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prabuty
Profile Joined October 2016
Poland26 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 09:38:43
January 04 2017 09:21 GMT
#101
It looks like in a long-term perspective Huk would be much better off if he'd stayed with TL, but I don't really know what else a retired SC2 pro player who doesn't even play the game anymore may expect from a business-oriented organization like EG. Staying on EG and being some sort of a celebrity with a monthly salary would be nice I guess... On a more positive note though I'd say Huk is still young and potent so there is still a lot for him to achieve in e-sport.
Cool C
Profile Joined November 2011
United States69 Posts
January 04 2017 09:29 GMT
#102
Fuck em HuK, You've been a boss always in my heart. Keep it moving! Hakunamahtata!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7KD6L23MUQ
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44260 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 14:38:10
January 04 2017 11:09 GMT
#103
On January 04 2017 10:51 Beelzebub1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2017 04:44 207aicila wrote:
On January 04 2017 04:10 Beelzebub1 wrote:
On January 04 2017 02:55 Saechiis wrote:
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote:
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.

On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.

Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.


When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK

I also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.


One of the worst examples to claim for being low tier and noncompetitive? His last achievement was in 2014, getting 3 - 1'd and taking second place at a low tier tournament against Major who is also a low tier foreign player. He also has a couple of low tier tournaments from the same year. His only real crowning moments were his victories back in 2011 against MC and Naniwa, that is a long long time ago now, HuK has been irrelevant in the scene for multiple years now.

Yea he was a top foreigner in WoL but you don't get paid for being the top 6 years ago and then for the last 2 years doing practically nothing.




I mean you literally said, word for word, "he was always a low tier foreigner" and now you're backtracking to say "yea he was a top foreigner in WoL"? (which at least is factually true)

Got a brainy one on our hands.


He was always low tier just by being a foreigner alone, what foreigners haven't been low tier players besides the greats like Nerchio, Stephano, Snute, Naniwa, Mana? I mean sure theres a few who had relative success vs. high tier players like the Koreans or the semi Koreans like Violet/Polt besides them but that's pretty much it and HuK isnt one of him. If Koreans destroy you on the regular your low tier, even if your top tier among the low tier people, your still low.

Apologies for being so literal, HuK was solid for 2 years of his career then became kind of a back of the scenes kinda guy, stopped streaming, stopped making appearances, piss off with your sarcasm chump.


HuK actually is one of the foreigner greats, and his GSL success alone puts him as a top tier foreigner in his prime, not to mention his additional success/ wins at other circuits like MLG. I don't think you're giving enough credit to the GSL, nor do I think you're thinking about how great he was on TL/ EG back in 2010-2012 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK/Results).
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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 12:06:22
January 04 2017 12:04 GMT
#104
On January 04 2017 09:20 G5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2017 07:27 ZeromuS wrote:
On January 04 2017 06:02 G5 wrote:
Huk,

Let me quote iNcontroL during my leave of EG. He said to me (paraphrasing), "Eric, we are gamers. We play a video game. We don't deserve that fucking much and should be happy with what we get".

I was told this over probably 1 / 10,000th of what you ended up getting and I agree with him.

When I read your statement (and I read it all), I can't help but come to the understanding that you think you deserve more than what you got when I see it as the complete opposite. EG was overly fair to you including during this transition.

They kept you around much longer than nearly every other team would and paid you higher than most other teams would. The fact that they didn't keep you in the loop when they were planning on disbanding your game and removing you from the team shouldn't shock you. It's a standard business practice and EG is a business, not a family. You were an asset to that business and as a player for a game they no longer support as the game is not financially viable enough to their sponsors or them, you are useless to them. That's how it goes.

Good luck learning a new game or learning new skills to propel you into your next job.


As a side note G5, I feel like the least they could have done for these players was to make a more respectful public statement than what they did (and I mean ALL the players).

It really doesn't take too much show a little more respect especially when eSport companies have actually professionalized far more over the years.

The one thing that gets me personally is how EG went from being one of the most professional organizations, with some of the best PR out there to where they are today.

It feels like they've really fallen off in terms of overall quality. I don't care that they make business decisions - they've always had to make them. The fact is that EG used to make the decisions and communicate them so much more effectively and professionally than they are now.


Let me just point out that when I was on EG, they would land new sponsors like MSI Computers and various others and put out big press releases and state how all the players were getting free gaming laptops from their new sponsors and stuff like that and never give them to us. Every time we would see that we'd get excited and ask when we were getting whatever it was and they'd just tell us it was a PR stunt and if we said anything bad about EG they'd sue us as our contract states we can't say anything bad about EG. That was why I left and I wouldn't call that professional communication to the players or the public.

In fact, I asked to be released from the team, they agreed, so they removed me from the roster, said publicly they were parting ways with me, then kept me on contract without telling me. I had to find that out by other team managers whom were interested in signing me because EG directly contacted those team managers and threatened to sue them if they signed me. They've never been too "professional" communicating in my experience.


WOW.

Had no idea things were like that, I thought EG was a really respectable team treating their players in the nicest ways... sort of a role model as far as teams are concerned
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15679 Posts
January 04 2017 16:25 GMT
#105
On January 04 2017 21:04 xtorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2017 09:20 G5 wrote:
On January 04 2017 07:27 ZeromuS wrote:
On January 04 2017 06:02 G5 wrote:
Huk,

Let me quote iNcontroL during my leave of EG. He said to me (paraphrasing), "Eric, we are gamers. We play a video game. We don't deserve that fucking much and should be happy with what we get".

I was told this over probably 1 / 10,000th of what you ended up getting and I agree with him.

When I read your statement (and I read it all), I can't help but come to the understanding that you think you deserve more than what you got when I see it as the complete opposite. EG was overly fair to you including during this transition.

They kept you around much longer than nearly every other team would and paid you higher than most other teams would. The fact that they didn't keep you in the loop when they were planning on disbanding your game and removing you from the team shouldn't shock you. It's a standard business practice and EG is a business, not a family. You were an asset to that business and as a player for a game they no longer support as the game is not financially viable enough to their sponsors or them, you are useless to them. That's how it goes.

Good luck learning a new game or learning new skills to propel you into your next job.


As a side note G5, I feel like the least they could have done for these players was to make a more respectful public statement than what they did (and I mean ALL the players).

It really doesn't take too much show a little more respect especially when eSport companies have actually professionalized far more over the years.

The one thing that gets me personally is how EG went from being one of the most professional organizations, with some of the best PR out there to where they are today.

It feels like they've really fallen off in terms of overall quality. I don't care that they make business decisions - they've always had to make them. The fact is that EG used to make the decisions and communicate them so much more effectively and professionally than they are now.


Let me just point out that when I was on EG, they would land new sponsors like MSI Computers and various others and put out big press releases and state how all the players were getting free gaming laptops from their new sponsors and stuff like that and never give them to us. Every time we would see that we'd get excited and ask when we were getting whatever it was and they'd just tell us it was a PR stunt and if we said anything bad about EG they'd sue us as our contract states we can't say anything bad about EG. That was why I left and I wouldn't call that professional communication to the players or the public.

In fact, I asked to be released from the team, they agreed, so they removed me from the roster, said publicly they were parting ways with me, then kept me on contract without telling me. I had to find that out by other team managers whom were interested in signing me because EG directly contacted those team managers and threatened to sue them if they signed me. They've never been too "professional" communicating in my experience.


WOW.

Had no idea things were like that, I thought EG was a really respectable team treating their players in the nicest ways... sort of a role model as far as teams are concerned


Rule of thumb seems to be: Are they an esports team? If yes, they have done very shady, anti-employee things at some point during their existence.
watermouse588
Profile Joined January 2017
14 Posts
January 04 2017 16:50 GMT
#106
Are they an esports team? YES. But moreover are they a business? YES
So they run it like a business. When something becomes worthless, as a business, that thing must be cut off or in this case lay off.
Huk has been irrelevant for a long time, yet they still keep him around and pay him (due to contract). Now his contract over, they are not renewing it. It simple business decision. Not sure why Huk and InControl whining about.
Blizzkrieg
Profile Joined March 2014
95 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 17:19:06
January 04 2017 17:16 GMT
#107
Sooooo....

Dude got fired? Happens everyday. Most employers don't exactly keep you up to speed on situations like that...

Imagine your boss approaching you and saying "yeah so we're in talks about whether or not we should keep you... you'll find out 2 weeks from now, good luck!" In most cases like that, I assume the employee would just up and leave right there unless they really needed the money. I know this case is a bit different, because he was getting paid to play a game and probably didn't want to give that up, but the point still remains that EG is a business and they simply made a business decision.

No love lost as far as Huk, though. He's a great player, seems like a sensible guy... it's just too bad he got the short end of the stick. And yeah, EG could've handled it better... but with hindsight you can say that about damn near any occurance in life.
Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
January 04 2017 17:32 GMT
#108
On January 03 2017 21:25 xTJx wrote:
To be fair, EG's SC2 division survived way longer than expected, in this way they helped him a lot.

Basically this. I don't know why anyone's surprised. HuK no longer performed well starting 2013 onwards. Considering EG kept him for 3 years afterwards during which he had no results is actually generous of EG imo.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
JackONeill
Profile Joined September 2013
861 Posts
January 04 2017 18:14 GMT
#109
If no one said it before :

so Huk is a pro that got tossed aside? A pro-tossed aside?
t3tsubo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada682 Posts
January 04 2017 18:21 GMT
#110
Ayyy well the EchoFox announcement explains why Momochi and JWong left, they probably got offered a fat contract to switch.
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 04 2017 18:41 GMT
#111
On January 05 2017 03:14 JackONeill wrote:
If no one said it before :

so Huk is a pro that got tossed aside? A pro-tossed aside?

Oh that pun was running through my brain since I read the title. I was just too lazy to post it.

Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
January 04 2017 19:49 GMT
#112
On January 05 2017 03:21 t3tsubo wrote:
Ayyy well the EchoFox announcement explains why Momochi and JWong left, they probably got offered a fat contract to switch.


Those are people that saw the end of the road and made other plans. Huk is just being Huk about this. Always the drama queen.
There's no S in KT. :P
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9376 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 19:58:46
January 04 2017 19:56 GMT
#113
What the hell does Huk mean by showing loyalty to EG? He was on the team because they paid the biggest buck. Did Huk show loyalty to TL when he left EG for that team?

Why the hell should a business keep a member of the team who is no longer valuable to the organization. What actual "work" did he even do? He was never a particularly big streamer so he didn't bring in that much exposure. Just seemed like he wanted to be able to to be a decent gamer in Sc2 and OW while being support by EG.

Makes him come out as a very self entitled person.
Cauld
Profile Joined February 2010
United States350 Posts
January 04 2017 19:57 GMT
#114
I don't think anyone's surprised by the decision, they're surprised by how poorly EG handled it.
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
January 04 2017 20:08 GMT
#115
I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.

Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.

On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15679 Posts
January 04 2017 21:19 GMT
#116
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote:
I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.

Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.

On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.


Hit the nail on the head. It is interesting how from a production standpoint, it is in their interest to try to elevate players and make everything seem like a huge deal. They try to make an image for people like HuK etc for the sake of viewers. And then the players themselves start to believe the stuff that is just being said to get more ad revenue. Inc and HuK being some special "pillars" or whatever had a purpose and that purpose is long gone.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
January 04 2017 21:52 GMT
#117
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote:
I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.

Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.

On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.
Theres a reason players often didnt like to speak to fans, they'd get swarmed by dozens and dozens and be there for ages. In tandem with that they were playing on very odd schedules where they'd be jet lagged, playing from 7am to 2 am the next day. They're human they dont have to grovel at your feet, and sometimes, even asking a stranger for a hello is asking a lot.
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HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
January 04 2017 22:21 GMT
#118
On January 05 2017 06:52 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote:
I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.

Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.

On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.
Theres a reason players often didnt like to speak to fans, they'd get swarmed by dozens and dozens and be there for ages. In tandem with that they were playing on very odd schedules where they'd be jet lagged, playing from 7am to 2 am the next day. They're human they dont have to grovel at your feet, and sometimes, even asking a stranger for a hello is asking a lot.


That is fine, but compared to the Koreans (who have all those same excuses) the foreigners were a lot more standoffish. Just an observation.
JackONeill
Profile Joined September 2013
861 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-04 23:31:54
January 04 2017 22:35 GMT
#119
On January 05 2017 06:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote:
I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.

Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.

On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.


Hit the nail on the head. It is interesting how from a production standpoint, it is in their interest to try to elevate players and make everything seem like a huge deal. They try to make an image for people like HuK etc for the sake of viewers. And then the players themselves start to believe the stuff that is just being said to get more ad revenue. Inc and HuK being some special "pillars" or whatever had a purpose and that purpose is long gone.


I don't think Huk won a single thing ("thing", being extremely broad there) after the very early stages of WOL. I remember that when i really started to watch SC2 frequently in 2011 that casters where already saying that Huk a player that was fading away, and ressorted to frequent cheeses and allins to try and sustain his results.
Overall during the entire span of HOTS Huk was pretty much absent or completely irrelevant.

I think it's good that SC2 teams seem to keep players for a long time even if they don't perform extremely well don't get me wrong. But Huk was extremely hyped, while showing very poor results for at least the last 3 years. Feel free to correct me though.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
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January 04 2017 23:30 GMT
#120
On January 05 2017 07:35 JackONeill wrote:
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On January 05 2017 06:19 Mohdoo wrote:
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote:
I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.

Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.

On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.


Hit the nail on the head. It is interesting how from a production standpoint, it is in their interest to try to elevate players and make everything seem like a huge deal. They try to make an image for people like HuK etc for the sake of viewers. And then the players themselves start to believe the stuff that is just being said to get more ad revenue. Inc and HuK being some special "pillars" or whatever had a purpose and that purpose is long gone.


I don't think Huk won a single thing ("thing", being extremely broad there) after the very early stages of WOL. I remember that when i really started to watch SC2 frequently in 2011 that casters where already saying that Huk a player that was fading away, and ressorted to frequent cheeses and allins to try and sustain his results.
Overall during the entire span of HOTS Huk was pretty much absent or completely irrelevant.

I think it's good that SC2 teams seem to keep players for a long time even if they don't perform extremely well don't get me wrong. But Huk was extremely hyped, showing very poor results for at least the last 3 years. Feel free to correct me though.


he won a redbull archon tourney with MC during LOTV beta.

that is something lol.
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