EPTLife's Impact on SC2 - Page 2
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
I am willing to respect that people have different views of the matchfixing than myself (because I am quite strongly against this lifetime ostracism) but forming those views based on how you perceive that the player changed the strategy is borderline insane. If you want to judge them for their misconduct, judge them for that and that's it. If you ask why the reaction to Life is different, I would also propose that it's because SC2 is much more international and thus less fixed to the harsh Korean culture. In BW, the opinions of even foreigner fans were heavily formed by the reaction in Korea, as that's why everything happened, while in SC2, there is significant non-Korean presence, allowing for more plurarity of opinions. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
On October 08 2017 19:15 Ej_ wrote: 2015 joined user tries to be condescneding about join date rolling on the floor laughing, haha! You joined in 2013 and have 40000 posts... | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On October 08 2017 21:35 Loccstana wrote: You joined in 2013 and have 40000 posts... 10K post by years, that's more impressive than Life's achievements | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On October 08 2017 21:08 opisska wrote: I find OP's premise utterly absurd. Why should we judge the match-fixing based on the "contribution" of the player to strategic development? I think this is just taking the popular narratives of TL writers too far. I am willing to respect that people have different views of the matchfixing than myself (because I am quite strongly against this lifetime ostracism) but forming those views based on how you perceive that the player changed the strategy is borderline insane. If you want to judge them for their misconduct, judge them for that and that's it. If you ask why the reaction to Life is different, I would also propose that it's because SC2 is much more international and thus less fixed to the harsh Korean culture. In BW, the opinions of even foreigner fans were heavily formed by the reaction in Korea, as that's why everything happened, while in SC2, there is significant non-Korean presence, allowing for more plurarity of opinions. This is a good post btw... some of the opinions you will find on sAviOr on this forum are shaped by blind Koreaboo-ism and blind acquiescence/worship of a completely different social culture, rather than actual critical thinking or objective judgment of all the facts. For what it's worth, the far more international reach of SC2 and its scene somewhat alleviates this in the case of Life (as well as the difference in the exact circumstances of both cases). | ||
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404AlphaSquad
839 Posts
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JWD[9]
364 Posts
On October 08 2017 21:20 Zaros wrote: Hes a matchfixer I don't care if its 1 game or 5000 games he damaged the integrity of the competition and broke not only SC2 tournament rules but the law as well, he can stay away from SC2 for the rest of his life. On the one hand, I like this position. Life becomes an example. "Best player of all time?" see what we did to him. Also speaks volumes about the integrity of the community. On top of that, this is about Sc2 as an esport and there is no reason ever to give him another chance. I was going to go with on the other hand here and take into consideration that as the best player of all times, he made it an artform and as someone here on the forum said, beauty is not the goal of competition, just a byproduct, he definitely brought out the best in his competition aswell. For me though, it boils down to, this is in the context of Sc2 being an esport and he should stay banned forever. | ||
vidium
Romania222 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
What he achieved with just lings was insane. | ||
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Zrana1
Netherlands45 Posts
On October 08 2017 22:00 Musicus wrote: Apart from matchfixing he was probably also hacking, because "Lifelings" were definitely stronger than normal Zerglings. What he achieved with just lings was insane. This is basically it. He showed us that there was more micro potential in sc2 units than we previously imagined, and that using it would have a significant impact. It's a bit like Hero's probes in that game against Rogue, but with super fast zerglings, all the time. | ||
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Ignorant prodigy
United States385 Posts
On October 08 2017 22:18 Zrana1 wrote: This is basically it. He showed us that there was more micro potential in sc2 units than we previously imagined, and that using it would have a significant impact. It's a bit like Hero's probes in that game against Rogue, but with super fast zerglings, all the time. he was winning.. and a favorite to win practically every tournament he was in. | ||
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xtorn
4060 Posts
On October 08 2017 18:55 nkr wrote: Doesn't matter how much impact you have when you are the main man behind a scene-ruining moneygrab. You will forever be hated. ... Let's get one thing very clear, first of all: It doesn't mater FOR YOU. For you. Your opinion is yours only. When you speak, you speak for yourself, you cannot simply plug the whole community. Life might have cheated in a certain percentage of his games let's say 1-2% (number is based on zero facts, just a guess) but that doesn't mean that the rest of his games did not heavily influence the meta, DK's balance decisions, etc etc. Life was and will remain one of the most powerful players that the game has seen, and no one can take that away from him. ----------- On topic, to OP: There are many excellent articles on TL written by stuchiu (as far as i remember) along his competitive career, which answer your question in great detail. Debating Life's influence to the scene is a pandora box due to his mistakes, which is why I recommend you just read the materials written about him. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On October 08 2017 20:32 207aicila wrote: "Don't pretend like you know about the BW scene better than those of us who were there" kinda reply. Seems only fair to call out bs for the bs that it is. Are you trolling or do you really not understand how you are contradicting yourself? | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
Life = not bonjwa | ||
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beheamothsc
19 Posts
i wouldnt mind letting him come back on the scene just to see if its the case with the current resurgence of terran and toss to see if he really can engineer new ways to approach the match up as right now everyone's gone back to a muta ling bling . . .didnt we have this in wol? | ||
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ilililililililiii
United States93 Posts
He is a CRIMINAL but he deserves to come back if he serves his time. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
Forgive him because, you known, he was 18yo and mistakes happens, maybe why not? But one thing is forgive him in a personal way and another allow him to return as a player. Sorry but that door is closed. | ||
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ilililililililiii
United States93 Posts
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
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