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Dude got fired? Happens everyday. Most employers don't exactly keep you up to speed on situations like that...
Imagine your boss approaching you and saying "yeah so we're in talks about whether or not we should keep you... you'll find out 2 weeks from now, good luck!"
Imagine barely doing any work for your organization for several years and thus not providing any real value, and when the organization finally lets you off, you complain about about they fired you after all of your "loyaltity".
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On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote:
On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.
As far as I know, iNcontroL wasn't only getting paid to practice and compete in tournaments; he provided plenty of other value with his content creation, commentary, and other peripherals. You don't know what their contracts entailed.
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It would have been nice to have a little send off of some type, but this has been a known event for a while now. All the EG marketing and behind the scenes folks work at twitch now. The team itself seems to be running really lean, so expecting much in the way of production is probably asking too much. Unless the former GGA people at twitch were going to whip something up for free which is silly to expect right now I feel like this is realistically as good as it gets.
PPD has done a fair bit of video content in the past. Vlogs, draft analysis, and the like and while they're a great look behind the curtain they've never had amazing production value. Some behind the scenes footage, having fun, some music, and him talking in his hotel room. This announcement is pretty much more of that, without a bunch of media people now what more is reasonable honestly?
How hopefully things get better in the future but when you're taking over the brand essentially starting from square one without any of the staff that existed in previous years I personally can't get upset. I'd like for them to feel things out, grow and hopefully do better in the future but this is the reality of the team now. Out of the starting blocks with a player run org things are going to be lean.
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I don't think any of the old EG players are surprised that they closed a bunch of esport divisions, they jsut feel like it was done in a very pathetic way. EG could have done it in a much more graceful way. Writing even a short article about each player would have been enough.
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Imagine barely doing any work for your organization for several years and thus not providing any real value, and when the organization finally lets you off, you complain about about they fired you after all of your "loyaltity".
LMAO. he stayed with EG, probably not due to loyalty but no teams willing to take in a freeloader with a short-man syndrome. If he had any "loyalty" he would stick with Team Liquid
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On January 05 2017 08:51 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +Dude got fired? Happens everyday. Most employers don't exactly keep you up to speed on situations like that...
Imagine your boss approaching you and saying "yeah so we're in talks about whether or not we should keep you... you'll find out 2 weeks from now, good luck!" Imagine barely doing any work for your organization for several years and thus not providing any real value, and when the organization finally lets you off, you complain about about they fired you after all of your "loyaltity".
Yeah, let's get real here. I work 8+ hours a day 5 days a week and produce high quality work on a daily basis. I get paid for the work I do. People at my job that don't produce work, or produce low quality work on a continuing basis are fired without notice, and it doesn't take years for them to get fired.
Huk got paid for sitting around on his ass in a house he didn't have to pay rent on. He hasn't produced any work in years, much less high quality or on a daily basis, hence, he gets fired. Simple, really. He made a living playing video games for 5+ years, and for over half of that time he was irrelevant and produced absolutely nothing. I'd say he had a hell of a good run and has nothing to complain about, especially when compared to the majority of other professions/employers, and even more-so when compared to other pro gamers.
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On January 05 2017 09:47 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I don't think any of the old EG players are surprised that they closed a bunch of esport divisions, they jsut feel like it was done in a very pathetic way. EG could have done it in a much more graceful way. Writing even a short article about each player would have been enough.
It seems that EG is not willing to invest even one iota of their resources in this game anymore.
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On January 05 2017 09:55 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2017 08:51 Hider wrote:Dude got fired? Happens everyday. Most employers don't exactly keep you up to speed on situations like that...
Imagine your boss approaching you and saying "yeah so we're in talks about whether or not we should keep you... you'll find out 2 weeks from now, good luck!" Imagine barely doing any work for your organization for several years and thus not providing any real value, and when the organization finally lets you off, you complain about about they fired you after all of your "loyaltity". Yeah, let's get real here. I work 8+ hours a day 5 days a week and produce high quality work on a daily basis. I get paid for the work I do. People at my job that don't produce work, or produce low quality work on a continuing basis are fired without notice, and it doesn't take years for them to get fired. Huk got paid for sitting around on his ass in a house he didn't have to pay rent on. He hasn't produced any work in years, much less high quality or on a daily basis, hence, he gets fired. Simple, really. He made a living playing video games for 5+ years, and for over half of that time he was irrelevant and produced absolutely nothing. I'd say he had a hell of a good run and has nothing to complain about, especially when compared to the majority of other professions/employers, and even more-so when compared to other pro gamers.
He hasn't been in the house for years so that part of the narrative is bunk. Underperforming or whatever? Sure I guess, though that would depend what he's making. If he's getting paid jack then doing jack is par for the course but we don't have any contract details. But he hasn't been counting stacks and laying around in a house in one of the most expensive cities on the planet on the team's dime.
On January 05 2017 09:57 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2017 09:47 mrRoflpwn wrote:
I don't think any of the old EG players are surprised that they closed a bunch of esport divisions, they jsut feel like it was done in a very pathetic way. EG could have done it in a much more graceful way. Writing even a short article about each player would have been enough. It seems that EG is not willing to invest even one iota of their resources in this game anymore.
What resources exactly? All the old EG staff works for Twitch now. Ana, Charlie, Kelby, Conrad, etc. All the media and behind the scenes folk got absorbed into Twitch. Who exactly are the resources now? Apparently PPD and Fear own the team. Fear coaches the DotA team, the DotA team has a manager Phil. Kodiak who is PPD's best friend manages the Fighting games and CoD. Who else is there? I don't even know honestly.
They're running a skeleton crew. All the DotA players are independently wealthy so they're an ecosystem unto themselves essentially. They're also by far the team's biggest asset commercially and competitively. Right now the organization is going to want to run lean. Make sure they don't need to make deals and take on sponsorships just for money, they can choose to be picky if they don't have a bloated staff that's hemorrhaging money.
I'm not aware of any media people currently. You're not going to get announcements of announcements and a bunch of video content. At least not right now. I'm sure the transition to PPD taking over is going to be rocky. He's a smart kid but this is new territory for him. There don't seem to be any resources to be spared right now even if they wanted to.
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On January 05 2017 07:21 HugoBallzak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2017 06:52 Dazed_Spy wrote:On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote:
I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.
Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.
On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them. Theres a reason players often didnt like to speak to fans, they'd get swarmed by dozens and dozens and be there for ages. In tandem with that they were playing on very odd schedules where they'd be jet lagged, playing from 7am to 2 am the next day. They're human they dont have to grovel at your feet, and sometimes, even asking a stranger for a hello is asking a lot. That is fine, but compared to the Koreans (who have all those same excuses) the foreigners were a lot more standoffish. Just an observation. Well, might of been anecdotal, but either way I wouldnt be surprised that a culture that teaches like, respect, submission, introversion and collectivism would 'suck it up' more than the individualistic culture of europe/north america, in respect to how they treat others.
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gj HuK not making this into a clown fiesta and bash them publicly. HuK's statement was pretty good imo. Also shame on EG for not backing their players up.
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Can understand the decision to let huk go but no early notification is just cruel.
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On January 04 2017 04:44 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2017 04:10 Beelzebub1 wrote:On January 04 2017 02:55 Saechiis wrote:On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote:
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago. When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuKI also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it. One of the worst examples to claim for being low tier and noncompetitive? His last achievement was in 2014, getting 3 - 1'd and taking second place at a low tier tournament against Major who is also a low tier foreign player. He also has a couple of low tier tournaments from the same year. His only real crowning moments were his victories back in 2011 against MC and Naniwa, that is a long long time ago now, HuK has been irrelevant in the scene for multiple years now. Yea he was a top foreigner in WoL but you don't get paid for being the top 6 years ago and then for the last 2 years doing practically nothing. I mean you literally said, word for word, "he was always a low tier foreigner" and now you're backtracking to say "yea he was a top foreigner in WoL"? (which at least is factually true) Got a brainy one on our hands. 
Wait a minute here.
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL
he was always a low tier foreigner
From these quotes alone, you could interprete it as if the person actually meant LOW TIER after the gsl win. Looking at the whole package of what someone says can give you more accurate info.
Something to think about before accusing someone.
Besides, abusing some strat in a new game i dont call that high tier lol
I remember idra thinking he was a terrible player even after his wins back in wol and didnt want to practice with him.
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Tossed aside? He's been getting paid to not play SC2 for months and months. They should demand their money back.
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I think the big problem according to Huk was that the new managers completely ignored other guys that weren't important to them. Being fired is fine, but I don't think Huk even got a word of it until very recently and that's not how you treat even the worst people in the company. You tell them in advance, explain the situation so that they can plan out their future well before. Even Kespa gave the indication well before; this is just a classic mistake on EG in a management perspective imo.
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On January 04 2017 03:15 castleeMg wrote:
i dont get why he made that statement with such bitterness, from what i understand EG is a business and he was hired as a SC2 progamer, which he did well at when sc2 was still somewhat big but receding in popularity. from what his teamliquid sc2 page indicates he hasn't posted results since 2014 and i know his stream wasn't bringing in huge numbers either. so he had to of known that his "free ride" with EG was going to end sometime soon but he makes it seem like they used him and left him out in the cold when i feel like it was the other way around. thats just from what i see i could be missing something and be wrong
Its about respect. No matter who you are. If you leave a company. People show respect and say good bye and good luck. Even regular worker at the factory get a small good bye party. It doesnt need to be big.
On the other side i dont believe huk has the right to complain publicly. Its between EG and Huk. If he has a problem, he has to talk to EG, not to us.
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On January 03 2017 20:14 killerm12 wrote:
Huk was on EG basically from the start, same with iNcontrol.
No. He wasn't.
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On January 05 2017 22:24 AimForTheBushes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2017 20:14 killerm12 wrote:
Huk was on EG basically from the start, same with iNcontrol.
No. He wasn't.
from the start of him following sc that is 
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incontrol did videos 6+ weeks ago explaining his position that dissolution of the SC team was imminent. how could huk not know about this?
i guess he is complaining management did not talk to him directly?
he certainly could not have been totally blindsided by this decision of EGs new management.
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On January 05 2017 09:55 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2017 08:51 Hider wrote:Dude got fired? Happens everyday. Most employers don't exactly keep you up to speed on situations like that...
Imagine your boss approaching you and saying "yeah so we're in talks about whether or not we should keep you... you'll find out 2 weeks from now, good luck!" Imagine barely doing any work for your organization for several years and thus not providing any real value, and when the organization finally lets you off, you complain about about they fired you after all of your "loyaltity". Yeah, let's get real here. I work 8+ hours a day 5 days a week and produce high quality work on a daily basis. I get paid for the work I do. People at my job that don't produce work, or produce low quality work on a continuing basis are fired without notice, and it doesn't take years for them to get fired. Huk got paid for sitting around on his ass in a house he didn't have to pay rent on. He hasn't produced any work in years, much less high quality or on a daily basis, hence, he gets fired. Simple, really. He made a living playing video games for 5+ years, and for over half of that time he was irrelevant and produced absolutely nothing. I'd say he had a hell of a good run and has nothing to complain about, especially when compared to the majority of other professions/employers, and even more-so when compared to other pro gamers.
Finally someone with some balls speaking the damn truth, thank you sir.
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Still going to follow Geoff as I love that man but I had lost interest in EG as an organisation long before this.
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