered a waste of time overmicroing them, time that would be better spent macroing. DRG changed all that. He showed a very clean systematic way of attacking with ling bling muta. You get to where you want to be off 3 bases first. Than once the onslaught starts, while the lings and blings are rolling in, the mutas pick off key units and structures. With him though he showed that you rally your reinforcements OUTSIDE of opponents base, not into it. and that you never keep attacking once the blings are dead, you pull them back to rally, wait for the next round of blings and do it again while not losing any mutas in the process. Because of the groundwork he laid, zergs had perfected the muta ling bling technique so well that bio became metawise unfavorable as zergs knew precisely how to counter it. So here's to you DRG, those of us who've been watching for a long time know what you've done for the game. It is very true in many ways, thank you for this post. One has to admit though that Life had this shiny and aggressive sparkle in his play that no one showed before or after him. | ||
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jpg06051992
United States580 Posts
Whats the harm in having him come back anyway? It's not like theres really any money to even scam out of the scene anymore with how tiny it is, he should have been banned from competitive play for a set amount of time (2 to 3 years) and allowed to come back on a probationary contract or something. | ||
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seopthi
393 Posts
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Woosixion
120 Posts
It is very true in many ways, thank you for this post. One has to admit though that Life had this shiny and aggressive sparkle in his play that no one showed before or after him Oh, without a question. The reason we're talking about Life now and not DRG even though they both had their breakout year in 2012 is because life could do everything DRG could do better. Who could ever forget the iron squid finals 2 where Life reverse sweeped DRG LOL. But in terms of meta, I think DRG is the zerg that really started pushing the emphasis on mechanics for zerg since the units were so weak. The message of his playstyle was "Listen bros, i know our race is underpowered, so we have 2 options.... Become Nestea or make more stuff faster than the other 2 races" I remember at the height of his popularity a interviewer asked DRG what he thought separated him from other zergs and his response was "My incredibly high APM of 500+" At that moment i knew my 70 apm wasn't gunna cut it. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
Also he was kind of badass - smirky smile, backstab ling runbys, sometimes good trash talk and all of this paired with so much skill and success. Many couldn't help but root for him and he even made stuchiu creating an article-genre and becoming a meme. Also he had some really cool ZvT-rivalries: Life vs Taeja, Life vs Maru, Life vs Dream, Life vs Flash were must-watchs and created some of the greatest games of SC2-history. The scene lost a lot of sparkliness because of his dumb move. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Majick
416 Posts
His playstyle produced the most intense and exciting scenarios. Even when he was far behind, there was always hope he would salvage the game somehow. Life always found the way. He was the Swarm. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3690 Posts
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JWD[9]
364 Posts
On October 08 2017 23:21 ilililililililiii wrote: Once a criminal serves his time he is allowed back into society. Thus he is given his rights back (sc2) He is a CRIMINAL but he deserves to come back if he serves his time. Is it a right? I thought of it more like a privilege and it does not seem that cruel to say, we are trying to build this awesome thing (esports) and he sabotaged it for personal gain. He does not care about the scene, he does not contribute to it, he rather gambles it away (which as an addiction could be seen as a sickness). It is like releasing a pedophile back into society. Sure he served his time, but it seems reasonable to say, he won't work with kids ever again. Yet I actually think in some societies they are allowed too. Do we have to take this, do we have to take life back if we want to be a real part of society, if esports should become a right and not a privilege? I don't know, interresting point though little barcode. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
Of course he had no excuse to his behavior, he was on the top level, it's not like he was forced to do that to survive. No i see life as an addicted gambler, that made him a SC2 genius, but also pushed him into bad choices and caused his fall. | ||
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Carminedust
487 Posts
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stilt
France2754 Posts
Hum for me Life is the greatest player of the game, in term of pure skill, only Taeja was his equal. A beautiful playstyle but he made an enormous mistake, still, I would like to see him just allowed to stream on twitch as I have always dreamt to see a consistent pov of him. I lost 90% of my hype with his forced retirement as no others zergs managed to emulate him but I don't have any sort of animosity against him like some others,apparently, he was alienated to gambling, at 18, a big fuck up was ineluctable sadly. | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
On October 09 2017 02:00 Woosixion wrote: Oh, without a question. The reason we're talking about Life now and not DRG even though they both had their breakout year in 2012 is because life could do everything DRG could do better. Who could ever forget the iron squid finals 2 where Life reverse sweeped DRG LOL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blR7ujOCFas That series was so incredible.. I was in the crowd. I just want to comment on this. This series is the reason I and many others became lifelong fans. Whatever may have made him do the matchfixing (we've heard CranK say that there are people forcing matchfixing to happen, threatening players) whether it's greed, his supposed gambling issues, bein coërced or whatever.. He's still and will forever be a great miss for StarCraft. Who knows what he could've done  Every single year at some point he came back to show that he was still the #1 Zerg. | ||
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