EPTHuK on EG departure: "Tossed aside" - Page 6
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prabuty
Poland26 Posts
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Cool C
United States69 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45267 Posts
On January 04 2017 10:51 Beelzebub1 wrote: He was always low tier just by being a foreigner alone, what foreigners haven't been low tier players besides the greats like Nerchio, Stephano, Snute, Naniwa, Mana? I mean sure theres a few who had relative success vs. high tier players like the Koreans or the semi Koreans like Violet/Polt besides them but that's pretty much it and HuK isnt one of him. If Koreans destroy you on the regular your low tier, even if your top tier among the low tier people, your still low. Apologies for being so literal, HuK was solid for 2 years of his career then became kind of a back of the scenes kinda guy, stopped streaming, stopped making appearances, piss off with your sarcasm chump. HuK actually is one of the foreigner greats, and his GSL success alone puts him as a top tier foreigner in his prime, not to mention his additional success/ wins at other circuits like MLG. I don't think you're giving enough credit to the GSL, nor do I think you're thinking about how great he was on TL/ EG back in 2010-2012 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK/Results). | ||
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xtorn
4060 Posts
On January 04 2017 09:20 G5 wrote: Let me just point out that when I was on EG, they would land new sponsors like MSI Computers and various others and put out big press releases and state how all the players were getting free gaming laptops from their new sponsors and stuff like that and never give them to us. Every time we would see that we'd get excited and ask when we were getting whatever it was and they'd just tell us it was a PR stunt and if we said anything bad about EG they'd sue us as our contract states we can't say anything bad about EG. That was why I left and I wouldn't call that professional communication to the players or the public. In fact, I asked to be released from the team, they agreed, so they removed me from the roster, said publicly they were parting ways with me, then kept me on contract without telling me. I had to find that out by other team managers whom were interested in signing me because EG directly contacted those team managers and threatened to sue them if they signed me. They've never been too "professional" communicating in my experience. WOW. Had no idea things were like that, I thought EG was a really respectable team treating their players in the nicest ways... sort of a role model as far as teams are concerned | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15736 Posts
On January 04 2017 21:04 xtorn wrote: WOW. Had no idea things were like that, I thought EG was a really respectable team treating their players in the nicest ways... sort of a role model as far as teams are concerned Rule of thumb seems to be: Are they an esports team? If yes, they have done very shady, anti-employee things at some point during their existence. | ||
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watermouse588
14 Posts
So they run it like a business. When something becomes worthless, as a business, that thing must be cut off or in this case lay off. Huk has been irrelevant for a long time, yet they still keep him around and pay him (due to contract). Now his contract over, they are not renewing it. It simple business decision. Not sure why Huk and InControl whining about. | ||
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Blizzkrieg
95 Posts
Dude got fired? Happens everyday. Most employers don't exactly keep you up to speed on situations like that... Imagine your boss approaching you and saying "yeah so we're in talks about whether or not we should keep you... you'll find out 2 weeks from now, good luck!" In most cases like that, I assume the employee would just up and leave right there unless they really needed the money. I know this case is a bit different, because he was getting paid to play a game and probably didn't want to give that up, but the point still remains that EG is a business and they simply made a business decision. No love lost as far as Huk, though. He's a great player, seems like a sensible guy... it's just too bad he got the short end of the stick. And yeah, EG could've handled it better... but with hindsight you can say that about damn near any occurance in life. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On January 03 2017 21:25 xTJx wrote: To be fair, EG's SC2 division survived way longer than expected, in this way they helped him a lot. Basically this. I don't know why anyone's surprised. HuK no longer performed well starting 2013 onwards. Considering EG kept him for 3 years afterwards during which he had no results is actually generous of EG imo. | ||
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JackONeill
861 Posts
so Huk is a pro that got tossed aside? A pro-tossed aside? | ||
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t3tsubo
Canada682 Posts
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On January 05 2017 03:14 JackONeill wrote: If no one said it before : so Huk is a pro that got tossed aside? A pro-tossed aside? Oh that pun was running through my brain since I read the title. I was just too lazy to post it.  | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On January 05 2017 03:21 t3tsubo wrote: Ayyy well the EchoFox announcement explains why Momochi and JWong left, they probably got offered a fat contract to switch. Those are people that saw the end of the road and made other plans. Huk is just being Huk about this. Always the drama queen. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9421 Posts
Why the hell should a business keep a member of the team who is no longer valuable to the organization. What actual "work" did he even do? He was never a particularly big streamer so he didn't bring in that much exposure. Just seemed like he wanted to be able to to be a decent gamer in Sc2 and OW while being support by EG. Makes him come out as a very self entitled person. | ||
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Cauld
United States350 Posts
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene. On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15736 Posts
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote: I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them. Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene. On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them. Hit the nail on the head. It is interesting how from a production standpoint, it is in their interest to try to elevate players and make everything seem like a huge deal. They try to make an image for people like HuK etc for the sake of viewers. And then the players themselves start to believe the stuff that is just being said to get more ad revenue. Inc and HuK being some special "pillars" or whatever had a purpose and that purpose is long gone. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote: Theres a reason players often didnt like to speak to fans, they'd get swarmed by dozens and dozens and be there for ages. In tandem with that they were playing on very odd schedules where they'd be jet lagged, playing from 7am to 2 am the next day. They're human they dont have to grovel at your feet, and sometimes, even asking a stranger for a hello is asking a lot.I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them. Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene. On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them. | ||
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
On January 05 2017 06:52 Dazed_Spy wrote: Theres a reason players often didnt like to speak to fans, they'd get swarmed by dozens and dozens and be there for ages. In tandem with that they were playing on very odd schedules where they'd be jet lagged, playing from 7am to 2 am the next day. They're human they dont have to grovel at your feet, and sometimes, even asking a stranger for a hello is asking a lot. That is fine, but compared to the Koreans (who have all those same excuses) the foreigners were a lot more standoffish. Just an observation. | ||
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JackONeill
861 Posts
On January 05 2017 06:19 Mohdoo wrote: Hit the nail on the head. It is interesting how from a production standpoint, it is in their interest to try to elevate players and make everything seem like a huge deal. They try to make an image for people like HuK etc for the sake of viewers. And then the players themselves start to believe the stuff that is just being said to get more ad revenue. Inc and HuK being some special "pillars" or whatever had a purpose and that purpose is long gone. I don't think Huk won a single thing ("thing", being extremely broad there) after the very early stages of WOL. I remember that when i really started to watch SC2 frequently in 2011 that casters where already saying that Huk a player that was fading away, and ressorted to frequent cheeses and allins to try and sustain his results. Overall during the entire span of HOTS Huk was pretty much absent or completely irrelevant. I think it's good that SC2 teams seem to keep players for a long time even if they don't perform extremely well don't get me wrong. But Huk was extremely hyped, while showing very poor results for at least the last 3 years. Feel free to correct me though. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On January 05 2017 07:35 JackONeill wrote: I don't think Huk won a single thing ("thing", being extremely broad there) after the very early stages of WOL. I remember that when i really started to watch SC2 frequently in 2011 that casters where already saying that Huk a player that was fading away, and ressorted to frequent cheeses and allins to try and sustain his results. Overall during the entire span of HOTS Huk was pretty much absent or completely irrelevant. I think it's good that SC2 teams seem to keep players for a long time even if they don't perform extremely well don't get me wrong. But Huk was extremely hyped, showing very poor results for at least the last 3 years. Feel free to correct me though. he won a redbull archon tourney with MC during LOTV beta. that is something lol. | ||
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