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On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote:
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
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I have not heard anything about HuK recently. EG ending SC2-Division is not very surprising. I am interested if they got long term contracts that now get "suddenly" terminated by disbanding the team, or that they sat on ending contracts.
I guess with the effort (and money) put to the Teamhouse and the new level of advertisement EG took the chance of SC2 and became the second best foreign team.
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On January 04 2017 02:27 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote:
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago. Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
I am pretty sure Incontrol talked about working on the organization side of EG and he was doing some sponsoring work with his casting. And most of all he was the face of Starcraft EG for many year. Honestly these guys probably deserve something more then just a shitty twitter video, same for Justin or Momochi. If Snute and TLO left TL tomorrow I would hope they got something more.
Plus Incontrol made many videos thanking EG and saying he is ok with quitting.
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On January 04 2017 02:27 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote:
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago. Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
Basically this. They probably could have asked out of their contracts at any time but instead chose to ride them out to the very end despite their game of choice becoming increasingly irrelevant. Its just not really a big deal anymore. People pretty much accepted that EG was done in sc2 and now its just 'official'.
Also it is interesting. Doing some basic google research I see that twitch basically hired most of the GGA staff directly following the acquisition. I see that incontrol's wife is employed by twitch but why not incontrol as well? Guess he didn't get offered a job he wanted and probably made the decision to keep his career as a public figure instead even if it meant turning a twitch job down. Or maybe he didn't get offered one? Maybe that is why Alex left twitch? He felt betrayed that some of his staff were being cut out?
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On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote:
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK
I also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
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i dont get why he made that statement with such bitterness, from what i understand EG is a business and he was hired as a SC2 progamer, which he did well at when sc2 was still somewhat big but receding in popularity. from what his teamliquid sc2 page indicates he hasn't posted results since 2014 and i know his stream wasn't bringing in huge numbers either. so he had to of known that his "free ride" with EG was going to end sometime soon but he makes it seem like they used him and left him out in the cold when i feel like it was the other way around. thats just from what i see i could be missing something and be wrong
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On January 04 2017 02:55 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote:
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago. When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuKI also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
To be fair, he was one of the best foreigners when he got signed... but quickly fell off the map for the next 5 years.
Huk hasnt been relevant in the SC2 scene competitively since WoL in terms of results.
The whole thing he wrote, I think he does a good job of projecting a "Im not unhappy with the decision, I am unhappy with how the decision was made." But a handful of times he contradicts himself and flat out says, that he thinks its unfair that the team was handed over to the Dota2 team, and the other players weren't given an option/vote regarding it.
But at the same time, he doesnt mention anywhere how he has been sponsored/salaried for years while contributing almost nothing to his team. Same with Incontrol. I mean i am a huge fan of Geoff and have followed him since even BW, but for the last couple years of his contract... it was basically charity. He wasnt competing, he wasn't even streaming all that much or consistently. He was doing hosting, which is great, I think he makes a great SC2 event host as he has always been one of the more charismatic players, but at the same time he should have had the courtesy to stop accepting the EG charity and stand on his own two feet since he was no longer contributing anything to the EG brand.
EG had how many players who werent even competing? Just accepting money while playing enough that someone wouldnt say they "werent even trying" but they also werent ever playing/practising enough to be relevant competitively.
TSM for instance has people flying their banner who dont compete necessarily, but they are top streamers who bring in 5-30,000 viewers on their streams, they are still contributing to the TSM brand.
The EG players were bringing in what? 1-500 viewers? While most likely coasting on contracts they made back when they first signed?
Businesses dont run on charity, they can't operate on the premise of "well he was really popular and important 5 years ago, and we are close friends, so well just keep paying him out of respect."
As much as i loved the EG Sc2 personalities, so many of them were just coasting off contracts they were given years ago, while not doing anything on their end to provide some return for their "team"
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On January 04 2017 02:27 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote:
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago. Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
Because EG wouldn't be the same organization without HuK and iNcontroL. The results that HuK brought and there was a time where he was without a doubt the best foreigner. The switch from Liquid to EG rocked the scene. He is one of EG's most successful progamers ever. He absolutely deserved a tribute.
And iNcontroL had been the face of EG for YEARS. He went so far beyond a player in that organization. He would travel to companies explaining progaming, explaining why its worth investing in, being that face of a franchise it needed. He went above and beyond for EG and thats why they kept him even when his results weren't anything special. Because he brought so much value to the organization.
And its not even the SC2 guys. JWongg is no longer on EG. Yes, he decided to let his contract run out. But the only word from EG about it was from PPD in a short video on twitter adding it in to all the 2017 announcements. Momochi is gone. The dude won EVO in an EG jersey and nearly nothing is said.
So here we have several KEY cogs of this organizations history being let go. Several guys who built up this organization to be the standard in esports just gone, with no thank you. No little tribute. No talks of what was to come with the organization. If you can't understand why HuK and iNcontroL are disappointed in how things ended then you just don't understand what these guys meant to EG.
As an EG fan, its hard to see this change. I knew it was the end of SC2 there. Thats fine. I'm a big fan of the Dota team, and of PPD, I freaked out when they won TI5. But this just isn't cool. They could have done a lot better.
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I was never a fan of EG, or HuK but you have to feel for people in these situations. It's especially hard when EG was seemingly built from a "family" structure, to a more rigid corporate structure where talent is just a number on a page. You see it all the time in companies that grow up and lose the culture that grew it to the point where it is now and I think people have a right to have an opinion on it. With that being said, the scene has changed greatly, eSports is not anything like it was in 2010 and the organization needs to adapt in order to thrive. No bias but I think this type of thing is actually good - it means that we as a scene are starting to grow up and mature into something much bigger and hopefully more sustainable than it is now.
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On January 04 2017 03:19 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2017 02:27 Mohdoo wrote:On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote:
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago. Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left. Because EG wouldn't be the same organization without HuK and iNcontroL. The results that HuK brought and there was a time where he was without a doubt the best foreigner. The switch from Liquid to EG rocked the scene. He is one of EG's most successful progamers ever. He absolutely deserved a tribute. And iNcontroL had been the face of EG for YEARS. He went so far beyond a player in that organization. He would travel to companies explaining progaming, explaining why its worth investing in, being that face of a franchise it needed. He went above and beyond for EG and thats why they kept him even when his results weren't anything special. Because he brought so much value to the organization. And its not even the SC2 guys. JWongg is no longer on EG. Yes, he decided to let his contract run out. But the only word from EG about it was from PPD in a short video on twitter adding it in to all the 2017 announcements. Momochi is gone. The dude won EVO in an EG jersey and nearly nothing is said. So here we have several KEY cogs of this organizations history being let go. Several guys who built up this organization to be the standard in esports just gone, with no thank you. No little tribute. No talks of what was to come with the organization. If you can't understand why HuK and iNcontroL are disappointed in how things ended then you just don't understand what these guys meant to EG. As an EG fan, its hard to see this change. I knew it was the end of SC2 there. Thats fine. I'm a big fan of the Dota team, and of PPD, I freaked out when they won TI5. But this just isn't cool. They could have done a lot better.
I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But at this point, their careers have been left to rot. Incontrol was the face of EG when SC2 was big and EG's SC2 squad was big. Those days are long over. This is a really unique situation because its very rare for a player to sink so low before finally leaving a team.
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I think a lot of this negativity stems from the misrepresentation of HuK's post here on TL. Clickbait is nice and all but you're relying on lazy internet people to read the source for the actual story.
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On January 04 2017 03:29 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2017 03:19 jmbthirteen wrote:On January 04 2017 02:27 Mohdoo wrote:On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote:
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago. Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left. Because EG wouldn't be the same organization without HuK and iNcontroL. The results that HuK brought and there was a time where he was without a doubt the best foreigner. The switch from Liquid to EG rocked the scene. He is one of EG's most successful progamers ever. He absolutely deserved a tribute. And iNcontroL had been the face of EG for YEARS. He went so far beyond a player in that organization. He would travel to companies explaining progaming, explaining why its worth investing in, being that face of a franchise it needed. He went above and beyond for EG and thats why they kept him even when his results weren't anything special. Because he brought so much value to the organization. And its not even the SC2 guys. JWongg is no longer on EG. Yes, he decided to let his contract run out. But the only word from EG about it was from PPD in a short video on twitter adding it in to all the 2017 announcements. Momochi is gone. The dude won EVO in an EG jersey and nearly nothing is said. So here we have several KEY cogs of this organizations history being let go. Several guys who built up this organization to be the standard in esports just gone, with no thank you. No little tribute. No talks of what was to come with the organization. If you can't understand why HuK and iNcontroL are disappointed in how things ended then you just don't understand what these guys meant to EG. As an EG fan, its hard to see this change. I knew it was the end of SC2 there. Thats fine. I'm a big fan of the Dota team, and of PPD, I freaked out when they won TI5. But this just isn't cool. They could have done a lot better. I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But at this point, their careers have been left to rot. Incontrol was the face of EG when SC2 was big and EG's SC2 squad was big. Those days are long over. This is a really unique situation because its very rare for a player to sink so low before finally leaving a team.
This is where you are missing what else iNcontroL was doing for the organization and also that EG kept bringing these guys back because of the family that it was. Alex Garfield wasn't letting them go and kept them around because they did bring value to the organization. The biggest reason their value went down is because SC2 popularity went down.
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It's all about the $$$ $$ $$$. It's like this with every company in the real world sadly. Speaking from experience.
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Sum up Huk's post: A MASSIVE BUTTHURT
User was warned for this post
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On January 04 2017 03:40 ProBell wrote:
It's all about the $$$ $$ $$$. It's like this with every company in the real world sadly. Speaking from experience.
Of course it is, how do you think companies can survive if they don't care about money?
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the general level of assholery in this thread is pretty astounding. Feels bad man.
Those guys were important in different ways in different eras for this game and the EG team.
reading they were freeloaders who should have retired makes me feel sick.
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On January 03 2017 20:35 Heyoka wrote:Interesting read, I'm glad to hear more of the story. Show nested quote +On January 03 2017 18:47 sharkie wrote:
Wow that title is nothing like the article.. Didn't know TL joined that side of the media. "I feel like it is a shame that people such as my teammates and I, who have shown loyalty and served faithfully over the years, have been tossed aside at the end while a select few have been handed ownership of the team we all worked so hard to build"In this case I don't think it's a super unfair headline.
In Toronto we have a newspaper The Toronto Star which had an article about the Toronto Police. I don't remember the title verbatim, but it read 'Toronto Police smoke marijuana'.
Reading the article revealed it was a study on the habits of our police force, and %15 of the police force admitted to smoking marijuana. It also reported some of them were overweight, some were fit, some liked to eat doughnuts.
The entire article was about various things of the police, and only a few words were devoted to 'police smoking marijuana'.
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On January 04 2017 02:55 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote:
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago. When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuKI also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
One of the worst examples to claim for being low tier and noncompetitive? His last achievement was in 2014, getting 3 - 1'd and taking second place at a low tier tournament against Major who is also a low tier foreign player. He also has a couple of low tier tournaments from the same year. His only real crowning moments were his victories back in 2011 against MC and Naniwa, that is a long long time ago now, HuK has been irrelevant in the scene for multiple years now.
Yea he was a top foreigner in WoL but you don't get paid for being the top 6 years ago and then for the last 2 years doing practically nothing.
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lol in a previous thread where tyler says he was returning to sc2, ppl got banned cause they said he had no results and couldn't compete. as for me, I didn't even mention the lack of results, I stated it made no sense since the game was dead. many were triggered.
now here people are shitting all over huk and incontrol and no one bats an eye. lol. at least incontrol was actively involved in the community on multiple podcasts and creating lots of content. huk yeah, no longer top 3 control once he left liquid, but at least he won a dreamhack (or two?).
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On January 04 2017 04:10 Beelzebub1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2017 02:55 Saechiis wrote:On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote:
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago. When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuKI also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it. One of the worst examples to claim for being low tier and noncompetitive? His last achievement was in 2014, getting 3 - 1'd and taking second place at a low tier tournament against Major who is also a low tier foreign player. He also has a couple of low tier tournaments from the same year. His only real crowning moments were his victories back in 2011 against MC and Naniwa, that is a long long time ago now, HuK has been irrelevant in the scene for multiple years now. Yea he was a top foreigner in WoL but you don't get paid for being the top 6 years ago and then for the last 2 years doing practically nothing.
You said "always". Huk was one of the best players in the world for years, and one of the top 5 best foreigners for most of his career. It is clear that you have no idea what you are talking about if you think he was "always a low tier foreigner". He is just about the last guy that fits that description besides maybe nani or stephano. Stop.
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