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Chris "HuK" Loranger has released a statement following his departure from Evil Geniuses and theirs from StarCraft II esports. In it he looks back on his years with the organisation, expresses his gratitude but also addresses a few issues he says have come up more recently.
I no longer heard from or felt involved in EG and was being told that things could not be ‘discussed’ or ‘disclosed’.
EG had become a player-owned team in December 2016, now managed by CEO Peter "PPD" Dager, former captain of EG's Dota 2 team.
Unfortunately, this only makes it more disappointing to think about what just happened. I feel like it is a shame that people such as my teammates and I, who have shown loyalty and served faithfully over the years, have been tossed aside at the end while a select few have been handed ownership of the team we all worked so hard to build. What hurts even more is that the rest of us were not involved with what was going on or even given a voice in the process. We either found out ourselves through rumors or were told after decisions had already been made. For me EG always had the image of an organization that was fair to their players, took care of them, and had a mutually respectful and caring relationship between player and team owner. And it makes me sad to say that in a crucial point of EG’s transition, this was not the case.
Full Statement here.
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Honestly I think HuK stayed pretty objective in this. Just his perspective on things and a little insight on his feelings. No hatred or bashing, just some disappointment in the way things turned out
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Now this makes more sense to me. If an ex-captain of a Dota team was at the helm, he might not have the tact to handle things as professionally as Garfield. Not saying that's an excuse, but now I can understand why EG botched this.
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Wow that title is nothing like the article.. Didn't know TL joined that side of the media.
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On January 03 2017 18:47 sharkie wrote:
Wow that title is nothing like the article.. Didn't know TL joined that side of the media.
Need them clicks to pay Snutes wages. Do it for Snute.
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It is eerily similar to what Huk said, regarding the player(worker) owned corporation does not necessary become utopia of coop ownership but instead, the ruling players evolve from players into new owners.
Like they said, the people are ruled by capitalism and beaten on the head with its name, but would they be happier if the stick is renamed to "the glorious people's" stick? Substituting one benevolent tyranny for a mere illusion of freedom is one of those ageless thing.
Good luck Huk.
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He spends all but the last paragraph shitting on the EG ownership but fails to recognize his value to the team has regressed to a point where he cannot make a living on sc2 anymore. Not even the koreans can these days, there is no point slandering EG over sour grapes when they have to move forward as an organization.
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What an ungrateful brat
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On January 03 2017 19:01 SKN1995 wrote:
What an ungrateful brat
you didn't read the article did you?
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On January 03 2017 19:15 Penev wrote:you didn't read the article did you?
just so happens that I did - what makes you presume I did not?
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On January 03 2017 18:54 Terranist wrote:
He spends all but the last paragraph shitting on the EG ownership but fails to recognize his value to the team has regressed to a point where he cannot make a living on sc2 anymore. Not even the koreans can these days, there is no point slandering EG over sour grapes when they have to move forward as an organization.
From what I read, it's less the decision itself that he seems to have an issue with and more of the decision making process. Instead of informing him about what was going, he was cut out of the talks until the end.
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On January 03 2017 18:54 Terranist wrote:
He spends all but the last paragraph shitting on the EG ownership but fails to recognize his value to the team has regressed to a point where he cannot make a living on sc2 anymore. Not even the koreans can these days, there is no point slandering EG over sour grapes when they have to move forward as an organization.
Sometimes I read an article and I'm like, wow, he really went the distance in trying to present a fair personal account of EG's transition from Alex Garfield to a player-owned organisation. And then there's the comments.
In a world where a purring kitten playfully rolling on its back paws at a little bell AND ITS FUCKING BRUTAL SAVAGE SLANDER OMG DOES THAT KITTEN NOT REALISE HE HAS NO VALUE LITERALLY NOT EVEN A KOREAN KITTEN.
If I read more of these stupid posts I'm personally going to highlight all the positive notes in HuK's writeup and color code the "I was a little disappointed" negativity BOMBS for contrast so people can just read the colors.
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On January 03 2017 20:01 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2017 18:54 Terranist wrote:
He spends all but the last paragraph shitting on the EG ownership but fails to recognize his value to the team has regressed to a point where he cannot make a living on sc2 anymore. Not even the koreans can these days, there is no point slandering EG over sour grapes when they have to move forward as an organization. Sometimes I read an article and I'm like, wow, he really went the distance in trying to present a fair personal account of EG's transition from Alex Garfield to a player-owned organisation. And then there's the comments. In a world where a purring kitten playfully rolling on its back paws at a little bell AND ITS FUCKING BRUTAL SAVAGE SLANDER OMG DOES THAT KITTEN NOT REALISE HE HAS NO VALUE LITERALLY NOT EVEN A KOREAN KITTEN. If I read more of these stupid posts I'm personally going to highlight all the positive notes in HuK's writeup and color code the "I was a little disappointed" negativity BOMBS for contrast so people can just read the colors.
Yeah I actually got sick of all the EG love in Huk's post and here I read people saying he is ungrateful or shitting on EG?
loool
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On January 03 2017 19:38 neobowman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2017 18:54 Terranist wrote:
He spends all but the last paragraph shitting on the EG ownership but fails to recognize his value to the team has regressed to a point where he cannot make a living on sc2 anymore. Not even the koreans can these days, there is no point slandering EG over sour grapes when they have to move forward as an organization. From what I read, it's less the decision itself that he seems to have an issue with and more of the decision making process. Instead of informing him about what was going, he was cut out of the talks until the end.
That may be true but he has to know EG is a business and being comfy with the previous ownership is not a direct entitlement with the new ownership.
Over the years a lot of pro gamers have grown used to some team owners taking advantage of them and you would think that with player owned organizations things would be different.
Passive aggressive statements like these paint HuK in a very poor light and I can understand why EG would sidestep him entirely. HuK's blogpost is littered with them. He was a great player in 2010-2012 and lived a half decade in a situation far superior to any other progamer at the time but a 27 year old ex-starcraft progamer not fitting for the EG brand in 2017.
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Huk was on EG basically from the start, same with iNcontrol.
They were loyal through all those years and then when decisions on the future were made they were not involved or at least informed until after all was decided.
hell of course Huk can be a little pissed/disappointed
I'd also expect better treatment from my employer if I was in Huk's shoes.
It's not him being ungrateful but EG managing it very poorly
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Whoever says that he is ungrateful did not read that article or just nitpicked the words like "tossed aside" "don't agree"
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Katowice25012 Posts
Interesting read, I'm glad to hear more of the story.
On January 03 2017 18:47 sharkie wrote:
Wow that title is nothing like the article.. Didn't know TL joined that side of the media.
"I feel like it is a shame that people such as my teammates and I, who have shown loyalty and served faithfully over the years, have been tossed aside at the end while a select few have been handed ownership of the team we all worked so hard to build"
In this case I don't think it's a super unfair headline.
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When did EG become player-owned? Last I heard they were bought by Twitch/Amazon.
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Neither particularly surprising or sad. Still this shows what a great team EG was back in the days.
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