On July 03 2017 22:08 ilikeredheads wrote: really? the community hated husky?
I mean, if you want talk about unjustified hate from the community, moletrap had it way worse. The guy started doing BW casts, then got the dream job of casting GSL, but the community got so toxic he had to quit.
Personal opinions and all but:
1. I found Moletrap's SC2 casting much more grating than his old BW casts, which I didn't have a problem with. Also one of the specific reasons a lot of people gave him flak was because he had bad chemistry with his co-casters and kept interrupting and shouting over them. We're talking about Code A in 2011 yeah?
2. Not that it's supposed to be a contest or anything, but it's pretty much indisputable that Husky did way more for SC2 than Moletrap or literally almost anyone else, providing ridiculous amounts of content starting with WoL beta. He was by far the most successful SC2 YouTuber and responsible for getting a lot of newer people into SC2, *on top of* commentating for MLG and whatnot.
On July 02 2017 13:43 LongShot27 wrote: It wasn't just stupid hateful shit like, "you suck" or "leave the community" People wrote articles and bitched and moaned on forums about how bad he and other people were. People petitioned organizers not to have certain casters just because they didn't like them. This community gets to such a shit level so often, then we complain when people retire.
I'm probably stating the obvious here, but the Internet is made up of a lot of people. The ones who trashed Husky back then may not be the ones who are now wishing for his return ;D.
I'm pretty sure FFGenerations was only making a light-hearted joke comparing the respective food videos :D. I don't follow the SC scene much anymore, but one thing's for sure, TB is a god among PC (and especially Steam) gamers.
i went to an SC2 event in Toronto 5 years ago and got a chance to meet in person a few of these reddit and TL posters who love to hate prominent community members. After seeing them in person LIVE and just watching them do their thing ... my hunch is that they hate their own lives and they're projecting it onto others. That's just a hunch though. I'd need more observations to verify it and i'm too lazy to do so. So their motives will remain an eternal mystery....
On July 02 2017 18:43 JackONeill wrote: Overall popular casters jumping ship wasn't a surprise to me. I expected day9 to stick around longer though.
On July 02 2017 18:43 JackONeill wrote: Overall popular casters jumping ship wasn't a surprise to me. I expected day9 to stick around longer though.
i think Day9 got derailed by a full time job.
If you're referring to that browser RTS game he was supposedly working on in some capacity, I believe he left that project a year or two ago, and it's been cancelled since then anyway.
On July 02 2017 18:43 JackONeill wrote: Overall popular casters jumping ship wasn't a surprise to me. I expected day9 to stick around longer though.
i think Day9 got derailed by a full time job.
If you're referring to that browser RTS game he was supposedly working on in some capacity, I believe he left that project a year or two ago, and it's been cancelled since then anyway.
true, but i think the reason he stopped doing SC2 content in late 2014 is that he started a full time job. upon his return he has , indeed, done very little SC content.
On July 04 2017 04:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i went to an SC2 event in Toronto 5 years ago and got a chance to meet in person a few of these reddit and TL posters who love to hate prominent community members. After seeing them in person LIVE and just watching them do their thing ... my hunch is that they hate their own lives and they're projecting it onto others. That's just a hunch though. I'd need more observations to verify it and i'm too lazy to do so. So their motives will remain an eternal mystery....
On July 02 2017 18:43 JackONeill wrote: Overall popular casters jumping ship wasn't a surprise to me. I expected day9 to stick around longer though.
i think Day9 got derailed by a full time job.
This. At the end of the day Husky's choices gave him an amazing wife and the couple is close to $10mill worth at sub 30 years old. If they invest and spend wisely, they won't ever have to work, and they can have a whole life of playing video games and baking cakes if they so wish. Of course haters gonna hate.
On July 04 2017 04:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i went to an SC2 event in Toronto 5 years ago and got a chance to meet in person a few of these reddit and TL posters who love to hate prominent community members. After seeing them in person LIVE and just watching them do their thing ... my hunch is that they hate their own lives and they're projecting it onto others. That's just a hunch though. I'd need more observations to verify it and i'm too lazy to do so. So their motives will remain an eternal mystery....
On July 02 2017 18:43 JackONeill wrote: Overall popular casters jumping ship wasn't a surprise to me. I expected day9 to stick around longer though.
i think Day9 got derailed by a full time job.
Not surprised that the toxic haters are losers. nobody ever builds a statue to a critic. its so easy to sit back and shit on dj wheat, jp mcdaniels, husky, moletrap, or any of the og sc2 casters who did a great job, while offering nothing of value yourself. bbbbbbbbut these casters are not good at the game. stop whining and make your own content then useless haters. really sucks moletrap got hated away from doing what he loved.
And ya should be grateful because back in 2010 you lot were claiming I should leave because I was 'in it for the money'
Sure are quiet now aren't we?
Has anyone in eSports ever been "in it for the money"? I think I remember hearing once from someone who claimed to know him personally that Spanishiwa didn't care about the game and was just in it for the money. But that seems like a strange idea considering how little money there is and how hard you have to work for it
And ya should be grateful because back in 2010 you lot were claiming I should leave because I was 'in it for the money'
Sure are quiet now aren't we?
Has anyone in eSports ever been "in it for the money"? I think I remember hearing once from someone who claimed to know him personally that Spanishiwa didn't care about the game and was just in it for the money. But that seems like a strange idea considering how little money there is and how hard you have to work for it
Yes, i think that idea is kinda weird, too.
In general, with the amount of effort and talent(and luck to be the one out of thousands to gain a large enough following*) you have to put in to make any money in esports, you could make a lot more money in other sectors of the industry. If you want to make money as a player, online poker or something like that probably works a lot better. As a "personality", you can usually make more as some sort of analyst, salesmen, or whatever depending on your talents. Esports is not a career that you should take to make loads of money. Yes, there are some few that make a lot of money. But compare the "a lot of money" they make to the "a lot of money" people at the top of other industries make, and it becomes a pitifully small amount.
If you are "in it for the money", and the "it" you are in is esports, you are exceptionally bad at choosing the "it" to get in for the money. There are a lot of different "it"s that you could get in for the money that result in a lot more money.
*I know it is not only luck, and this does not mean to disparage the achievements of those who did it. But even if you are talented and put in loads of work, you will still more than likely never be well-known enough to make lots of money in esports
And ya should be grateful because back in 2010 you lot were claiming I should leave because I was 'in it for the money'
Sure are quiet now aren't we?
Has anyone in eSports ever been "in it for the money"? I think I remember hearing once from someone who claimed to know him personally that Spanishiwa didn't care about the game and was just in it for the money. But that seems like a strange idea considering how little money there is and how hard you have to work for it
I think anyone that did was a complete fool and very likely learned that pretty quick.
In 2010 however when SC2 exploded, those that had been around on TL and the rapidly growing SCReddit who had followed Brood War were often very insular and had an "old boys club" attitude which was hostile to people coming into the scene with the SC2 beta who had no Brood War credentials.
Unsurprisingly most of those people aren't even around anymore. Husky and HD got a metric ton of shit despite being the reason why a lot of people got into SC2 to begin with. HD eventually tapped out, I remember the Reddit thread right before he did just utterly shitting on him. Husky found a career path that wasn't constantly yelling at him for not being GM and left to pursue it. Can't blame them in the slightest frankly.
The community was in many ways its own worst enemy. I hope what happened then is remembered as an example of what not to do when your game explodes into eSports popularity. Don't gatekeep. Don't be hostile to new blood and nobody gets into eSports "for the money".
Yeah, to be honest there's something nice about modern SC2 not having so much ambition as it did back then. It was exciting that we felt like we were going to create the biggest competitive viewing experience on the planet, but everyone was so hungry for legitimacy that they were very, very quick to jump on anyone who threatened their eSports dream.
I liked Husky and Day9 and the rest and it'd be cool to see them do SC content again, but I think I like it better when people are content to just watch and play Starcraft. It'd sure suck if you quit caring about it though, TB
On July 04 2017 08:59 ChristianS wrote: Yeah, to be honest there's something nice about modern SC2 not having so much ambition as it did back then. It was exciting that we felt like we were going to create the biggest competitive viewing experience on the planet, but everyone was so hungry for legitimacy that they were very, very quick to jump on anyone who threatened their eSports dream.
I liked Husky and Day9 and the rest and it'd be cool to see them do SC content again, but I think I like it better when people are content to just watch and play Starcraft. It'd sure suck if you quit caring about it though, TB
All good things must come to an end eventually. One of these day I'll step back and never step forward again. All games have a finite lifespan. I just don't happen to think this one is over yet, not by a long shot and at least most of the obstructionists have left so the rest of us can get on with it.
On July 03 2017 22:08 ilikeredheads wrote: really? the community hated husky?
I mean, if you want talk about unjustified hate from the community, moletrap had it way worse. The guy started doing BW casts, then got the dream job of casting GSL, but the community got so toxic he had to quit.
Personal opinions and all but:
1. I found Moletrap's SC2 casting much more grating than his old BW casts, which I didn't have a problem with. Also one of the specific reasons a lot of people gave him flak was because he had bad chemistry with his co-casters and kept interrupting and shouting over them. We're talking about Code A in 2011 yeah?
2. Not that it's supposed to be a contest or anything, but it's pretty much indisputable that Husky did way more for SC2 than Moletrap or literally almost anyone else, providing ridiculous amounts of content starting with WoL beta. He was by far the most successful SC2 YouTuber and responsible for getting a lot of newer people into SC2, *on top of* commentating for MLG and whatnot.
Guess we should have found a different video game commentator over there in South Korea. We must have only the best!
On July 04 2017 08:59 ChristianS wrote: Yeah, to be honest there's something nice about modern SC2 not having so much ambition as it did back then. It was exciting that we felt like we were going to create the biggest competitive viewing experience on the planet, but everyone was so hungry for legitimacy that they were very, very quick to jump on anyone who threatened their eSports dream.
I liked Husky and Day9 and the rest and it'd be cool to see them do SC content again, but I think I like it better when people are content to just watch and play Starcraft. It'd sure suck if you quit caring about it though, TB
All good things must come to an end eventually. One of these day I'll step back and never step forward again. All games have a finite lifespan. I just don't happen to think this one is over yet, not by a long shot and at least most of the obstructionists have left so the rest of us can get on with it.
Thanks for caring TB. To this day, your Sandisk invitational still remains the best online event I can remember.
You did it all from caster, to team owner, to patron of the game.
When this game finally dies many of the memories I have will be tied to your content (the Demuslim hangover, the teamleague with the weird maps nobody wanted to play, who the hell proxies a tank, etc.)
EPT
