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cannedbeans
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Heck, what ever happened to ... (insert favorite caster here). --- continuation of BW forums: What ever happened to Moletrap? | ||
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slit
Spain212 Posts
Apparently he's long-term procrastinating casting-side and playing some fun games with old (Bronze League Heroes) partner Sinvicta | ||
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EESCLuna
Spain53 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
it seems obvious that he just lost his motivation to put out his own content and doesnt want to disappoint his many loyal fans by spelling it out for them. i don't blame him, as when he stopped uploading he started getting a lot of ridiculous rage comments about how he had "betrayed starcraft" and stuff like that. fame can be a bitch | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On July 02 2017 06:48 EESCLuna wrote: He just stopped doing sc2 media when it started to fall after HOTS realase. as day9 did. not accurate and not sure what youre basing this on. he had a popular lets play type channel where he played other games, and he stopped making content for that channel too. you can't just assume the reason is deadgaem and speak for another person | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4332 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/523288-what-happened-to-moletrap | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20278 Posts
On July 02 2017 06:48 brickrd wrote: from what i understand he has a girlfriend with a successful youtube channel and he slowly drifted away from making SC content so he could focus more on her career it seems obvious that he just lost his motivation to put out his own content and doesnt want to disappoint his many loyal fans by spelling it out for them. i don't blame him, as when he stopped uploading he started getting a lot of ridiculous rage comments about how he had "betrayed starcraft" and stuff like that. fame can be a bitch HDstarcraft stopped uploading in the middle of a series, he just said come back for game 3 and then never posted another video.. it's very odd | ||
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Aron Times
United States312 Posts
Day9 now plays a variety of games, including DotA 2. The way Day9 plays DotA 2 on Twitch reminds me of how his Day9 Dailies used to be, and how enthusiastic he was to play the game. If you didn't know what DotA 2 was, you might've assumed that it was a Starcraft 2 expansion due to how cheerful Day9 is when playing it. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On July 02 2017 12:31 LongShot27 wrote: Well the community treated him like shit. Like, people made fun of him for casting, for no other reason than they didn't like the way he casted, that he got invited to MLG over their favorite casters, stuff like that. It got really bad in late 2012, early 2013, when hots was coming out, people ripped into him for not being a real caster, or a real gamer, or not only doing SC2. It was really ugly. He stopped appearing at events then stopped making content all together, he started managing his girlfriends productions so he went to that full time. This is super true and a lot of people tend to overlook it. Probably a big reason why a lot of other casters and content creators also got less and less involved with SC2 as time went on. Ask about them today, especially on /r/starcraft, and most of the answers will say "dolla dolla bill yo"... well no, turns out people don't appreciate being shit on for no reason by anons who let's face it most of the time don't even have the credentials to hate in the first place. Even Day[9] who competed in BW at a higher level than 95% of people on this forum have ever competed in their lives at anything, and who provided such a wealth of information and entertainment and helpful positivity for years. Even he was targeted by all kinds of nonsense conspiracies that he's only in it for the money (that's why it took him 5 years to get into DotA 2 right?) or that he's a super fake person, or that he's actually an asshole IRL etc. Started of course by nobodies who have never achieved anything and likely haven't even played BW. And then people wonder why he slowly distanced himself from SC2 and have the audacity to call him a sellout. Same goes for many others. I'm genuinely impressed that TotalBiscuit continues to support this scene with events and money from time to time, given how much flak he caught from irrelevant shits-for-brains over the years. Despite doing more for the benefit of this game's competitive scene (and PC gaming in general) than all of them combined times a million. You would imagine that SC2's community being smaller than LoL/DotA 2/CS:GO etc. and the game being mechanically harder to get into would be a bit of a blessing when it comes to keeping stupid children out. But as it turns out that hasn't been the case. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5214 Posts
On July 02 2017 12:31 LongShot27 wrote: Well the community treated him like shit. Like, people made fun of him for casting, for no other reason than they didn't like the way he casted, that he got invited to MLG over their favorite casters, stuff like that. It got really bad in late 2012, early 2013, when hots was coming out, people ripped into him for not being a real caster, or a real gamer, or not only doing SC2. It was really ugly. He stopped appearing at events then stopped making content all together, he started managing his girlfriends productions so he went to that full time. Yeah, but everyone gets crap from everyone, and it increases exponentially the more successful you get. I strongly doubt he cared at all. But he did bet SC2 had a bleak future so he jumped ship. Sadly, he didn't bet wrong. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On July 02 2017 12:59 207aicila wrote: This is super true and a lot of people tend to overlook it. Probably a big reason why a lot of other casters and content creators also got less and less involved with SC2 as time went on. Ask about them today, especially on /r/starcraft, and most of the answers will say "dolla dolla bill yo"... well no, turns out people don't appreciate being shit on for no reason by anons who let's face it most of the time don't even have the credentials to hate in the first place. Even Day[9] who competed in BW at a higher level than 95% of people on this forum have ever competed in their lives at anything, and who provided such a wealth of information and entertainment and helpful positivity for years. Even he was targeted by all kinds of nonsense conspiracies that he's only in it for the money (that's why it took him 5 years to get into DotA 2 right?) or that he's a super fake person, or that he's actually an asshole IRL etc. Started of course by nobodies who have never achieved anything and likely haven't even played BW. And then people wonder why he slowly distanced himself from SC2 and have the audacity to call him a sellout. Same goes for many others. I'm genuinely impressed that TotalBiscuit continues to support this scene with events and money from time to time, given how much flak he caught from irrelevant shits-for-brains over the years. Despite doing more for the benefit of this game's competitive scene (and PC gaming in general) than all of them combined times a million. You would imagine that SC2's community being smaller than LoL/DotA 2/CS:GO etc. and the game being mechanically harder to get into would be a bit of a blessing when it comes to keeping stupid children out. But as it turns out that hasn't been the case. It's not just kids though. I don't think some people realise how much influence they can have on a person when they make stupid and hateful comments. That being said, i don't buy the hurt feelings argument being THE reason. For Day9 he said it himself, time invested relative to views (money) is very bad for SC2 as compared to other games. He put in a lot of work in his SC2 content so that makes sense. There maybe not being so much love for the game accentuated the problem, he'll be back with BW:R i'm sure. About TB i'd like to remind you who started one of the most unfair criticism campaigns i'v ever seen, and it wasn't a "nobody" but a couple of very popular community figures that had huge influence over the community. This was the first time i remember arguments of "he's in it for the money/ he's fake" came up. Come to think of it i'm not gonna name them because it's a long time past and all is good now. One other aspect is that some popular figures have left without ever giving any form of goodbye or closure, so to speak. This makes people feel hurt, betrayed and it leads to bad feelings and more nasty stuff being said. Childish maybe, but it is what it is. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On July 02 2017 13:35 Sapphire.lux wrote: It's not just kids though. I don't think some people realise how much influence they can have on a person when they make stupid and hateful comments. That being said, i don't buy the hurt feelings argument being THE reason. For Day9 he said it himself, time invested relative to views (money) is very bad for SC2 as compared to other games. He put in a lot of work in his SC2 content so that makes sense. There maybe not being so much love for the game accentuated the problem, he'll be back with BW:R i'm sure. About TB i'd like to remind you who started one of the most unfair criticism campaigns i'v ever seen, and it wasn't a "nobody" but a couple of very popular community figures that had huge influence over the community. This was the first time i remember arguments of "he's in it for the money/ he's fake" came up. Come to think of it i'm not gonna name them because it's a long time past and all is good now. One other aspect is that some popular figures have left without ever giving any form of goodbye or closure, so to speak. This makes people feel hurt, betrayed and it leads to bad feelings and more nasty stuff being said. Childish maybe, but it is what it is. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On July 02 2017 13:43 LongShot27 wrote: It wasn't just stupid hateful shit like, "you suck" or "leave the community" People wrote articles and bitched and moaned on forums about how bad he and other people were. People petitioned organizers not to have certain casters just because they didn't like them. This community gets to such a shit level so often, then we complain when people retire. Yeah, it depends on how you express yourself. I think it's ok to say you like caster x and not caster y. Husky was a youtuber first and he had his fans on the channel. It seems a bit silly to me that he should completely abandon SC2 because he wasn't also appreciated as a live event caster. I think he just changed his priorities in life and that's ok. | ||
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franzji
United States581 Posts
On July 02 2017 13:35 Sapphire.lux wrote: It's not just kids though. I don't think some people realise how much influence they can have on a person when they make stupid and hateful comments. That being said, i don't buy the hurt feelings argument being THE reason. For Day9 he said it himself, time invested relative to views (money) is very bad for SC2 as compared to other games. He put in a lot of work in his SC2 content so that makes sense. There maybe not being so much love for the game accentuated the problem, he'll be back with BW:R i'm sure. About TB i'd like to remind you who started one of the most unfair criticism campaigns i'v ever seen, and it wasn't a "nobody" but a couple of very popular community figures that had huge influence over the community. This was the first time i remember arguments of "he's in it for the money/ he's fake" came up. Come to think of it i'm not gonna name them because it's a long time past and all is good now. One other aspect is that some popular figures have left without ever giving any form of goodbye or closure, so to speak. This makes people feel hurt, betrayed and it leads to bad feelings and more nasty stuff being said. Childish maybe, but it is what it is. This is really well said and it's really unfortunate that we have lost good content creators. I hate threads like this now because a lot of people say have hurt feelings, miss people and want them back, or act so entitled about people leaving them "for money". casters/video makers owe you nothing, and if they move on people should too. | ||
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Kaizor
Singapore909 Posts
It's been a long time since i saw that video but i think he said that's why he was taking a break to recuperate. But yeah he probably moved on after that and never came back. Hey a lot of people don't think too highly of Husky, but before teamliquid.net, me and many other people got into SC2 because of his videos. He was a huge reason why many people watch SC2 on youtube. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
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reneg
United States859 Posts
On July 02 2017 14:41 Kaizor wrote: It must be quite a few years back when there was a video in which Husky explained that he had a health issue with his throat and his doctor told him it was mainly because of how he was casting. If you have ever seen or heard Husky cast, you probably know why. It's been a long time since i saw that video but i think he said that's why he was taking a break to recuperate. But yeah he probably moved on after that and never came back. Hey a lot of people don't think too highly of Husky, but before teamliquid.net, me and many other people got into SC2 because of his videos. He was a huge reason why many people watch SC2 on youtube. I don't remember hearing anything like that. On July 02 2017 12:31 LongShot27 wrote: Well the community treated him like shit. Like, people made fun of him for casting, for no other reason than they didn't like the way he casted, that he got invited to MLG over their favorite casters, stuff like that. It got really bad in late 2012, early 2013, when hots was coming out, people ripped into him for not being a real caster, or a real gamer, or not only doing SC2. It was really ugly. He stopped appearing at events then stopped making content all together, he started managing his girlfriends productions so he went to that full time. This, however, I do remember. | ||
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Kaizor
Singapore909 Posts
On July 02 2017 14:53 reneg wrote: I don't remember hearing anything like that. This, however, I do remember. ya ya because you didn't see it so it didn't exist. /facepalm here, from his youtube channel, his last explanation video. After that there were still about 20+ videos of various games but no more updates about himself. | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
My all time favorite youtube wc3 caster was StoneBreakKid or (SBK), at least he explained why he was retiring in his last couple of videos and he did so after that, I dont see the Wc3 community raging and giving the guy any kind of hate , in fact I have the utmost respect for his decision to focus on his work as an engineer to advance his career and all his dedicated work for wc3. | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
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JackONeill
861 Posts
People getting mad at "internet personalities" for stopping producing non-profitable content are morons. "Internet personalities" often start making content as a hobby, then try to make a living out of it, or move to something else. But the aim is always to pay bill and eat three times a day. I really like the day9 dailies and they helped me a lot getting better at the game, and one day they stopped. He said he went on a hiatus, but never made any more SC2 dailies : i don't give a shit about watching him play heartstone, but i wouldn't blame him. If anything, i'm much more mad at blizzard for destroying the SC2 franchise with 2 failed expensions, then pulling ressources away from multiplayer developpement, leaving a game that has had great potential since WOL in a state where any gold-league player could figure out ways the game could be better. The lack of work from blizzard towards SC2's multi meant the viewership dropped, especially during times where the meta was stale and stupid (BLfestor/blinkallins/SH 3hours games) but where the dev team did nothing. In turn that meant people loss interest, that content produced by "internet personalities" for the game was way less profitable, meaning a lot moved on to something else, leading even more people away from the game. | ||
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Aron Times
United States312 Posts
If anything, i'm much more mad at blizzard for destroying the SC2 franchise with 2 failed expensions, then pulling ressources away from multiplayer developpement, leaving a game that has had great potential since WOL in a state where any gold-league player could figure out ways the game could be better. The lack of work from blizzard towards SC2's multi meant the viewership dropped, especially during times where the meta was stale and stupid (BLfestor/blinkallins/SH 3hours games) but where the dev team did nothing. In turn that meant people loss interest, that content produced by "internet personalities" for the game was way less profitable, meaning a lot moved on to something else, leading even more people away from the game. The worst enemy of SC2 was Blizzard itself. All those sacrifices made at the altar of APM destroyed the game. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
On July 02 2017 09:36 Eternal Dalek wrote: Husky now produces his waifu's very successful YouTube channel. His wife has a net worth of $9 million. I checked out some of our Youtube videos. On the lower end, some of her videos have about 700K views. On the higher end, one of her videos had 13 million views. I didn't bother to look too far so she probably has other videos with even more views than 13 million. Looks like most of her videos have between 1 million to 3 million views. And she's pretty decent looking too. LOL, where do I get a wife like that? | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On July 02 2017 23:26 xelnaga_empire wrote: His wife has a net worth of $9 million. I checked out some of our Youtube videos. On the lower end, some of her videos have about 700K views. On the higher end, one of her videos had 13 million views. I didn't bother to look too far so she probably has other videos with even more views than 13 million. Looks like most of her videos have between 1 million to 3 million views. Nice stats, yeah, it's weird seeing posts from time to time talking about her as if she's just some random lady, people not knowing how much bigger and more successful her channel is (and has been) compared to Husky's. On July 02 2017 23:26 xelnaga_empire wrote: And she's pretty decent looking too. LOL, where do I get a wife like that? West coast USA, but the YouTube gold rush is over. Better luck next time there's a breakthrough in entertainment media!  | ||
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Hadronsbecrazy
United Kingdom551 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2081 Posts
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
Edit: Interesting video. At least there's some sort of explanation about it. Better late then never. | ||
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_Epi_
Germany158 Posts
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
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Aron Times
United States312 Posts
1. YouTube stars Rosanna Pansino & HuskyStarcraft plop out nearly $4 million in Tarzana 2. NOT MY ARMS CHALLENGE 3. NOT MY ARMS CHALLENGE - Decorating a Cake 4. Rosanna Pansino - Perfect Together (Official Music Video) | ||
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Simberto
Germany11397 Posts
On July 02 2017 18:43 JackONeill wrote: Overall popular casters jumping ship wasn't a surprise to me. I expected day9 to stick around longer though. People getting mad at "internet personalities" for stopping producing non-profitable content are morons. "Internet personalities" often start making content as a hobby, then try to make a living out of it, or move to something else. But the aim is always to pay bill and eat three times a day. I really like the day9 dailies and they helped me a lot getting better at the game, and one day they stopped. He said he went on a hiatus, but never made any more SC2 dailies : i don't give a shit about watching him play heartstone, but i wouldn't blame him. Agreed. It is weird how some people think that someone that produces free content that they enjoy owes them something because they are consuming that content. The content creation is always a hobby or a job for the person creating the content. If you want more of that content, be nice to them, and try to make creating the content more rewarding, for example through positive feedback. If they don't produce the things you enjoy anymore, stop consuming. Either enough people enjoy their stuff that they still keep on doing it, or they will do something else. Don't be an asshole about it. They don't owe you anything, you don't owe them anything. Being nice to people who make or have made things that you like should be a no brainer. | ||
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
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BigRedDog
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Aron Times
United States312 Posts
Heck, they're not even playing the normal game, but a heavily modified version of TF2 that is extremely unpopular with outsiders. I'm glad that Husky and Day9 got out when they could. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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raff100
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
I mean, if you want talk about unjustified hate from the community, moletrap had it way worse. The guy started doing BW casts, then got the dream job of casting GSL, but the community got so toxic he had to quit. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On July 03 2017 22:08 ilikeredheads wrote: really? the community hated husky? I mean, if you want talk about unjustified hate from the community, moletrap had it way worse. The guy started doing BW casts, then got the dream job of casting GSL, but the community got so toxic he had to quit. Personal opinions and all but: 1. I found Moletrap's SC2 casting much more grating than his old BW casts, which I didn't have a problem with. Also one of the specific reasons a lot of people gave him flak was because he had bad chemistry with his co-casters and kept interrupting and shouting over them. We're talking about Code A in 2011 yeah? 2. Not that it's supposed to be a contest or anything, but it's pretty much indisputable that Husky did way more for SC2 than Moletrap or literally almost anyone else, providing ridiculous amounts of content starting with WoL beta. He was by far the most successful SC2 YouTuber and responsible for getting a lot of newer people into SC2, *on top of* commentating for MLG and whatnot. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On July 02 2017 13:43 LongShot27 wrote: It wasn't just stupid hateful shit like, "you suck" or "leave the community" People wrote articles and bitched and moaned on forums about how bad he and other people were. People petitioned organizers not to have certain casters just because they didn't like them. This community gets to such a shit level so often, then we complain when people retire. I'm probably stating the obvious here, but the Internet is made up of a lot of people. The ones who trashed Husky back then may not be the ones who are now wishing for his return ;D. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
jump to 1:45 agghhh aghhhh the sugarrrr instead we get this miserable sod | ||
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ClanWars
United States330 Posts
On July 04 2017 00:24 FFGenerations wrote: https://youtu.be/wkPyk04ZEFU?t=104 jump to 1:45 agghhh aghhhh the sugarrrr instead we get this miserable sod https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoIiKOgtYB8 And ya should be grateful because back in 2010 you lot were claiming I should leave because I was 'in it for the money' Sure are quiet now aren't we? | ||
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Quateras
Germany867 Posts
On July 04 2017 00:47 ClanWars wrote: And ya should be grateful because back in 2010 you lot were claiming I should leave because I was 'in it for the money' Sure are quiet now aren't we? They pretty much are now, you've proven them wrong over and over. I'm glad we have you in our community :D | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
I don't follow the SC scene much anymore, but one thing's for sure, TB is a god among PC (and especially Steam) gamers. | ||
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
"HEY! THIS IS HD HD HUSKY HUSKY HUSKY HUSKY HUSKY!!!!!!!!!" Inside my head | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16601 Posts
On July 02 2017 18:43 JackONeill wrote: Overall popular casters jumping ship wasn't a surprise to me. I expected day9 to stick around longer though. i think Day9 got derailed by a full time job. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On July 04 2017 04:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i think Day9 got derailed by a full time job. If you're referring to that browser RTS game he was supposedly working on in some capacity, I believe he left that project a year or two ago, and it's been cancelled since then anyway. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16601 Posts
On July 04 2017 04:52 207aicila wrote: If you're referring to that browser RTS game he was supposedly working on in some capacity, I believe he left that project a year or two ago, and it's been cancelled since then anyway. true, but i think the reason he stopped doing SC2 content in late 2014 is that he started a full time job. upon his return he has , indeed, done very little SC content. | ||
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MyLovelyLurker
France756 Posts
On July 04 2017 04:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i went to an SC2 event in Toronto 5 years ago and got a chance to meet in person a few of these reddit and TL posters who love to hate prominent community members. After seeing them in person LIVE and just watching them do their thing ... my hunch is that they hate their own lives and they're projecting it onto others. That's just a hunch though. I'd need more observations to verify it and i'm too lazy to do so. So their motives will remain an eternal mystery.... i think Day9 got derailed by a full time job. This. At the end of the day Husky's choices gave him an amazing wife and the couple is close to $10mill worth at sub 30 years old. If they invest and spend wisely, they won't ever have to work, and they can have a whole life of playing video games and baking cakes if they so wish. Of course haters gonna hate. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
On July 04 2017 04:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i went to an SC2 event in Toronto 5 years ago and got a chance to meet in person a few of these reddit and TL posters who love to hate prominent community members. After seeing them in person LIVE and just watching them do their thing ... my hunch is that they hate their own lives and they're projecting it onto others. That's just a hunch though. I'd need more observations to verify it and i'm too lazy to do so. So their motives will remain an eternal mystery.... i think Day9 got derailed by a full time job. Not surprised that the toxic haters are losers. nobody ever builds a statue to a critic. its so easy to sit back and shit on dj wheat, jp mcdaniels, husky, moletrap, or any of the og sc2 casters who did a great job, while offering nothing of value yourself. bbbbbbbbut these casters are not good at the game. stop whining and make your own content then useless haters. really sucks moletrap got hated away from doing what he loved. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3187 Posts
On July 04 2017 00:47 ClanWars wrote: And ya should be grateful because back in 2010 you lot were claiming I should leave because I was 'in it for the money' Sure are quiet now aren't we? Has anyone in eSports ever been "in it for the money"? I think I remember hearing once from someone who claimed to know him personally that Spanishiwa didn't care about the game and was just in it for the money. But that seems like a strange idea considering how little money there is and how hard you have to work for it | ||
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Simberto
Germany11397 Posts
On July 04 2017 08:21 ChristianS wrote: Has anyone in eSports ever been "in it for the money"? I think I remember hearing once from someone who claimed to know him personally that Spanishiwa didn't care about the game and was just in it for the money. But that seems like a strange idea considering how little money there is and how hard you have to work for it Yes, i think that idea is kinda weird, too. In general, with the amount of effort and talent(and luck to be the one out of thousands to gain a large enough following*) you have to put in to make any money in esports, you could make a lot more money in other sectors of the industry. If you want to make money as a player, online poker or something like that probably works a lot better. As a "personality", you can usually make more as some sort of analyst, salesmen, or whatever depending on your talents. Esports is not a career that you should take to make loads of money. Yes, there are some few that make a lot of money. But compare the "a lot of money" they make to the "a lot of money" people at the top of other industries make, and it becomes a pitifully small amount. If you are "in it for the money", and the "it" you are in is esports, you are exceptionally bad at choosing the "it" to get in for the money. There are a lot of different "it"s that you could get in for the money that result in a lot more money. *I know it is not only luck, and this does not mean to disparage the achievements of those who did it. But even if you are talented and put in loads of work, you will still more than likely never be well-known enough to make lots of money in esports | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On July 04 2017 08:21 ChristianS wrote: Has anyone in eSports ever been "in it for the money"? Yes, fatal1ty. Touchy issue and I won't detail this thread with it. Although to be fair, he had some opportunities that have long since been exhausted. | ||
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ClanWars
United States330 Posts
On July 04 2017 08:21 ChristianS wrote: Has anyone in eSports ever been "in it for the money"? I think I remember hearing once from someone who claimed to know him personally that Spanishiwa didn't care about the game and was just in it for the money. But that seems like a strange idea considering how little money there is and how hard you have to work for it I think anyone that did was a complete fool and very likely learned that pretty quick. In 2010 however when SC2 exploded, those that had been around on TL and the rapidly growing SCReddit who had followed Brood War were often very insular and had an "old boys club" attitude which was hostile to people coming into the scene with the SC2 beta who had no Brood War credentials. Unsurprisingly most of those people aren't even around anymore. Husky and HD got a metric ton of shit despite being the reason why a lot of people got into SC2 to begin with. HD eventually tapped out, I remember the Reddit thread right before he did just utterly shitting on him. Husky found a career path that wasn't constantly yelling at him for not being GM and left to pursue it. Can't blame them in the slightest frankly. The community was in many ways its own worst enemy. I hope what happened then is remembered as an example of what not to do when your game explodes into eSports popularity. Don't gatekeep. Don't be hostile to new blood and nobody gets into eSports "for the money". | ||
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ChristianS
United States3187 Posts
I liked Husky and Day9 and the rest and it'd be cool to see them do SC content again, but I think I like it better when people are content to just watch and play Starcraft. It'd sure suck if you quit caring about it though, TB | ||
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ClanWars
United States330 Posts
On July 04 2017 08:59 ChristianS wrote: Yeah, to be honest there's something nice about modern SC2 not having so much ambition as it did back then. It was exciting that we felt like we were going to create the biggest competitive viewing experience on the planet, but everyone was so hungry for legitimacy that they were very, very quick to jump on anyone who threatened their eSports dream. I liked Husky and Day9 and the rest and it'd be cool to see them do SC content again, but I think I like it better when people are content to just watch and play Starcraft. It'd sure suck if you quit caring about it though, TB All good things must come to an end eventually. One of these day I'll step back and never step forward again. All games have a finite lifespan. I just don't happen to think this one is over yet, not by a long shot and at least most of the obstructionists have left so the rest of us can get on with it. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 03 2017 22:18 207aicila wrote: Personal opinions and all but: 1. I found Moletrap's SC2 casting much more grating than his old BW casts, which I didn't have a problem with. Also one of the specific reasons a lot of people gave him flak was because he had bad chemistry with his co-casters and kept interrupting and shouting over them. We're talking about Code A in 2011 yeah? 2. Not that it's supposed to be a contest or anything, but it's pretty much indisputable that Husky did way more for SC2 than Moletrap or literally almost anyone else, providing ridiculous amounts of content starting with WoL beta. He was by far the most successful SC2 YouTuber and responsible for getting a lot of newer people into SC2, *on top of* commentating for MLG and whatnot. Guess we should have found a different video game commentator over there in South Korea. We must have only the best! | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On July 04 2017 09:11 ClanWars wrote: All good things must come to an end eventually. One of these day I'll step back and never step forward again. All games have a finite lifespan. I just don't happen to think this one is over yet, not by a long shot and at least most of the obstructionists have left so the rest of us can get on with it. Thanks for caring TB. To this day, your Sandisk invitational still remains the best online event I can remember. You did it all from caster, to team owner, to patron of the game. When this game finally dies many of the memories I have will be tied to your content (the Demuslim hangover, the teamleague with the weird maps nobody wanted to play, who the hell proxies a tank, etc.) I tip my hat off to you good sir. | ||
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MyLovelyLurker
France756 Posts
On July 04 2017 09:11 ClanWars wrote: All good things must come to an end eventually. One of these day I'll step back and never step forward again. All games have a finite lifespan. I just don't happen to think this one is over yet, not by a long shot and at least most of the obstructionists have left so the rest of us can get on with it. Thank you TB. We as a community are lucky to have you. | ||
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yagrebinho
15 Posts
On July 04 2017 15:02 MyLovelyLurker wrote: Thank you TB. We as a community are lucky to have you. I'm new here, but I totally agree | ||
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raff100
498 Posts
On July 04 2017 04:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i went to an SC2 event in Toronto 5 years ago and got a chance to meet in person a few of these reddit and TL posters who love to hate prominent community members. After seeing them in person LIVE and just watching them do their thing ... my hunch is that they hate their own lives and they're projecting it onto others. That's just a hunch though. I'd need more observations to verify it and i'm too lazy to do so. So their motives will remain an eternal mystery.... i think Day9 got derailed by a full time job. This is the only undeniable truth | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On July 04 2017 08:45 ClanWars wrote: In 2010 however when SC2 exploded, those that had been around on TL and the rapidly growing SCReddit who had followed Brood War were often very insular and had an "old boys club" attitude which was hostile to people coming into the scene with the SC2 beta who had no Brood War credentials. 7 years later, always the same thing | ||
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cannedbeans
32 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
It definitely isn't. r/starcraft used to be a toxic dump of balance whining, korean bashing, and pot stirring. Everyone was after that next bit of juicy drama and they didn't care whose lives they needed to intrude into or who they needed to step on to get it. It's so much more constructive now. The drop in popularity has removed the tendency for people to stir shit up for no reason because there's no one there to give them a podium anymore. People post highlights of low level play with high and low level players alike dropping in to leave comments about them. Tournament threads are way better, I haven't seen a comment demanding ritual suicide from a pro in years because he cheesed a fan favorite. Make no doubt about it, we've lost some good people over the years like Husky and especially Sean Plott (who I know will be back for SC:R) but we've also cut a lot of bad fat from our community also. We're smaller, but we're better. The growing pains are over and done with. | ||
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Jealous
10106 Posts
On July 05 2017 12:17 Vindicare605 wrote: It definitely isn't. r/starcraft used to be a toxic dump of balance whining, korean bashing, and pot stirring. Everyone was after that next bit of juicy drama and they didn't care whose lives they needed to intrude into or who they needed to step on to get it. It's so much more constructive now. The drop in popularity has removed the tendency for people to stir shit up for no reason because there's no one there to give them a podium anymore. People post highlights of low level play with high and low level players alike dropping in to leave comments about them. Tournament threads are way better, I haven't seen a comment demanding ritual suicide from a pro in years because he cheesed a fan favorite. Make no doubt about it, we've lost some good people over the years like Husky and especially Sean Plott (who I know will be back for SC:R) but we've also cut a lot of bad fat from our community also. We're smaller, but we're better. The growing pains are over and done with. It's still often very unfriendly to BW content, from what I've seen. This has been changing as of late, but in the past it was most certainly the case. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
On July 05 2017 12:58 Jealous wrote: It's still often very unfriendly to BW content, from what I've seen. This has been changing as of late, but in the past it was most certainly the case. Well this is kind of the opposite thing from what TB was talking about. The subreddit had gotten so familiar being a Starcraft 2 subreddit that the people that were on it for Starcraft 2 content (and who made up the vast majority) simply didn't upvote Brood War content. I dont want to say that people were necessarily hostile towards it, it just got lost amidst the old SC2 crap like drama and fluff that was more popular at the time. With Starcraft: Remastered announced and a general floundering of otherwise juicy e-sports gossip, more Brood War content makes it to the top of the page and people are all of a sudden realizing possibly for the first time how awesome Brood War was and still is, SC:R is building on that even further. Like I said. We're a much better community than we used to be, especially on that site. TL has always been a bit different since it's moderated heavily and has the two games split up. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
His last posted VOD has over a million views and it's largely because of his fans keep checking in on him from time to time. | ||
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ETisME
12321 Posts
Even the price reveal only got 300ish up vote and with a base skin reveal. I would go as far to say broodwar contents are being upvoted to top page only because there is such little activities in the subreddit itself. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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KOtical
Germany451 Posts
On July 05 2017 21:55 intotheheart wrote: Was there also a medical reason he stopped? I heard something about his vocal chords being damaged but that very well could've just been a dumb internet rumour. there was, have been cleared out in some earlier posts... maybe u should try to read some before posting | ||
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cannedbeans
32 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On July 24 2017 06:26 cannedbeans wrote: did he ever attend a homestory cup? anybody know? Unless Liquipedia is incomplete, no. | ||
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bypLy
757 Posts
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Six.Strings
48 Posts
That Asian female GSL caster who banged that Australian male GSL caster never really got a chance, Moletrap got shat on far more than he deserved, Khaldor got so much shit because of his accent and even TB got a lot of hate during the beginning of his casting. Most of that was undeserved, especially regarding TB. How much of that contributed to the demise of SC2, we'll never know. But look at how much TB alone is doing for SC2 right now, and imagine we still had the passionate people we drove away, maybe our finals wouldn't be 12k viewer pity parties they are now. | ||
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Six.Strings
48 Posts
On July 04 2017 08:45 ClanWars wrote: Don't be hostile to new blood and nobody gets into eSports "for the money". I don't know, I still think that's what EG did. They saw there were eyes on SC2, and they figured they could squeeze the most short-term money out of the community by turning SC2 into a toxic drama-fest. You and incontrol are awesome casters and I could literally listen to you in particular commentating on grass grow, but trying to turn insane geniuses / worker bees like the best Koreans into stupid Kardashians for brief spikes in viewership has to be entirely misguided. SC2 never had the potential to go mainstream, so poking Koreans to "throw some shade" or whatever euphemism you use for cheap drama has to be counterproductive. I know it seems arrogant for me to say this to a former team-owner and industry insider, but I can't possibly imagine a way in which you whispering "Tell him you fucked his mom!" into Ryung's ear contributes anything of long-term value. Again, huge fan of almost all of your content, but that particular policy seems misguided to me. | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On July 24 2017 07:46 Six.Strings wrote: I don't know, I still think that's what EG did. They saw there were eyes on SC2, and they figured they could squeeze the most short-term money out of the community by turning SC2 into a toxic drama-fest. How much do you know about Evil Geniuses? Because StarCraft 2 is far from the first eSports they've been a part of, nor remotely the one they're best known for. | ||
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Aron Times
United States312 Posts
On July 24 2017 07:28 Six.Strings wrote: We as a community have been pretty mean and given a lot of hate to our casters. That Asian female GSL caster who banged that Australian male GSL caster never really got a chance, Moletrap got shat on far more than he deserved, Khaldor got so much shit because of his accent and even TB got a lot of hate during the beginning of his casting. Most of that was undeserved, especially regarding TB. How much of that contributed to the demise of SC2, we'll never know. But look at how much TB alone is doing for SC2 right now, and imagine we still had the passionate people we drove away, maybe our finals wouldn't be 12k viewer pity parties they are now. Kelly is now the manager of Alliance, a DotA 2 team. Speaking of DotA 2, Day9 is going to be the host of TI7. This is what you see when you start DotA 2: 1. Main Menu 2. Caster Roster We've already covered Husky, but basically, a lot of our personalities have moved on to greener pastures. | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
On July 05 2017 19:40 RaiKageRyu wrote: I felt like the way he left his "Huskateers" was somewhat distasteful. Unlike the SC2GG commentators, Husky was actually a full-time pro. Sure, he's allowed to walk away from the scene whenever he wants to. Any man has that right. But at least have the decency to leave a retirement or indefinite hiatus VOD announcement up to his subscribers. (Yeah his other Social Media sources let's you know he's been up to but come on.) His last posted VOD has over a million views and it's largely because of his fans keep checking in on him from time to time. 100% nailed it | ||
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cannedbeans
32 Posts
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Jae Zedong
407 Posts
On July 04 2017 08:45 ClanWars wrote: I think anyone that did was a complete fool and very likely learned that pretty quick. In 2010 however when SC2 exploded, those that had been around on TL and the rapidly growing SCReddit who had followed Brood War were often very insular and had an "old boys club" attitude which was hostile to people coming into the scene with the SC2 beta who had no Brood War credentials. Unsurprisingly most of those people aren't even around anymore. Husky and HD got a metric ton of shit despite being the reason why a lot of people got into SC2 to begin with. HD eventually tapped out, I remember the Reddit thread right before he did just utterly shitting on him. Why are you blaming this on the BW community? Moletrap got even more hate despite being a "BW" guy and that sure didn't help him. The hate Husky got was unfair, but to arbitrarily shift the blame on BW is just as unfair. The reason is that the BW crowd never was large enough to set the tone of SC2 discourse. Especially not foreign discourse like r/starcraft. The BW crowd was utterly blown out of the water in terms of numbers and influence, and to blame "BW elitism" for how the SC2 community treated one of its biggest personalities is simply not fair. | ||
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