On July 04 2017 08:59 ChristianS wrote: Yeah, to be honest there's something nice about modern SC2 not having so much ambition as it did back then. It was exciting that we felt like we were going to create the biggest competitive viewing experience on the planet, but everyone was so hungry for legitimacy that they were very, very quick to jump on anyone who threatened their eSports dream.
I liked Husky and Day9 and the rest and it'd be cool to see them do SC content again, but I think I like it better when people are content to just watch and play Starcraft. It'd sure suck if you quit caring about it though, TB
All good things must come to an end eventually. One of these day I'll step back and never step forward again. All games have a finite lifespan. I just don't happen to think this one is over yet, not by a long shot and at least most of the obstructionists have left so the rest of us can get on with it.
Thank you TB. We as a community are lucky to have you.
On July 04 2017 08:59 ChristianS wrote: Yeah, to be honest there's something nice about modern SC2 not having so much ambition as it did back then. It was exciting that we felt like we were going to create the biggest competitive viewing experience on the planet, but everyone was so hungry for legitimacy that they were very, very quick to jump on anyone who threatened their eSports dream.
I liked Husky and Day9 and the rest and it'd be cool to see them do SC content again, but I think I like it better when people are content to just watch and play Starcraft. It'd sure suck if you quit caring about it though, TB
All good things must come to an end eventually. One of these day I'll step back and never step forward again. All games have a finite lifespan. I just don't happen to think this one is over yet, not by a long shot and at least most of the obstructionists have left so the rest of us can get on with it.
Thank you TB. We as a community are lucky to have you.
On July 04 2017 04:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i went to an SC2 event in Toronto 5 years ago and got a chance to meet in person a few of these reddit and TL posters who love to hate prominent community members. After seeing them in person LIVE and just watching them do their thing ... my hunch is that they hate their own lives and they're projecting it onto others. That's just a hunch though. I'd need more observations to verify it and i'm too lazy to do so. So their motives will remain an eternal mystery....
On July 04 2017 08:45 ClanWars wrote: In 2010 however when SC2 exploded, those that had been around on TL and the rapidly growing SCReddit who had followed Brood War were often very insular and had an "old boys club" attitude which was hostile to people coming into the scene with the SC2 beta who had no Brood War credentials.
On July 04 2017 08:45 ClanWars wrote: In 2010 however when SC2 exploded, those that had been around on TL and the rapidly growing SCReddit who had followed Brood War were often very insular and had an "old boys club" attitude which was hostile to people coming into the scene with the SC2 beta who had no Brood War credentials.
7 years later, always the same thing
It definitely isn't.
r/starcraft used to be a toxic dump of balance whining, korean bashing, and pot stirring. Everyone was after that next bit of juicy drama and they didn't care whose lives they needed to intrude into or who they needed to step on to get it.
It's so much more constructive now. The drop in popularity has removed the tendency for people to stir shit up for no reason because there's no one there to give them a podium anymore. People post highlights of low level play with high and low level players alike dropping in to leave comments about them. Tournament threads are way better, I haven't seen a comment demanding ritual suicide from a pro in years because he cheesed a fan favorite.
Make no doubt about it, we've lost some good people over the years like Husky and especially Sean Plott (who I know will be back for SC:R) but we've also cut a lot of bad fat from our community also.
We're smaller, but we're better. The growing pains are over and done with.
On July 04 2017 08:45 ClanWars wrote: In 2010 however when SC2 exploded, those that had been around on TL and the rapidly growing SCReddit who had followed Brood War were often very insular and had an "old boys club" attitude which was hostile to people coming into the scene with the SC2 beta who had no Brood War credentials.
7 years later, always the same thing
It definitely isn't.
r/starcraft used to be a toxic dump of balance whining, korean bashing, and pot stirring. Everyone was after that next bit of juicy drama and they didn't care whose lives they needed to intrude into or who they needed to step on to get it.
It's so much more constructive now. The drop in popularity has removed the tendency for people to stir shit up for no reason because there's no one there to give them a podium anymore. People post highlights of low level play with high and low level players alike dropping in to leave comments about them. Tournament threads are way better, I haven't seen a comment demanding ritual suicide from a pro in years because he cheesed a fan favorite.
Make no doubt about it, we've lost some good people over the years like Husky and especially Sean Plott (who I know will be back for SC:R) but we've also cut a lot of bad fat from our community also.
We're smaller, but we're better. The growing pains are over and done with.
It's still often very unfriendly to BW content, from what I've seen. This has been changing as of late, but in the past it was most certainly the case.
On July 04 2017 08:45 ClanWars wrote: In 2010 however when SC2 exploded, those that had been around on TL and the rapidly growing SCReddit who had followed Brood War were often very insular and had an "old boys club" attitude which was hostile to people coming into the scene with the SC2 beta who had no Brood War credentials.
7 years later, always the same thing
It definitely isn't.
r/starcraft used to be a toxic dump of balance whining, korean bashing, and pot stirring. Everyone was after that next bit of juicy drama and they didn't care whose lives they needed to intrude into or who they needed to step on to get it.
It's so much more constructive now. The drop in popularity has removed the tendency for people to stir shit up for no reason because there's no one there to give them a podium anymore. People post highlights of low level play with high and low level players alike dropping in to leave comments about them. Tournament threads are way better, I haven't seen a comment demanding ritual suicide from a pro in years because he cheesed a fan favorite.
Make no doubt about it, we've lost some good people over the years like Husky and especially Sean Plott (who I know will be back for SC:R) but we've also cut a lot of bad fat from our community also.
We're smaller, but we're better. The growing pains are over and done with.
It's still often very unfriendly to BW content, from what I've seen. This has been changing as of late, but in the past it was most certainly the case.
Well this is kind of the opposite thing from what TB was talking about. The subreddit had gotten so familiar being a Starcraft 2 subreddit that the people that were on it for Starcraft 2 content (and who made up the vast majority) simply didn't upvote Brood War content. I dont want to say that people were necessarily hostile towards it, it just got lost amidst the old SC2 crap like drama and fluff that was more popular at the time.
With Starcraft: Remastered announced and a general floundering of otherwise juicy e-sports gossip, more Brood War content makes it to the top of the page and people are all of a sudden realizing possibly for the first time how awesome Brood War was and still is, SC:R is building on that even further.
Like I said. We're a much better community than we used to be, especially on that site. TL has always been a bit different since it's moderated heavily and has the two games split up.
I felt like the way he left his "Huskateers" was somewhat distasteful. Unlike the SC2GG commentators, Husky was actually a full-time pro. Sure, he's allowed to walk away from the scene whenever he wants to. Any man has that right. But at least have the decency to leave a retirement or indefinite hiatus VOD announcement up to his subscribers. (Yeah his other Social Media sources let's you know he's been up to but come on.)
His last posted VOD has over a million views and it's largely because of his fans keep checking in on him from time to time.
I don't really see the hype for StarCraft remaster on Reddit other than initial announcement. Even the price reveal only got 300ish up vote and with a base skin reveal.
I would go as far to say broodwar contents are being upvoted to top page only because there is such little activities in the subreddit itself.
Was there also a medical reason he stopped? I heard something about his vocal chords being damaged but that very well could've just been a dumb internet rumour.
On July 05 2017 21:55 intotheheart wrote: Was there also a medical reason he stopped? I heard something about his vocal chords being damaged but that very well could've just been a dumb internet rumour.
there was, have been cleared out in some earlier posts... maybe u should try to read some before posting
We as a community have been pretty mean and given a lot of hate to our casters.
That Asian female GSL caster who banged that Australian male GSL caster never really got a chance, Moletrap got shat on far more than he deserved, Khaldor got so much shit because of his accent and even TB got a lot of hate during the beginning of his casting. Most of that was undeserved, especially regarding TB.
How much of that contributed to the demise of SC2, we'll never know. But look at how much TB alone is doing for SC2 right now, and imagine we still had the passionate people we drove away, maybe our finals wouldn't be 12k viewer pity parties they are now.
And ya should be grateful because back in 2010 you lot were claiming I should leave because I was 'in it for the money'
Sure are quiet now aren't we?
Has anyone in eSports ever been "in it for the money"? I think I remember hearing once from someone who claimed to know him personally that Spanishiwa didn't care about the game and was just in it for the money. But that seems like a strange idea considering how little money there is and how hard you have to work for it
Don't be hostile to new blood and nobody gets into eSports "for the money".
I don't know, I still think that's what EG did. They saw there were eyes on SC2, and they figured they could squeeze the most short-term money out of the community by turning SC2 into a toxic drama-fest.
You and incontrol are awesome casters and I could literally listen to you in particular commentating on grass grow, but trying to turn insane geniuses / worker bees like the best Koreans into stupid Kardashians for brief spikes in viewership has to be entirely misguided. SC2 never had the potential to go mainstream, so poking Koreans to "throw some shade" or whatever euphemism you use for cheap drama has to be counterproductive.
I know it seems arrogant for me to say this to a former team-owner and industry insider, but I can't possibly imagine a way in which you whispering "Tell him you fucked his mom!" into Ryung's ear contributes anything of long-term value.
Again, huge fan of almost all of your content, but that particular policy seems misguided to me.
And ya should be grateful because back in 2010 you lot were claiming I should leave because I was 'in it for the money'
Sure are quiet now aren't we?
Has anyone in eSports ever been "in it for the money"? I think I remember hearing once from someone who claimed to know him personally that Spanishiwa didn't care about the game and was just in it for the money. But that seems like a strange idea considering how little money there is and how hard you have to work for it
Don't be hostile to new blood and nobody gets into eSports "for the money".
I don't know, I still think that's what EG did. They saw there were eyes on SC2, and they figured they could squeeze the most short-term money out of the community by turning SC2 into a toxic drama-fest.
How much do you know about Evil Geniuses? Because StarCraft 2 is far from the first eSports they've been a part of, nor remotely the one they're best known for.
On July 24 2017 07:28 Six.Strings wrote: We as a community have been pretty mean and given a lot of hate to our casters.
That Asian female GSL caster who banged that Australian male GSL caster never really got a chance, Moletrap got shat on far more than he deserved, Khaldor got so much shit because of his accent and even TB got a lot of hate during the beginning of his casting. Most of that was undeserved, especially regarding TB.
How much of that contributed to the demise of SC2, we'll never know. But look at how much TB alone is doing for SC2 right now, and imagine we still had the passionate people we drove away, maybe our finals wouldn't be 12k viewer pity parties they are now.
Kelly is now the manager of Alliance, a DotA 2 team.
Speaking of DotA 2, Day9 is going to be the host of TI7. This is what you see when you start DotA 2:
On July 05 2017 19:40 RaiKageRyu wrote: I felt like the way he left his "Huskateers" was somewhat distasteful. Unlike the SC2GG commentators, Husky was actually a full-time pro. Sure, he's allowed to walk away from the scene whenever he wants to. Any man has that right. But at least have the decency to leave a retirement or indefinite hiatus VOD announcement up to his subscribers. (Yeah his other Social Media sources let's you know he's been up to but come on.)
His last posted VOD has over a million views and it's largely because of his fans keep checking in on him from time to time.
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