EPTLotV and his 12 workers were the nail ni the coffin for sc2.
Is LotV more fun to watch than HotS? - Page 7
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Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
LotV and his 12 workers were the nail ni the coffin for sc2. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
And of course there are exceptions to that. Swarmhosts in particular were terrible but other than those outliers HOTS was a superior game. Too many coin flips as well in LOTV. Bring back 1500 patches + 6 worker start. | ||
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Digitalz1
Canada72 Posts
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raff100
498 Posts
On April 10 2017 23:12 Digitalz1 wrote: why is this even a close poll? can someone sum this up for me cause all i recal from HOTS era is 2 hour long swarmhost vs swarmhost games.... HOW is that fun to watch.... anyways its my opinion that LOTV is a thousand times better and more entertaining. I agree that Ravens and SH made the game very stale, but after the SH nerf the game became way better.There were some issues like Ravens AT and very strong Colossus,but imho was more enjoyable than HotS | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 10 2017 09:09 Olli wrote: HotS was better. People say there's more going on now, but there isn't. There's no "small skirmishes" at all, there's harassment constantly going on because the economy is everything. So you either harass or you defend harassment. In the end a single fight still usually decides the game - in some cases even more so now because comeback potential is much smaller now. I didn't enjoy SHs, I didn't enjoy mech, I didn't enjoy blink all-ins - but at least the game felt natural, and HotS produced games that were leagues beyond anything ever played in LotV. Because the game allowed it, and LotV doesn't. I mean there still are good games in LOTV tbh. But sure i agree with you, this "there is so much going on" is ridiculous to me as well. Even in WOL we had games with drops at multiple places at once, etc. Cmon guy -.- Overall i think there are less really good games in lotv most likely, most games i watch i just think "meh". I really dislike all the new lotv units though and even the lurker doesn't really work all that well in lotv :/ | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Sorry, please don't ban me for poll balance whine!  User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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PPN
France248 Posts
I don't understand either how anyone can say out of their ass that the poll would be skewed toward LOTV because people who enjoy the game stayed and will vote while people who hate the game already left and won't even bother. Yeah all the "ded game/DK hate" posts on TL are written by ghosts. Sure. | ||
Poopi
France12904 Posts
But I enjoyed WoL much better especially before the queen buff / bl infestor era! LotV games seem indeed almost only economy oriented since you always have to expand and the fewer minerals mean workers loss are very deadly. Add to that a lot of very fast harass annoying units and it's horrible. I think you need to chose between such harass units and fewer minerals per base, not both because right now wins and losses feel cheap. You reacted a bit too slow to raven or oracle harass? Gg game over. I see what Olli is saying about the only strategical choices being "kill eco or die trying" because when I was watching aLive stream, trying to see what to focus when dropping in TvP, almost always it had to be the economy rather than tech or army :/. However the game has potential if you tweak it the right way, because so many diverse units can add variety. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
1500 mineral economy had nothing to do with the terrible swarmhost/raven/collosus ball lazer gameplay of HOTS. Those things were problems in and of themselves - balance/design problems of those units specifically. 1500 mineral economy has been used since Brood War and is proven that having that much resources per base leads to healthy gameplay where you can play either defensively (turtle) or offensively (attack/harass). Removing the minerals per base in LOTV has led to purely offensive (attack/harrass) oriented gameplay with defensive play being punished for no reason at all. DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO THINGS GUYS. 1500 MINERAL PATCHES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SWARMHOST/TURTLE gameplay. 1500 minerals was never a problem in the first place. | ||
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LDLCmiyako
France25 Posts
Now watching 6 min game that are EXTREMLY similar to each other ( feels like i'm watching almost the same games all the time beside the mirrors ) with only action everywhere and early in the game is no better. The macro part and the development of the economy leading to the late game is part of the RTS style. I really feel the games are boring to watch and too stacked on redundant actions on lotv, added to this the format of the tournament are terrible, bo3 and bo5 are done so quickly it ruin the hype in my opinion. | ||
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Irre
United States646 Posts
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DSK
England1110 Posts
At the same time, I can honestly say that the level of technical ability of many, if not all professional players with LotV has dramatically improved and some of the games I have watched were electric, balls to the wall in intensity and some games are absolutely gripping. And some are boring, like HotS. I think I'm agnostic. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24234 Posts
On April 10 2017 22:18 deacon.frost wrote: I selected no. IMO LotV is better to watch than HotS, but I want to play the game, not watch it. And if I am not playing, I'm not watching. Same for me. | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary485 Posts
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therabit
795 Posts
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Haighstrom
United Kingdom206 Posts
In HOTS I liked the tension of the more gradual starts and the anticipation of the game approaching the "big fight". Cheeses like 6 pools and 2 rax being so nervewracking as you waited to see whether the opponent would play safely enough or scout it in time, or the parting immortal build you knew was coming very early, and watching how the zerg made his time. I do miss watching HOTS a bit. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7139 Posts
On April 10 2017 16:06 PharaphobiaSC wrote: Are you out of your mind? Ppl were not addending tournaments and viewers were super low at the 2nd period of hots before lotv because this was the thing every single game which went from 3+ bases... unless koreans put some bio vs ling bane muta... or when protoss did not immortal all in or some version of 7 gate... Also don't get tricked ppl these complaining ppl are the same one calling for change when LoTV was announced... it's the kind of ppl that will always find something wrong on anything because it's not change or style they personally like... Funny thing is that i actually thought wol/hots is what sc2 should be and was put off since lotv announce :D | ||
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On April 10 2017 22:37 avilo wrote: HOTS was 1000% better to play and watch than LOTV. Virtually zero mech play in LOTV, and also too many of the same builds every single game, every match-up. And of course there are exceptions to that. Swarmhosts in particular were terrible but other than those outliers HOTS was a superior game. Too many coin flips as well in LOTV. Bring back 1500 patches + 6 worker start. Your turtle mech is the most boring, unbearable style there is. Its probably even worse than the soultrain. | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
[End of hots] Blizz pls fix SH, redesign economy, do not let tutrling to be the most broken thing in the game, who wants to watch 2h or 4h long games... [After LOTV release] Pls pls pls turning back, 3base only wtf you were even thing that we NEED to expand and move our units? Bring back turling and old hots! Wtf.... | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
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