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I've been seeing bunch of pro-Life posts lately and with stuff about potential life interview coming up, it got me curious: How much exactly did Life contribute to sc2?
Savior did incredible stuff for zerg and single handedly innovated zerg openers with all those 3 hatch muta builds/timings, incredible builds that were years ahead of time and paved path for modern BW zerg styles that remains most popular build to this day. But in the end of the day, his matchfixing is widely considered to have brought way more harm than his good his innovation has brought.
But unlike savior, Life seems to be still looked at fondly/positively, especially among foreign scene. I joined SC2 late at mid hots (after break from initial first months of Wol) so I am not exactly brushed up with sc2 history. I am kinda familiar with savior's side since I have been watching bunch of BW streams/Korean BW videos about what happened with savior, but I've never really watched/read about life. Can someone brush it up for me?
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Life , 18 years old, threw 2 games.
Savior led a match fixing ring consisting of 11 players.
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On October 08 2017 18:42 nkr wrote:
Life , 18 years old, threw 2 games.
Savior led a match fixing ring consisting of 11 players.
I was asking more of how much impact he had towards zerg playing style/meta more of.
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Doesn't matter how much impact you have when you are the main man behind a scene-ruining moneygrab. You will forever be hated. Life did something incredibly stupid but people will see past it and look at his actual contributions. As to what Life actually contributed in terms of play is harder to pin point, as sc2 never was as "set" as bw. I'll leave that to someone more knowledgeable.
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here we go again.
btw I LOVE LIFE, he is my greatest player of all time. Support him.
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On October 08 2017 18:55 nkr wrote:
Doesn't matter how much impact you have when you are the main man behind a scene-ruining moneygrab.
2010 joined user speaks for the entire BW community... lmfao
Nah, sAviOr's ZvT in his prime is the stuff of legend, those matches still impress no matter how many times I rewatch them, and I didn't even main Zerg myself.
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On October 08 2017 19:06 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2017 18:55 nkr wrote:
Doesn't matter how much impact you have when you are the main man behind a scene-ruining moneygrab. 2010 joined user speaks for the entire BW community... lmfao
2015 joined user tries to be condescneding about join date
rolling on the floor laughing, haha!
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On October 08 2017 19:15 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2017 19:06 207aicila wrote:On October 08 2017 18:55 nkr wrote:
Doesn't matter how much impact you have when you are the main man behind a scene-ruining moneygrab. 2010 joined user speaks for the entire BW community... lmfao 2015 joined user tries to be condescneding about join date rolling on the floor laughing, haha!
Implying this is my first account or that I haven't been here long before SC2 came out. 
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Yes you are so much smarter and aware than others people because you joined before.
So, you dont have to argue, just say that you have been here since a lot longer ...
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This one is like quicksand. So many implications and traps. Also life is the most stupid(genius?) nick.
I think it is wise to follow the official narrative and talk real in much more private channel.
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Ignoring the match-fixing part for the moment.
Life's contribution to gameplay was figuring out large parts of Zerg's aggressive potential. He began as an extremely cheesy player in every match-up. Especially early pools in ZvZ (but also how to transition out of them), aggressive speedling openings against Terran, a number of all-ins against Protoss. He changed the view that many had at the time of Zerg being purely a reactionary race that was "supposed" to macro, drone heavily and win in the lategame.
Of course Life adapted over the years and had that in his locker as well, but even in macro games he was the best at finding avenues to counterattack and really stay aggressive the entire game. I cant' remember anyone who ever did it to that degree before him, and everyone has since.
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I can't remember what he brought to sc2 meta, if I remember well he was playing often his own game with lings, it was quite hard to emulate for other zerg, he was so good at micro, timing, runby...
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On October 08 2017 19:41 DieuCure wrote:
Yes you are so much smarter and aware than others people because you joined before.
So, you dont have to argue, just say that you have been here since a lot longer ...
Bro he literally made a sweeping generalization about a community which he was not a part of at the time, and I was... are you high?
Of course I'm going to call him out on his bullshit lmao.
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On October 08 2017 20:04 Mun_Su wrote:
I can't remember what he brought to sc2 meta, if I remember well he was playing often his own game with lings, it was quite hard to emulate for other zerg, he was so good at micro, timing, runby...
And at faking sadly
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On October 08 2017 20:07 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2017 19:41 DieuCure wrote:
Yes you are so much smarter and aware than others people because you joined before.
So, you dont have to argue, just say that you have been here since a lot longer ... Bro he literally made a sweeping generalization about a community which he was not a part of at the time, and I was... are you high? Of course I'm going to call him out on his bullshit lmao.
Only people who were a part of the BW community are allowed to say that Savior ruined the scene. Sure
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On October 08 2017 20:11 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2017 20:07 207aicila wrote:On October 08 2017 19:41 DieuCure wrote:
Yes you are so much smarter and aware than others people because you joined before.
So, you dont have to argue, just say that you have been here since a lot longer ... Bro he literally made a sweeping generalization about a community which he was not a part of at the time, and I was... are you high? Of course I'm going to call him out on his bullshit lmao. Only people who were a part of the BW community are allowed to say that Savior ruined the scene. Sure
He said it didn't matter what he accomplished, which is false because only a complete ignoramus of BW competitive play would pretend his ZvT wasn't amazing... Of course there are also those whose emotions prevent objective judgment, but it's not like the entire community is some monolithic entity that wants him to die.
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Olli summed it up really well. His agressive style was unique and unmatched.
On a different note: Potential life Interview coming up? Really? Is that really a thing? Wow that would be so hype.. more Info please.
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On October 08 2017 19:37 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2017 19:15 Ej_ wrote:On October 08 2017 19:06 207aicila wrote:On October 08 2017 18:55 nkr wrote:
Doesn't matter how much impact you have when you are the main man behind a scene-ruining moneygrab. 2010 joined user speaks for the entire BW community... lmfao 2015 joined user tries to be condescneding about join date rolling on the floor laughing, haha! Implying this is my first account or that I haven't been here long before SC2 came out.
lol wtf kinda reply is this
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On October 08 2017 20:22 evolsiefil wrote:
Olli summed it up really well. His agressive style was unique and unmatched.
On a different note: Potential life Interview coming up? Really? Is that really a thing? Wow that would be so hype.. more Info please.
Host of Dank Shrine (?) said he has plans to go to Korea next year to TRY and get an interview with Life.
Now I don't know shit about the scene nowadays, but I wouldn't get my hopes up for it.
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On October 08 2017 20:30 -Kyo- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2017 19:37 207aicila wrote:On October 08 2017 19:15 Ej_ wrote:On October 08 2017 19:06 207aicila wrote:On October 08 2017 18:55 nkr wrote:
Doesn't matter how much impact you have when you are the main man behind a scene-ruining moneygrab. 2010 joined user speaks for the entire BW community... lmfao 2015 joined user tries to be condescneding about join date rolling on the floor laughing, haha! Implying this is my first account or that I haven't been here long before SC2 came out. lol wtf kinda reply is this
"Don't pretend like you know about the BW scene better than those of us who were there" kinda reply. Seems only fair to call out bs for the bs that it is.
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