Chris "HuK" Loranger has released a statement following his departure from Evil Geniuses and theirs from StarCraft II esports. In it he looks back on his years with the organisation, expresses his gratitude but also addresses a few issues he says have come up more recently.
I no longer heard from or felt involved in EG and was being told that things could not be ‘discussed’ or ‘disclosed’.
EG had become a player-owned team in December 2016, now managed by CEO Peter "PPD" Dager, former captain of EG's Dota 2 team.
Unfortunately, this only makes it more disappointing to think about what just happened. I feel like it is a shame that people such as my teammates and I, who have shown loyalty and served faithfully over the years, have been tossed aside at the end while a select few have been handed ownership of the team we all worked so hard to build. What hurts even more is that the rest of us were not involved with what was going on or even given a voice in the process. We either found out ourselves through rumors or were told after decisions had already been made. For me EG always had the image of an organization that was fair to their players, took care of them, and had a mutually respectful and caring relationship between player and team owner. And it makes me sad to say that in a crucial point of EG’s transition, this was not the case.
Honestly I think HuK stayed pretty objective in this. Just his perspective on things and a little insight on his feelings. No hatred or bashing, just some disappointment in the way things turned out
Now this makes more sense to me. If an ex-captain of a Dota team was at the helm, he might not have the tact to handle things as professionally as Garfield. Not saying that's an excuse, but now I can understand why EG botched this.
It is eerily similar to what Huk said, regarding the player(worker) owned corporation does not necessary become utopia of coop ownership but instead, the ruling players evolve from players into new owners.
Like they said, the people are ruled by capitalism and beaten on the head with its name, but would they be happier if the stick is renamed to "the glorious people's" stick? Substituting one benevolent tyranny for a mere illusion of freedom is one of those ageless thing.
He spends all but the last paragraph shitting on the EG ownership but fails to recognize his value to the team has regressed to a point where he cannot make a living on sc2 anymore. Not even the koreans can these days, there is no point slandering EG over sour grapes when they have to move forward as an organization.
On January 03 2017 18:54 Terranist wrote: He spends all but the last paragraph shitting on the EG ownership but fails to recognize his value to the team has regressed to a point where he cannot make a living on sc2 anymore. Not even the koreans can these days, there is no point slandering EG over sour grapes when they have to move forward as an organization.
From what I read, it's less the decision itself that he seems to have an issue with and more of the decision making process. Instead of informing him about what was going, he was cut out of the talks until the end.
On January 03 2017 18:54 Terranist wrote: He spends all but the last paragraph shitting on the EG ownership but fails to recognize his value to the team has regressed to a point where he cannot make a living on sc2 anymore. Not even the koreans can these days, there is no point slandering EG over sour grapes when they have to move forward as an organization.
Sometimes I read an article and I'm like, wow, he really went the distance in trying to present a fair personal account of EG's transition from Alex Garfield to a player-owned organisation. And then there's the comments.
In a world where a purring kitten playfully rolling on its back paws at a little bell AND ITS FUCKING BRUTAL SAVAGE SLANDER OMG DOES THAT KITTEN NOT REALISE HE HAS NO VALUE LITERALLY NOT EVEN A KOREAN KITTEN.
If I read more of these stupid posts I'm personally going to highlight all the positive notes in HuK's writeup and color code the "I was a little disappointed" negativity BOMBS for contrast so people can just read the colors.
On January 03 2017 18:54 Terranist wrote: He spends all but the last paragraph shitting on the EG ownership but fails to recognize his value to the team has regressed to a point where he cannot make a living on sc2 anymore. Not even the koreans can these days, there is no point slandering EG over sour grapes when they have to move forward as an organization.
Sometimes I read an article and I'm like, wow, he really went the distance in trying to present a fair personal account of EG's transition from Alex Garfield to a player-owned organisation. And then there's the comments.
In a world where a purring kitten playfully rolling on its back paws at a little bell AND ITS FUCKING BRUTAL SAVAGE SLANDER OMG DOES THAT KITTEN NOT REALISE HE HAS NO VALUE LITERALLY NOT EVEN A KOREAN KITTEN.
If I read more of these stupid posts I'm personally going to highlight all the positive notes in HuK's writeup and color code the "I was a little disappointed" negativity BOMBS for contrast so people can just read the colors.
Yeah I actually got sick of all the EG love in Huk's post and here I read people saying he is ungrateful or shitting on EG?
On January 03 2017 18:54 Terranist wrote: He spends all but the last paragraph shitting on the EG ownership but fails to recognize his value to the team has regressed to a point where he cannot make a living on sc2 anymore. Not even the koreans can these days, there is no point slandering EG over sour grapes when they have to move forward as an organization.
From what I read, it's less the decision itself that he seems to have an issue with and more of the decision making process. Instead of informing him about what was going, he was cut out of the talks until the end.
That may be true but he has to know EG is a business and being comfy with the previous ownership is not a direct entitlement with the new ownership.
Over the years a lot of pro gamers have grown used to some team owners taking advantage of them and you would think that with player owned organizations things would be different.
Passive aggressive statements like these paint HuK in a very poor light and I can understand why EG would sidestep him entirely. HuK's blogpost is littered with them. He was a great player in 2010-2012 and lived a half decade in a situation far superior to any other progamer at the time but a 27 year old ex-starcraft progamer not fitting for the EG brand in 2017.
Huk was on EG basically from the start, same with iNcontrol. They were loyal through all those years and then when decisions on the future were made they were not involved or at least informed until after all was decided.
hell of course Huk can be a little pissed/disappointed I'd also expect better treatment from my employer if I was in Huk's shoes. It's not him being ungrateful but EG managing it very poorly
Interesting read, I'm glad to hear more of the story.
On January 03 2017 18:47 sharkie wrote: Wow that title is nothing like the article.. Didn't know TL joined that side of the media.
"I feel like it is a shame that people such as my teammates and I, who have shown loyalty and served faithfully over the years, have been tossed aside at the end while a select few have been handed ownership of the team we all worked so hard to build"
In this case I don't think it's a super unfair headline.
On January 03 2017 18:47 sharkie wrote: Wow that title is nothing like the article.. Didn't know TL joined that side of the media.
"I feel like it is a shame that people such as my teammates and I, who have shown loyalty and served faithfully over the years, have been tossed aside at the end while a select few have been handed ownership of the team we all worked so hard to build"
In this case I don't think it's a super unfair headline.
he pretty much disappeared from the sc2 scene. at least incontrol still streamed and casted events and stayed relevant in the community. i don't think eg has an overwatch squad. if they did he might still be on the team as a caster.
I really don't understand how a guy who was collecting paychecks despite not even competing anymore for years can be salty about his contract expiring and not being renewed. I mean all these years and he has only managed 47k twitter followers?
On January 03 2017 23:49 HugoBallzak wrote: I really don't understand how a guy who was collecting paychecks despite not even competing anymore for years can be salty about his contract expiring and not being renewed. I mean all these years and he has only managed 47k twitter followers?
1. How do you know he's getting payed anything significant during periods of inactivity? 2. He's not salty about not getting renewed, he's upset about the way they went about it. 3. 47k twitter followers is quite a lot.
On January 03 2017 23:49 HugoBallzak wrote: I really don't understand how a guy who was collecting paychecks despite not even competing anymore for years can be salty about his contract expiring and not being renewed. I mean all these years and he has only managed 47k twitter followers?
1. How do you know he's getting payed anything significant during periods of inactivity?
Well, he had a contract, right? I don't think there could be any special conditions for periods of inactivity or smth. You ethier fulfill the terms and conditions of a contract and get payed for that, or get it terminated, i guess.
On January 03 2017 18:47 sharkie wrote: Wow that title is nothing like the article.. Didn't know TL joined that side of the media.
"I feel like it is a shame that people such as my teammates and I, who have shown loyalty and served faithfully over the years, have been tossed aside at the end while a select few have been handed ownership of the team we all worked so hard to build"
In this case I don't think it's a super unfair headline.
Very sad, but like most early WOL pro's slipped away over time - would be great to see a smaller indie team support him in sc2 but it seems that overwatch is his new passion (which is a huge shame).
I love huk for ever for hallucinated collusi, but for the last year+ he hasn't really done anything to justify a salary. I mean hes maybe casted some overwatch, but thats the most notable thing hes done in awhile.
HuK sounds pretty damn entitled. EG keeping him and the remainder of the sc2 "team" around as long as they did could be framed as a donation. Sc2 viewership in the toilet and HuK years away from being competitively relevant certainly leaves EG with very little reason to keep him around. I imagine his salary is a lot less than before, but it was still weird.
On January 03 2017 23:49 HugoBallzak wrote: I really don't understand how a guy who was collecting paychecks despite not even competing anymore for years can be salty about his contract expiring and not being renewed. I mean all these years and he has only managed 47k twitter followers?
1. How do you know he's getting payed anything significant during periods of inactivity? 2. He's not salty about not getting renewed, he's upset about the way they went about it. 3. 47k twitter followers is quite a lot.
47k twitter followers is not exactly the basis for a career.
On January 03 2017 20:35 Heyoka wrote: Interesting read, I'm glad to hear more of the story.
On January 03 2017 18:47 sharkie wrote: Wow that title is nothing like the article.. Didn't know TL joined that side of the media.
"I feel like it is a shame that people such as my teammates and I, who have shown loyalty and served faithfully over the years, have been tossed aside at the end while a select few have been handed ownership of the team we all worked so hard to build"
In this case I don't think it's a super unfair headline.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
I have not heard anything about HuK recently. EG ending SC2-Division is not very surprising. I am interested if they got long term contracts that now get "suddenly" terminated by disbanding the team, or that they sat on ending contracts. I guess with the effort (and money) put to the Teamhouse and the new level of advertisement EG took the chance of SC2 and became the second best foreign team.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
I am pretty sure Incontrol talked about working on the organization side of EG and he was doing some sponsoring work with his casting. And most of all he was the face of Starcraft EG for many year. Honestly these guys probably deserve something more then just a shitty twitter video, same for Justin or Momochi. If Snute and TLO left TL tomorrow I would hope they got something more.
Plus Incontrol made many videos thanking EG and saying he is ok with quitting.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
Basically this. They probably could have asked out of their contracts at any time but instead chose to ride them out to the very end despite their game of choice becoming increasingly irrelevant. Its just not really a big deal anymore. People pretty much accepted that EG was done in sc2 and now its just 'official'.
Also it is interesting. Doing some basic google research I see that twitch basically hired most of the GGA staff directly following the acquisition. I see that incontrol's wife is employed by twitch but why not incontrol as well? Guess he didn't get offered a job he wanted and probably made the decision to keep his career as a public figure instead even if it meant turning a twitch job down. Or maybe he didn't get offered one? Maybe that is why Alex left twitch? He felt betrayed that some of his staff were being cut out?
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK
I also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
i dont get why he made that statement with such bitterness, from what i understand EG is a business and he was hired as a SC2 progamer, which he did well at when sc2 was still somewhat big but receding in popularity. from what his teamliquid sc2 page indicates he hasn't posted results since 2014 and i know his stream wasn't bringing in huge numbers either. so he had to of known that his "free ride" with EG was going to end sometime soon but he makes it seem like they used him and left him out in the cold when i feel like it was the other way around. thats just from what i see i could be missing something and be wrong
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK
I also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
To be fair, he was one of the best foreigners when he got signed... but quickly fell off the map for the next 5 years.
Huk hasnt been relevant in the SC2 scene competitively since WoL in terms of results.
The whole thing he wrote, I think he does a good job of projecting a "Im not unhappy with the decision, I am unhappy with how the decision was made." But a handful of times he contradicts himself and flat out says, that he thinks its unfair that the team was handed over to the Dota2 team, and the other players weren't given an option/vote regarding it.
But at the same time, he doesnt mention anywhere how he has been sponsored/salaried for years while contributing almost nothing to his team. Same with Incontrol. I mean i am a huge fan of Geoff and have followed him since even BW, but for the last couple years of his contract... it was basically charity. He wasnt competing, he wasn't even streaming all that much or consistently. He was doing hosting, which is great, I think he makes a great SC2 event host as he has always been one of the more charismatic players, but at the same time he should have had the courtesy to stop accepting the EG charity and stand on his own two feet since he was no longer contributing anything to the EG brand.
EG had how many players who werent even competing? Just accepting money while playing enough that someone wouldnt say they "werent even trying" but they also werent ever playing/practising enough to be relevant competitively.
TSM for instance has people flying their banner who dont compete necessarily, but they are top streamers who bring in 5-30,000 viewers on their streams, they are still contributing to the TSM brand.
The EG players were bringing in what? 1-500 viewers? While most likely coasting on contracts they made back when they first signed?
Businesses dont run on charity, they can't operate on the premise of "well he was really popular and important 5 years ago, and we are close friends, so well just keep paying him out of respect."
As much as i loved the EG Sc2 personalities, so many of them were just coasting off contracts they were given years ago, while not doing anything on their end to provide some return for their "team"
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
Because EG wouldn't be the same organization without HuK and iNcontroL. The results that HuK brought and there was a time where he was without a doubt the best foreigner. The switch from Liquid to EG rocked the scene. He is one of EG's most successful progamers ever. He absolutely deserved a tribute.
And iNcontroL had been the face of EG for YEARS. He went so far beyond a player in that organization. He would travel to companies explaining progaming, explaining why its worth investing in, being that face of a franchise it needed. He went above and beyond for EG and thats why they kept him even when his results weren't anything special. Because he brought so much value to the organization.
And its not even the SC2 guys. JWongg is no longer on EG. Yes, he decided to let his contract run out. But the only word from EG about it was from PPD in a short video on twitter adding it in to all the 2017 announcements. Momochi is gone. The dude won EVO in an EG jersey and nearly nothing is said.
So here we have several KEY cogs of this organizations history being let go. Several guys who built up this organization to be the standard in esports just gone, with no thank you. No little tribute. No talks of what was to come with the organization. If you can't understand why HuK and iNcontroL are disappointed in how things ended then you just don't understand what these guys meant to EG.
As an EG fan, its hard to see this change. I knew it was the end of SC2 there. Thats fine. I'm a big fan of the Dota team, and of PPD, I freaked out when they won TI5. But this just isn't cool. They could have done a lot better.
I was never a fan of EG, or HuK but you have to feel for people in these situations. It's especially hard when EG was seemingly built from a "family" structure, to a more rigid corporate structure where talent is just a number on a page. You see it all the time in companies that grow up and lose the culture that grew it to the point where it is now and I think people have a right to have an opinion on it. With that being said, the scene has changed greatly, eSports is not anything like it was in 2010 and the organization needs to adapt in order to thrive. No bias but I think this type of thing is actually good - it means that we as a scene are starting to grow up and mature into something much bigger and hopefully more sustainable than it is now.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
Because EG wouldn't be the same organization without HuK and iNcontroL. The results that HuK brought and there was a time where he was without a doubt the best foreigner. The switch from Liquid to EG rocked the scene. He is one of EG's most successful progamers ever. He absolutely deserved a tribute.
And iNcontroL had been the face of EG for YEARS. He went so far beyond a player in that organization. He would travel to companies explaining progaming, explaining why its worth investing in, being that face of a franchise it needed. He went above and beyond for EG and thats why they kept him even when his results weren't anything special. Because he brought so much value to the organization.
And its not even the SC2 guys. JWongg is no longer on EG. Yes, he decided to let his contract run out. But the only word from EG about it was from PPD in a short video on twitter adding it in to all the 2017 announcements. Momochi is gone. The dude won EVO in an EG jersey and nearly nothing is said.
So here we have several KEY cogs of this organizations history being let go. Several guys who built up this organization to be the standard in esports just gone, with no thank you. No little tribute. No talks of what was to come with the organization. If you can't understand why HuK and iNcontroL are disappointed in how things ended then you just don't understand what these guys meant to EG.
As an EG fan, its hard to see this change. I knew it was the end of SC2 there. Thats fine. I'm a big fan of the Dota team, and of PPD, I freaked out when they won TI5. But this just isn't cool. They could have done a lot better.
I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But at this point, their careers have been left to rot. Incontrol was the face of EG when SC2 was big and EG's SC2 squad was big. Those days are long over. This is a really unique situation because its very rare for a player to sink so low before finally leaving a team.
I think a lot of this negativity stems from the misrepresentation of HuK's post here on TL. Clickbait is nice and all but you're relying on lazy internet people to read the source for the actual story.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
Because EG wouldn't be the same organization without HuK and iNcontroL. The results that HuK brought and there was a time where he was without a doubt the best foreigner. The switch from Liquid to EG rocked the scene. He is one of EG's most successful progamers ever. He absolutely deserved a tribute.
And iNcontroL had been the face of EG for YEARS. He went so far beyond a player in that organization. He would travel to companies explaining progaming, explaining why its worth investing in, being that face of a franchise it needed. He went above and beyond for EG and thats why they kept him even when his results weren't anything special. Because he brought so much value to the organization.
And its not even the SC2 guys. JWongg is no longer on EG. Yes, he decided to let his contract run out. But the only word from EG about it was from PPD in a short video on twitter adding it in to all the 2017 announcements. Momochi is gone. The dude won EVO in an EG jersey and nearly nothing is said.
So here we have several KEY cogs of this organizations history being let go. Several guys who built up this organization to be the standard in esports just gone, with no thank you. No little tribute. No talks of what was to come with the organization. If you can't understand why HuK and iNcontroL are disappointed in how things ended then you just don't understand what these guys meant to EG.
As an EG fan, its hard to see this change. I knew it was the end of SC2 there. Thats fine. I'm a big fan of the Dota team, and of PPD, I freaked out when they won TI5. But this just isn't cool. They could have done a lot better.
I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But at this point, their careers have been left to rot. Incontrol was the face of EG when SC2 was big and EG's SC2 squad was big. Those days are long over. This is a really unique situation because its very rare for a player to sink so low before finally leaving a team.
This is where you are missing what else iNcontroL was doing for the organization and also that EG kept bringing these guys back because of the family that it was. Alex Garfield wasn't letting them go and kept them around because they did bring value to the organization. The biggest reason their value went down is because SC2 popularity went down.
On January 04 2017 03:40 ProBell wrote: It's all about the $$$ $$ $$$. It's like this with every company in the real world sadly. Speaking from experience.
Of course it is, how do you think companies can survive if they don't care about money?
the general level of assholery in this thread is pretty astounding. Feels bad man. Those guys were important in different ways in different eras for this game and the EG team.
reading they were freeloaders who should have retired makes me feel sick.
On January 03 2017 18:47 sharkie wrote: Wow that title is nothing like the article.. Didn't know TL joined that side of the media.
"I feel like it is a shame that people such as my teammates and I, who have shown loyalty and served faithfully over the years, have been tossed aside at the end while a select few have been handed ownership of the team we all worked so hard to build"
In this case I don't think it's a super unfair headline.
In Toronto we have a newspaper The Toronto Star which had an article about the Toronto Police. I don't remember the title verbatim, but it read 'Toronto Police smoke marijuana'.
Reading the article revealed it was a study on the habits of our police force, and %15 of the police force admitted to smoking marijuana. It also reported some of them were overweight, some were fit, some liked to eat doughnuts.
The entire article was about various things of the police, and only a few words were devoted to 'police smoking marijuana'.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK
I also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
One of the worst examples to claim for being low tier and noncompetitive? His last achievement was in 2014, getting 3 - 1'd and taking second place at a low tier tournament against Major who is also a low tier foreign player. He also has a couple of low tier tournaments from the same year. His only real crowning moments were his victories back in 2011 against MC and Naniwa, that is a long long time ago now, HuK has been irrelevant in the scene for multiple years now.
Yea he was a top foreigner in WoL but you don't get paid for being the top 6 years ago and then for the last 2 years doing practically nothing.
lol in a previous thread where tyler says he was returning to sc2, ppl got banned cause they said he had no results and couldn't compete. as for me, I didn't even mention the lack of results, I stated it made no sense since the game was dead. many were triggered.
now here people are shitting all over huk and incontrol and no one bats an eye. lol. at least incontrol was actively involved in the community on multiple podcasts and creating lots of content. huk yeah, no longer top 3 control once he left liquid, but at least he won a dreamhack (or two?).
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK
I also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
One of the worst examples to claim for being low tier and noncompetitive? His last achievement was in 2014, getting 3 - 1'd and taking second place at a low tier tournament against Major who is also a low tier foreign player. He also has a couple of low tier tournaments from the same year. His only real crowning moments were his victories back in 2011 against MC and Naniwa, that is a long long time ago now, HuK has been irrelevant in the scene for multiple years now.
Yea he was a top foreigner in WoL but you don't get paid for being the top 6 years ago and then for the last 2 years doing practically nothing.
You said "always". Huk was one of the best players in the world for years, and one of the top 5 best foreigners for most of his career. It is clear that you have no idea what you are talking about if you think he was "always a low tier foreigner". He is just about the last guy that fits that description besides maybe nani or stephano. Stop.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK
I also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
One of the worst examples to claim for being low tier and noncompetitive? His last achievement was in 2014, getting 3 - 1'd and taking second place at a low tier tournament against Major who is also a low tier foreign player. He also has a couple of low tier tournaments from the same year. His only real crowning moments were his victories back in 2011 against MC and Naniwa, that is a long long time ago now, HuK has been irrelevant in the scene for multiple years now.
Yea he was a top foreigner in WoL but you don't get paid for being the top 6 years ago and then for the last 2 years doing practically nothing.
I mean you literally said, word for word, "he was always a low tier foreigner" and now you're backtracking to say "yea he was a top foreigner in WoL"? (which at least is factually true)
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
Because EG wouldn't be the same organization without HuK and iNcontroL. The results that HuK brought and there was a time where he was without a doubt the best foreigner. The switch from Liquid to EG rocked the scene. He is one of EG's most successful progamers ever. He absolutely deserved a tribute.
And iNcontroL had been the face of EG for YEARS. He went so far beyond a player in that organization. He would travel to companies explaining progaming, explaining why its worth investing in, being that face of a franchise it needed. He went above and beyond for EG and thats why they kept him even when his results weren't anything special. Because he brought so much value to the organization.
And its not even the SC2 guys. JWongg is no longer on EG. Yes, he decided to let his contract run out. But the only word from EG about it was from PPD in a short video on twitter adding it in to all the 2017 announcements. Momochi is gone. The dude won EVO in an EG jersey and nearly nothing is said.
So here we have several KEY cogs of this organizations history being let go. Several guys who built up this organization to be the standard in esports just gone, with no thank you. No little tribute. No talks of what was to come with the organization. If you can't understand why HuK and iNcontroL are disappointed in how things ended then you just don't understand what these guys meant to EG.
As an EG fan, its hard to see this change. I knew it was the end of SC2 there. Thats fine. I'm a big fan of the Dota team, and of PPD, I freaked out when they won TI5. But this just isn't cool. They could have done a lot better.
I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But at this point, their careers have been left to rot. Incontrol was the face of EG when SC2 was big and EG's SC2 squad was big. Those days are long over. This is a really unique situation because its very rare for a player to sink so low before finally leaving a team.
This is where you are missing what else iNcontroL was doing for the organization and also that EG kept bringing these guys back because of the family that it was. Alex Garfield wasn't letting them go and kept them around because they did bring value to the organization. The biggest reason their value went down is because SC2 popularity went down.
Right, I understand that the value went down to to SC2 popularity declining, but does that really matter in a business context? If the main thing you are relevant in goes away, does your relevance not also probably start to decline?
My point here isn't that Inc/HuK weren't important, relevant and hugely beneficial to EG at one point. My point is that their relevance has declined so much over such a long period of time that big ceremonious retirements like we saw with Idra should not be expected.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
Because EG wouldn't be the same organization without HuK and iNcontroL. The results that HuK brought and there was a time where he was without a doubt the best foreigner. The switch from Liquid to EG rocked the scene. He is one of EG's most successful progamers ever. He absolutely deserved a tribute.
And iNcontroL had been the face of EG for YEARS. He went so far beyond a player in that organization. He would travel to companies explaining progaming, explaining why its worth investing in, being that face of a franchise it needed. He went above and beyond for EG and thats why they kept him even when his results weren't anything special. Because he brought so much value to the organization.
And its not even the SC2 guys. JWongg is no longer on EG. Yes, he decided to let his contract run out. But the only word from EG about it was from PPD in a short video on twitter adding it in to all the 2017 announcements. Momochi is gone. The dude won EVO in an EG jersey and nearly nothing is said.
So here we have several KEY cogs of this organizations history being let go. Several guys who built up this organization to be the standard in esports just gone, with no thank you. No little tribute. No talks of what was to come with the organization. If you can't understand why HuK and iNcontroL are disappointed in how things ended then you just don't understand what these guys meant to EG.
As an EG fan, its hard to see this change. I knew it was the end of SC2 there. Thats fine. I'm a big fan of the Dota team, and of PPD, I freaked out when they won TI5. But this just isn't cool. They could have done a lot better.
I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But at this point, their careers have been left to rot. Incontrol was the face of EG when SC2 was big and EG's SC2 squad was big. Those days are long over. This is a really unique situation because its very rare for a player to sink so low before finally leaving a team.
This is where you are missing what else iNcontroL was doing for the organization and also that EG kept bringing these guys back because of the family that it was. Alex Garfield wasn't letting them go and kept them around because they did bring value to the organization. The biggest reason their value went down is because SC2 popularity went down.
Right, I understand that the value went down to to SC2 popularity declining, but does that really matter in a business context? If the main thing you are relevant in goes away, does your relevance not also probably start to decline?
My point here isn't that Inc/HuK weren't important, relevant and hugely beneficial to EG at one point. My point is that their relevance has declined so much over such a long period of time that big ceremonious retirements like we saw with Idra should not be expected.
Your point is wrong because you clearly didn't follow the scene closely enough to know that iNcontroL was hugely important and relevant to EG on the marketing and exposure side (moreso than as a player). Much moreso than he would have been if he remained strictly a professional player and competitor. Alex Garfield understood this but now he's gone, unfortunately for EG.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
Because EG wouldn't be the same organization without HuK and iNcontroL. The results that HuK brought and there was a time where he was without a doubt the best foreigner. The switch from Liquid to EG rocked the scene. He is one of EG's most successful progamers ever. He absolutely deserved a tribute.
And iNcontroL had been the face of EG for YEARS. He went so far beyond a player in that organization. He would travel to companies explaining progaming, explaining why its worth investing in, being that face of a franchise it needed. He went above and beyond for EG and thats why they kept him even when his results weren't anything special. Because he brought so much value to the organization.
And its not even the SC2 guys. JWongg is no longer on EG. Yes, he decided to let his contract run out. But the only word from EG about it was from PPD in a short video on twitter adding it in to all the 2017 announcements. Momochi is gone. The dude won EVO in an EG jersey and nearly nothing is said.
So here we have several KEY cogs of this organizations history being let go. Several guys who built up this organization to be the standard in esports just gone, with no thank you. No little tribute. No talks of what was to come with the organization. If you can't understand why HuK and iNcontroL are disappointed in how things ended then you just don't understand what these guys meant to EG.
As an EG fan, its hard to see this change. I knew it was the end of SC2 there. Thats fine. I'm a big fan of the Dota team, and of PPD, I freaked out when they won TI5. But this just isn't cool. They could have done a lot better.
I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But at this point, their careers have been left to rot. Incontrol was the face of EG when SC2 was big and EG's SC2 squad was big. Those days are long over. This is a really unique situation because its very rare for a player to sink so low before finally leaving a team.
This is where you are missing what else iNcontroL was doing for the organization and also that EG kept bringing these guys back because of the family that it was. Alex Garfield wasn't letting them go and kept them around because they did bring value to the organization. The biggest reason their value went down is because SC2 popularity went down.
Right, I understand that the value went down to to SC2 popularity declining, but does that really matter in a business context? If the main thing you are relevant in goes away, does your relevance not also probably start to decline?
My point here isn't that Inc/HuK weren't important, relevant and hugely beneficial to EG at one point. My point is that their relevance has declined so much over such a long period of time that big ceremonious retirements like we saw with Idra should not be expected.
Your point is wrong because you clearly didn't follow the scene closely enough to know that iNcontroL was hugely important and relevant to EG on the marketing and exposure side (moreso than as a player). Much moreso than he would have been if he remained strictly a professional player and competitor. Alex Garfield understood this but now he's gone, unfortunately for EG.
So outside of SC2, what else?
Edit: And I mean outside of SC2 casting and anything at all SC2 related. It seemed like he did some stuff with the EG house, but besides that.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK
I also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
One of the worst examples to claim for being low tier and noncompetitive? His last achievement was in 2014, getting 3 - 1'd and taking second place at a low tier tournament against Major who is also a low tier foreign player. He also has a couple of low tier tournaments from the same year. His only real crowning moments were his victories back in 2011 against MC and Naniwa, that is a long long time ago now, HuK has been irrelevant in the scene for multiple years now.
Yea he was a top foreigner in WoL but you don't get paid for being the top 6 years ago and then for the last 2 years doing practically nothing.
You said "always". Huk was one of the best players in the world for years, and one of the top 5 best foreigners for most of his career. It is clear that you have no idea what you are talking about if you think he was "always a low tier foreigner". He is just about the last guy that fits that description besides maybe nani or stephano. Stop.
Anyone who thinks his best result from 2014 years was a silver for an online tournament clearly knows little of HuK and just scrolled down on his liquipedia page. His most prestigious result (against good opponents) was a 5-8th place finish in WCS AM season 3, where he was one of two foreigners to break up the ro8 in a Korean dominated region.
Additionally, he was relevant as recent as March of this year where he got a ro8 in a WCS tournament. Sure, he played against somewhat weaker foreigners, but if we're talking relevancy to other foreigners, then he was definitely up there this year.
Shows that ethics are not always front and center in business. How quickly people often forget where they came from when they achieve success. Just because their game didn't remain as popular shouldn't be a reason to disregard the loyalty of the players on their sc2 team to the organization. Anyway, no matter the decision EG came to, it costs nothing to treat people with the respect they deserve.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
Same with Incontrol. He's on twitter being salty that he doesn't get some retirement ceremony when he hasn't been relevant for years. HuK and Incontrol kind of created this "meh" retirement situation by holding on as long as they did when there was nothing left.
Because EG wouldn't be the same organization without HuK and iNcontroL. The results that HuK brought and there was a time where he was without a doubt the best foreigner. The switch from Liquid to EG rocked the scene. He is one of EG's most successful progamers ever. He absolutely deserved a tribute.
And iNcontroL had been the face of EG for YEARS. He went so far beyond a player in that organization. He would travel to companies explaining progaming, explaining why its worth investing in, being that face of a franchise it needed. He went above and beyond for EG and thats why they kept him even when his results weren't anything special. Because he brought so much value to the organization.
And its not even the SC2 guys. JWongg is no longer on EG. Yes, he decided to let his contract run out. But the only word from EG about it was from PPD in a short video on twitter adding it in to all the 2017 announcements. Momochi is gone. The dude won EVO in an EG jersey and nearly nothing is said.
So here we have several KEY cogs of this organizations history being let go. Several guys who built up this organization to be the standard in esports just gone, with no thank you. No little tribute. No talks of what was to come with the organization. If you can't understand why HuK and iNcontroL are disappointed in how things ended then you just don't understand what these guys meant to EG.
As an EG fan, its hard to see this change. I knew it was the end of SC2 there. Thats fine. I'm a big fan of the Dota team, and of PPD, I freaked out when they won TI5. But this just isn't cool. They could have done a lot better.
I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But at this point, their careers have been left to rot. Incontrol was the face of EG when SC2 was big and EG's SC2 squad was big. Those days are long over. This is a really unique situation because its very rare for a player to sink so low before finally leaving a team.
This is where you are missing what else iNcontroL was doing for the organization and also that EG kept bringing these guys back because of the family that it was. Alex Garfield wasn't letting them go and kept them around because they did bring value to the organization. The biggest reason their value went down is because SC2 popularity went down.
Right, I understand that the value went down to to SC2 popularity declining, but does that really matter in a business context? If the main thing you are relevant in goes away, does your relevance not also probably start to decline?
My point here isn't that Inc/HuK weren't important, relevant and hugely beneficial to EG at one point. My point is that their relevance has declined so much over such a long period of time that big ceremonious retirements like we saw with Idra should not be expected.
There's a lot between a retirement ceremony and a couple of seconds on a 1.40 minute video. Creating a little video about each player, their achievements and EG thanking them for everything plus something done privately would be a decent way to split. This doesn't really cost anything except some time investment. It's good manners.
ppd & crew were handed ownership not because they're been "good EG guys" through the years, but because they literally made millions of dollars for the organisation from their Dota 2 victories. I don't really know what HuK and inControl were contributing to the company the last few years. I mean, Geoff is a cool guy and all, but seriously, streaming from your home with an EG shirt on is probably worth about 3 dollars an hour, not a stake in equity.
I think you guys are over thinking things. If our jobs let us go, are we getting big parties? The gaming community seems to be so disconnected from the real world. One guy mentioned huks last achievement was in 2014. So for 2 years eg paid him for nothing. What real job does that?
They paid him for starcraft. He didnt want to play it anymore and their starcraft division went to shit. Shocked. They got rid of it.
Let me quote iNcontroL during my leave of EG. He said to me (paraphrasing), "Eric, we are gamers. We play a video game. We don't deserve that fucking much and should be happy with what we get".
I was told this over probably 1 / 10,000th of what you ended up getting and I agree with him.
When I read your statement (and I read it all), I can't help but come to the understanding that you think you deserve more than what you got when I see it as the complete opposite. EG was overly fair to you including during this transition.
They kept you around much longer than nearly every other team would and paid you higher than most other teams would. The fact that they didn't keep you in the loop when they were planning on disbanding your game and removing you from the team shouldn't shock you. It's a standard business practice and EG is a business, not a family. You were an asset to that business and as a player for a game they no longer support as the game is not financially viable enough to their sponsors or them, you are useless to them. That's how it goes.
Good luck learning a new game or learning new skills to propel you into your next job.
PPD has no idea what he's doing. If he was going to disband the SC2 division because he thinks the game's scene is no longer lucrative, the best case would be to at least communicate his thoughts. This douche just did nothing and let the clock run out, until the SC2 division at EG was fed up with not knowing what's going on. Absolutely absurd. It should be known that whatever the task, it should be left up to someone with the knowledge and skills; and in this case, PPD is a player, he has no skills in managing an organization outside of a game. Should've just hired a CEO or manager instead of pissing on some of the oldest EG players that contributed to the success EG became.
On January 04 2017 06:15 Advantageous wrote: PPD has no idea what he's doing. If he was going to disband the SC2 division because he thinks the game's scene is no longer lucrative, the best case would be to at least communicate his thoughts. This douche just did nothing and let the clock run out, until the SC2 division at EG was fed up with not knowing what's going on. Absolutely absurd. It should be known that whatever the task, it should be left up to someone with the knowledge and skills; and in this case, PPD is a player, he has no skills in managing an organization outside of a game. Should've just hired a CEO or manager instead of pissing on some of the oldest EG players that contributed to the success EG became.
Have you followed competitive dota at all? PPD has more of a business mind than Garfield ever had. Cutting sc2 is the smartest thing he could have done. When was the last time HuK contributed literally any income to the team?
You can't run a business on an old legacy man, thas not how it works.
Good luck to HuK. If he doesn't have a degree, he should get one instead of playing video games for life. Pro gaming is a short career in the long run. Even if you find a pro gamer who has been doing it for 10 years, other jobs could offer you more.
On January 04 2017 06:15 Advantageous wrote: PPD has no idea what he's doing. If he was going to disband the SC2 division because he thinks the game's scene is no longer lucrative, the best case would be to at least communicate his thoughts. This douche just did nothing and let the clock run out, until the SC2 division at EG was fed up with not knowing what's going on. Absolutely absurd. It should be known that whatever the task, it should be left up to someone with the knowledge and skills; and in this case, PPD is a player, he has no skills in managing an organization outside of a game. Should've just hired a CEO or manager instead of pissing on some of the oldest EG players that contributed to the success EG became.
Have you followed competitive dota at all? PPD has more of a business mind than Garfield ever had.
Yeah that's a very bold statement lol. Garfield was one of the most influential businessman in esports. PPD is just a good dota captain.
I don't get all the anti-Huk sentiment. Maybe I missed something (I read it yesterday, I think), but isn't his post saying that he thought they deserved more of a formal goodbye announcement? Most of Huk's post was saying how great EG has been for him and how happy he was to be a part of it.
Wasn't the announcement by EG was just a throwaway line in a poorly made video? These things really do matter and are a reflection on the professionalism of the organization. For a public figure to part ways with a public company, there should be a brief release. All EG needed to do was make a somewhat well written post saying 'goodbye, thanks for the memories'.
Poor move by EG. This reflects poorly on EG and how other aspects of the team is run. Based on this, I can't help but think they're not running it as well as they could.
Let me quote iNcontroL during my leave of EG. He said to me (paraphrasing), "Eric, we are gamers. We play a video game. We don't deserve that fucking much and should be happy with what we get".
I was told this over probably 1 / 10,000th of what you ended up getting and I agree with him.
When I read your statement (and I read it all), I can't help but come to the understanding that you think you deserve more than what you got when I see it as the complete opposite. EG was overly fair to you including during this transition.
They kept you around much longer than nearly every other team would and paid you higher than most other teams would. The fact that they didn't keep you in the loop when they were planning on disbanding your game and removing you from the team shouldn't shock you. It's a standard business practice and EG is a business, not a family. You were an asset to that business and as a player for a game they no longer support as the game is not financially viable enough to their sponsors or them, you are useless to them. That's how it goes.
Good luck learning a new game or learning new skills to propel you into your next job.
As a side note G5, I feel like the least they could have done for these players was to make a more respectful public statement than what they did (and I mean ALL the players).
It really doesn't take too much show a little more respect especially when eSport companies have actually professionalized far more over the years.
The one thing that gets me personally is how EG went from being one of the most professional organizations, with some of the best PR out there to where they are today.
It feels like they've really fallen off in terms of overall quality. I don't care that they make business decisions - they've always had to make them. The fact is that EG used to make the decisions and communicate them so much more effectively and professionally than they are now.
On January 04 2017 06:15 Advantageous wrote: PPD has no idea what he's doing. If he was going to disband the SC2 division because he thinks the game's scene is no longer lucrative, the best case would be to at least communicate his thoughts. This douche just did nothing and let the clock run out, until the SC2 division at EG was fed up with not knowing what's going on. Absolutely absurd. It should be known that whatever the task, it should be left up to someone with the knowledge and skills; and in this case, PPD is a player, he has no skills in managing an organization outside of a game. Should've just hired a CEO or manager instead of pissing on some of the oldest EG players that contributed to the success EG became.
Have you followed competitive dota at all? PPD has more of a business mind than Garfield ever had. Cutting sc2 is the smartest thing he could have done. When was the last time HuK contributed literally any income to the team?
You can't run a business on an old legacy man, thas not how it works.
How much do you think EG has been spending on SC2 since Jaedong left? I doubt it's really all that much. It's a smart decision financially, but it probably wouldn't have ruined EG either way. Idk, acting like it's a god tier business decision irked me.
Also @ the guy saying, "mrahhhhh!!! stupid EG players wanting to get a send off, look at the real world!" That's kind of a false analogy imo. More analogous is when sports professionals retire, even if they haven't been on said team in a few years.
For any football fans, Steve Smith Sr. just retired from the NFL after 16 years in the league. He hasn't played on the Panthers in 3-4 years, but the previous 12 he did. Even though he didn't have much of a current connection to the organization, check the Facebook page and team website. A lot of tributes to Steve Smith, and everything he brought to the org.
We're getting into the territory of eSports and personalities having very large fanbases. I think it's completely fair for these two to want more than a few seconds in amateur looking youtube video. A compilation of their best/funniest/coolest moments, all centering around EG, would've been a nice touch. These guys have been with the organization for half a decade.
It's also a smart business decision to invest 2-3 hours into making these videos, because it would show that EG is more than just a business organization blablabla and it could give the org good publicity. Players want to go to orgs that appreciate them.
On January 04 2017 06:15 Advantageous wrote: PPD has no idea what he's doing. If he was going to disband the SC2 division because he thinks the game's scene is no longer lucrative, the best case would be to at least communicate his thoughts. This douche just did nothing and let the clock run out, until the SC2 division at EG was fed up with not knowing what's going on. Absolutely absurd. It should be known that whatever the task, it should be left up to someone with the knowledge and skills; and in this case, PPD is a player, he has no skills in managing an organization outside of a game. Should've just hired a CEO or manager instead of pissing on some of the oldest EG players that contributed to the success EG became.
Have you followed competitive dota at all? PPD has more of a business mind than Garfield ever had. Cutting sc2 is the smartest thing he could have done. When was the last time HuK contributed literally any income to the team?
You can't run a business on an old legacy man, thas not how it works.
Just pointing out -- the post you're replying to (and I think the bulk of the people who feel bad about this) specifically says that the way that the cut happened is the problem, not the fact that SC2 was cut. Personally, my heart goes out to Geoff, Chris, and the other people cut; it's really unprofessional to announce cuts publicly first, without letting your colleagues know what's coming down the pike (so they can make plans), and handling any disagreements privately.
Realized ppd didn't just inherit EG Dota but the whole company. Well, he probably doesn't care enough about the other players to give them a tribute. If he can bad-mouth Aui after kicking him off their TI-winning team, he wouldn't shed a tear for the other players on other games.
On January 04 2017 06:15 Advantageous wrote: PPD has no idea what he's doing. If he was going to disband the SC2 division because he thinks the game's scene is no longer lucrative, the best case would be to at least communicate his thoughts. This douche just did nothing and let the clock run out, until the SC2 division at EG was fed up with not knowing what's going on. Absolutely absurd. It should be known that whatever the task, it should be left up to someone with the knowledge and skills; and in this case, PPD is a player, he has no skills in managing an organization outside of a game. Should've just hired a CEO or manager instead of pissing on some of the oldest EG players that contributed to the success EG became.
Have you followed competitive dota at all? PPD has more of a business mind than Garfield ever had. Cutting sc2 is the smartest thing he could have done. When was the last time HuK contributed literally any income to the team?
You can't run a business on an old legacy man, thas not how it works.
I don't follow competitive dota very much, but what did PPD ever do on the business side of it?
And it's not like Incontrol or Huk could possibly cost them that much money. Sport team keep old player longer then they should base on their on the field performance all the time it does them publicity and help breaking new player into the team.
But most of all you don't ditch some of your all star player in a twitter video (Momo and Justin wong are still high placer in fighting game tournament), there is a reason why sport team retire the number of their best player, do video about them, invite them to matches and invitational, ect... If you want to build a stable brand across decades you have to make your presence across time, build your "legacy". They are clearly not the only esport team to do that but I would have hope that EG would have understand the need for this.
What blows my mind is not that HuK or InControl got cut with such a short video, but that fucking Justin Wong and Momochi got cut the same way when they are still very relevant in the FGC, and JWong even streams quite regularly. AND that PPMD didn't get cut at the same time despite being in (arguably) the same genre of fighting games.
On January 04 2017 08:23 t3tsubo wrote: What blows my mind is not that HuK or InControl got cut with such a short video, but that fucking Justin Wong and Momochi got cut the same way when they are still very relevant in the FGC, and JWong even streams quite regularly. AND that PPMD didn't get cut at the same time despite being in (arguably) the same genre of fighting games.
PPMD probably don't cost nearly the same and smash is doing well so it make sense, with Marvel coming out player like JWong, Eduardo, Ricky and Chris G who were all some of the great Marvel 2 and 3 players probably saw their value go up a lot (oppose to Momochi who as far as I know only play SF), since their is a very high chance that they could dominate or at least have huge stream number in the early day of the game. Chris G is probably the least expensive of all since he is the least well know as the other two (despite being the evo champ in MVC3) and Ricky is to good to be cut right now.
So I would guess that PPD want to keep his door open in case Marvel become huge, but FG are probably not high in his priority.
It could also be completely different reason, it's not like I had any source on the subject.
I do not really know the story here, but what Twitch is saying sounds like "We are unable to build a sustainable business model here, the costs and risks are too high, the brand names are of some value, we are transferring them to players in exchange for salaries, premiums bonuses outstanding or due in the future under the current contracts". Players, who earn most accept the stake and risk involved. I do not thinkine it was a gift. HuK appears not to understand what has happened. But again, I do not know, if this is really the case.
I loved EG for many years but I have to say, ever since Garfield left the organization has not been the same. If what Huk and Incontrol are saying about being tossed aside at the last minute with no notice (and why should I doubt them?) is true, then I cannot find words adequate to convey my disappointment with this new EG (i'm looking at you ppd). Huk made waves in SC2 back in the day, and I know that he hasn't been posting results nowadays but he could have been given a little more notice. It's not like he wouldn't be understanding...
But Incontrol? That the management didn't talk to him at all fucking pisses me off. He gave his fucking heart and soul to EG...
Let me quote iNcontroL during my leave of EG. He said to me (paraphrasing), "Eric, we are gamers. We play a video game. We don't deserve that fucking much and should be happy with what we get".
I was told this over probably 1 / 10,000th of what you ended up getting and I agree with him.
When I read your statement (and I read it all), I can't help but come to the understanding that you think you deserve more than what you got when I see it as the complete opposite. EG was overly fair to you including during this transition.
They kept you around much longer than nearly every other team would and paid you higher than most other teams would. The fact that they didn't keep you in the loop when they were planning on disbanding your game and removing you from the team shouldn't shock you. It's a standard business practice and EG is a business, not a family. You were an asset to that business and as a player for a game they no longer support as the game is not financially viable enough to their sponsors or them, you are useless to them. That's how it goes.
Good luck learning a new game or learning new skills to propel you into your next job.
As a side note G5, I feel like the least they could have done for these players was to make a more respectful public statement than what they did (and I mean ALL the players).
It really doesn't take too much show a little more respect especially when eSport companies have actually professionalized far more over the years.
The one thing that gets me personally is how EG went from being one of the most professional organizations, with some of the best PR out there to where they are today.
It feels like they've really fallen off in terms of overall quality. I don't care that they make business decisions - they've always had to make them. The fact is that EG used to make the decisions and communicate them so much more effectively and professionally than they are now.
Let me just point out that when I was on EG, they would land new sponsors like MSI Computers and various others and put out big press releases and state how all the players were getting free gaming laptops from their new sponsors and stuff like that and never give them to us. Every time we would see that we'd get excited and ask when we were getting whatever it was and they'd just tell us it was a PR stunt and if we said anything bad about EG they'd sue us as our contract states we can't say anything bad about EG. That was why I left and I wouldn't call that professional communication to the players or the public.
In fact, I asked to be released from the team, they agreed, so they removed me from the roster, said publicly they were parting ways with me, then kept me on contract without telling me. I had to find that out by other team managers whom were interested in signing me because EG directly contacted those team managers and threatened to sue them if they signed me. They've never been too "professional" communicating in my experience.
Lost a lot of interest in SC2 and EG SC2 for a while, and baffled why guys like HuK never did better to promote himself more or Incontrol going further expanding his brand into other territories.
But it is really sad to see how this has all been handled considering I got into SC2 e-sports a lot in part because of EG. How guys like HuK (I remember when he rarely streamed from Korea, and hit 10k+ viewers way back) and Incontrol (this guy exemplifies leadership and strong skills in the public eye) just get disrespected like that is just awful, and disrespectful by those who run EG now.
I love watching DOTA 2 and respect PPD as a player, but If it's true that it's him that called these shots, then shame on him
I have nothing but mad respect for men like HuK + iNc who have made sacrifices that most won't ever be able to understand in driving e-sports to where it is today. What EG has done in time will prove to be wrong. Without StarCraft there probably wouldn't be nearly as lucrative Dota or LoL competitive scenes. Have some appreciation for the pillars of e-sports that passed the torch forward and honor those that came before.
Thank You HuK and iNc along with the many others for your involvement and commitment to stabilizing major gaming teams as legitimate North American entities along with your love for the game that continues to drive e-sports forward.
It makes sense to get rid of players when you get rid of a game, a sad but true fact is that a team is a business and Huk wasnt really providing anything to make them want to keep him. Incontrol knew he was getting kicked for over a month and realease a video about it, Huk probably did too. PPD definitely should have spent more than 10 seconds talking about them though, that was a really bad way to go about it.
Regarding Justin Wong, that guy is a god. A literal god. For this ppd guy in his video to barely even mention his accomplishments, of which they are myriad, is a travesty. I was there when he did his godlike comeback in MVC2 vs Yipes back in 07 when he was down to just Cyke vs an entire close to full health MSP.
Wong is the kind of guy who not only was the GOAT in MVC2, he was a serious contender in any fighting game because he was a genius and had such a deep understanding of fundamentals. dude does money matches with low tier characters (which are NOT competitive in MVC2, forget it) and makes mad money. most people remember him because he was on the receiving end of a Daigo comeback beatdown, but J Wong has had plenty of god mode comebacks. The yipes one like I mentioned.
LEGENDARY 1 pixel comeback with cable
Wong is on another level. What are they thinking letting him go? Probably couldn't afford him
On January 04 2017 05:27 JimSocks wrote: If our jobs let us go, are we getting big parties?
Actually, its customary to have a going away party, even for people who underperformed. A nice gesture.
Let me quote iNcontroL during my leave of EG. He said to me (paraphrasing), "Eric, we are gamers. We play a video game. We don't deserve that fucking much and should be happy with what we get".
I was told this over probably 1 / 10,000th of what you ended up getting and I agree with him.
When I read your statement (and I read it all), I can't help but come to the understanding that you think you deserve more than what you got when I see it as the complete opposite. EG was overly fair to you including during this transition.
They kept you around much longer than nearly every other team would and paid you higher than most other teams would. The fact that they didn't keep you in the loop when they were planning on disbanding your game and removing you from the team shouldn't shock you. It's a standard business practice and EG is a business, not a family. You were an asset to that business and as a player for a game they no longer support as the game is not financially viable enough to their sponsors or them, you are useless to them. That's how it goes.
Good luck learning a new game or learning new skills to propel you into your next job.
As a side note G5, I feel like the least they could have done for these players was to make a more respectful public statement than what they did (and I mean ALL the players).
It really doesn't take too much show a little more respect especially when eSport companies have actually professionalized far more over the years.
The one thing that gets me personally is how EG went from being one of the most professional organizations, with some of the best PR out there to where they are today.
It feels like they've really fallen off in terms of overall quality. I don't care that they make business decisions - they've always had to make them. The fact is that EG used to make the decisions and communicate them so much more effectively and professionally than they are now.
Let me jut point out that when I was on EG, they would land new sponsors like MSI Computers and various others and put out big press releases and state how all the players were getting free gaming laptops from their new sponsors and stuff like that and never give them to us. Every time we would see that we'd get excited and ask when we were getting whatever it was and they'd just tell us it was a PR stunt and if we said anything bad about EG they'd sue us as our contract states we can't say anything bad about EG. That was why I left and I wouldn't call that professional communication to the players or the public.
In fact, I asked to be released from the team, they agreed, so they removed me from the roster, said publicly they were parting ways with me, then kept me on contract without telling me. I had to find that out by other team managers whom were interested in signing me because EG directly contacted those team managers and threatened to sue them if they signed me. They've never been too "professional" communicating in my experience.
Oh, the skeletons are coming out of the closet now :D
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK
I also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
One of the worst examples to claim for being low tier and noncompetitive? His last achievement was in 2014, getting 3 - 1'd and taking second place at a low tier tournament against Major who is also a low tier foreign player. He also has a couple of low tier tournaments from the same year. His only real crowning moments were his victories back in 2011 against MC and Naniwa, that is a long long time ago now, HuK has been irrelevant in the scene for multiple years now.
Yea he was a top foreigner in WoL but you don't get paid for being the top 6 years ago and then for the last 2 years doing practically nothing.
I mean you literally said, word for word, "he was always a low tier foreigner" and now you're backtracking to say "yea he was a top foreigner in WoL"? (which at least is factually true)
Got a brainy one on our hands.
He was always low tier just by being a foreigner alone, what foreigners haven't been low tier players besides the greats like Nerchio, Stephano, Snute, Naniwa, Mana? I mean sure theres a few who had relative success vs. high tier players like the Koreans or the semi Koreans like Violet/Polt besides them but that's pretty much it and HuK isnt one of him. If Koreans destroy you on the regular your low tier, even if your top tier among the low tier people, your still low.
Apologies for being so literal, HuK was solid for 2 years of his career then became kind of a back of the scenes kinda guy, stopped streaming, stopped making appearances, piss off with your sarcasm chump.
Huk had it good compared to most pros. He was a mid-tier foreigner that got paid to produce mediocre results, free large house to live in (unlike Korean pros with their small apartments), got commercial spots from being on the team and was flown to the four corners of the world with room and board on EG's dime dozens of times. SC2 is on the decline and EG hasn't had any contenders in the game for years. It is what it is.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK
I also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
One of the worst examples to claim for being low tier and noncompetitive? His last achievement was in 2014, getting 3 - 1'd and taking second place at a low tier tournament against Major who is also a low tier foreign player. He also has a couple of low tier tournaments from the same year. His only real crowning moments were his victories back in 2011 against MC and Naniwa, that is a long long time ago now, HuK has been irrelevant in the scene for multiple years now.
Yea he was a top foreigner in WoL but you don't get paid for being the top 6 years ago and then for the last 2 years doing practically nothing.
I mean you literally said, word for word, "he was always a low tier foreigner" and now you're backtracking to say "yea he was a top foreigner in WoL"? (which at least is factually true)
Got a brainy one on our hands.
He was always low tier just by being a foreigner alone, what foreigners haven't been low tier players besides the greats like Nerchio, Stephano, Snute, Naniwa, Mana? I mean sure theres a few who had relative success vs. high tier players like the Koreans or the semi Koreans like Violet/Polt besides them but that's pretty much it and HuK isnt one of him. If Koreans destroy you on the regular your low tier, even if your top tier among the low tier people, your still low.
Apologies for being so literal, HuK was solid for 2 years of his career then became kind of a back of the scenes kinda guy, stopped streaming, stopped making appearances, piss off with your sarcasm chump.
several Code S appearances = low tier pro?
Never seen Nerchio Mana or Snute in Code S.
According to Liquipedia he is actually the last foreigner to make it to Code S. Edit: Seems Scarlett qualified for season 1 2017.
On January 04 2017 10:56 Devolved wrote: Huk had it good compared to most pros. He was a mid-tier foreigner that got paid to produce mediocre results, free large house to live in (unlike Korean pros with their small apartments), got commercial spots from being on the team and was flown to the four corners of the world with room and board on EG's dime dozens of times. SC2 is on the decline and EG hasn't had any contenders in the game for years. It is what it is.
This is not about the decision to end the sc2 division, it is about professionalism and transparency with those who deserve it. There shouldn't be any debate about those being qualities of a good business.
On January 04 2017 12:15 zealotstim wrote: This is not about the decision to end the sc2 division, it is about professionalism and transparency with those who deserve it. There shouldn't be any debate about those being qualities of a good business.
Just because you think someone deserves something does not mean they actually deserve it. It's just your opinion. I'm sure EG would have bothered to inform Huk if they had deemed it necessary. They did not. As Devolved put it, Huk had it good for someone so mediocre producing so mediocre competitive results, so I'm surprised some of you guys are surprised some of us think of this whining of his as ungrateful.
On January 04 2017 10:56 Devolved wrote: Huk had it good compared to most pros. He was a mid-tier foreigner that got paid to produce mediocre results, free large house to live in (unlike Korean pros with their small apartments), got commercial spots from being on the team and was flown to the four corners of the world with room and board on EG's dime dozens of times. SC2 is on the decline and EG hasn't had any contenders in the game for years. It is what it is.
You said it best..
because those kespa teams treating their players like slaves is the actual ideal we are trying to reach here...
On January 04 2017 08:23 t3tsubo wrote: What blows my mind is not that HuK or InControl got cut with such a short video, but that fucking Justin Wong and Momochi got cut the same way when they are still very relevant in the FGC, and JWong even streams quite regularly. AND that PPMD didn't get cut at the same time despite being in (arguably) the same genre of fighting games.
I think it's more likely that Justin Wong and Momochi left of their own accord.
For the sake of the argument, how much do you think EG was worth before equity was given to the players. Lets say 10 mil - that including all assets. I highly doubt they had 7 figures of disposable funds in a bank account. Anyways, I'm trying to think of what HuK could've received as share and if that would've made any difference. Of course its better to have equity than not, but if he got like 2% (which might be actually optimistic) its not like he was set for life and or would've had a large enough share to have any say in the org.
It looks like in a long-term perspective Huk would be much better off if he'd stayed with TL, but I don't really know what else a retired SC2 pro player who doesn't even play the game anymore may expect from a business-oriented organization like EG. Staying on EG and being some sort of a celebrity with a monthly salary would be nice I guess... On a more positive note though I'd say Huk is still young and potent so there is still a lot for him to achieve in e-sport.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK
I also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
One of the worst examples to claim for being low tier and noncompetitive? His last achievement was in 2014, getting 3 - 1'd and taking second place at a low tier tournament against Major who is also a low tier foreign player. He also has a couple of low tier tournaments from the same year. His only real crowning moments were his victories back in 2011 against MC and Naniwa, that is a long long time ago now, HuK has been irrelevant in the scene for multiple years now.
Yea he was a top foreigner in WoL but you don't get paid for being the top 6 years ago and then for the last 2 years doing practically nothing.
I mean you literally said, word for word, "he was always a low tier foreigner" and now you're backtracking to say "yea he was a top foreigner in WoL"? (which at least is factually true)
Got a brainy one on our hands.
He was always low tier just by being a foreigner alone, what foreigners haven't been low tier players besides the greats like Nerchio, Stephano, Snute, Naniwa, Mana? I mean sure theres a few who had relative success vs. high tier players like the Koreans or the semi Koreans like Violet/Polt besides them but that's pretty much it and HuK isnt one of him. If Koreans destroy you on the regular your low tier, even if your top tier among the low tier people, your still low.
Apologies for being so literal, HuK was solid for 2 years of his career then became kind of a back of the scenes kinda guy, stopped streaming, stopped making appearances, piss off with your sarcasm chump.
HuK actually is one of the foreigner greats, and his GSL success alone puts him as a top tier foreigner in his prime, not to mention his additional success/ wins at other circuits like MLG. I don't think you're giving enough credit to the GSL, nor do I think you're thinking about how great he was on TL/ EG back in 2010-2012 (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK/Results).
Let me quote iNcontroL during my leave of EG. He said to me (paraphrasing), "Eric, we are gamers. We play a video game. We don't deserve that fucking much and should be happy with what we get".
I was told this over probably 1 / 10,000th of what you ended up getting and I agree with him.
When I read your statement (and I read it all), I can't help but come to the understanding that you think you deserve more than what you got when I see it as the complete opposite. EG was overly fair to you including during this transition.
They kept you around much longer than nearly every other team would and paid you higher than most other teams would. The fact that they didn't keep you in the loop when they were planning on disbanding your game and removing you from the team shouldn't shock you. It's a standard business practice and EG is a business, not a family. You were an asset to that business and as a player for a game they no longer support as the game is not financially viable enough to their sponsors or them, you are useless to them. That's how it goes.
Good luck learning a new game or learning new skills to propel you into your next job.
As a side note G5, I feel like the least they could have done for these players was to make a more respectful public statement than what they did (and I mean ALL the players).
It really doesn't take too much show a little more respect especially when eSport companies have actually professionalized far more over the years.
The one thing that gets me personally is how EG went from being one of the most professional organizations, with some of the best PR out there to where they are today.
It feels like they've really fallen off in terms of overall quality. I don't care that they make business decisions - they've always had to make them. The fact is that EG used to make the decisions and communicate them so much more effectively and professionally than they are now.
Let me just point out that when I was on EG, they would land new sponsors like MSI Computers and various others and put out big press releases and state how all the players were getting free gaming laptops from their new sponsors and stuff like that and never give them to us. Every time we would see that we'd get excited and ask when we were getting whatever it was and they'd just tell us it was a PR stunt and if we said anything bad about EG they'd sue us as our contract states we can't say anything bad about EG. That was why I left and I wouldn't call that professional communication to the players or the public.
In fact, I asked to be released from the team, they agreed, so they removed me from the roster, said publicly they were parting ways with me, then kept me on contract without telling me. I had to find that out by other team managers whom were interested in signing me because EG directly contacted those team managers and threatened to sue them if they signed me. They've never been too "professional" communicating in my experience.
WOW.
Had no idea things were like that, I thought EG was a really respectable team treating their players in the nicest ways... sort of a role model as far as teams are concerned
Let me quote iNcontroL during my leave of EG. He said to me (paraphrasing), "Eric, we are gamers. We play a video game. We don't deserve that fucking much and should be happy with what we get".
I was told this over probably 1 / 10,000th of what you ended up getting and I agree with him.
When I read your statement (and I read it all), I can't help but come to the understanding that you think you deserve more than what you got when I see it as the complete opposite. EG was overly fair to you including during this transition.
They kept you around much longer than nearly every other team would and paid you higher than most other teams would. The fact that they didn't keep you in the loop when they were planning on disbanding your game and removing you from the team shouldn't shock you. It's a standard business practice and EG is a business, not a family. You were an asset to that business and as a player for a game they no longer support as the game is not financially viable enough to their sponsors or them, you are useless to them. That's how it goes.
Good luck learning a new game or learning new skills to propel you into your next job.
As a side note G5, I feel like the least they could have done for these players was to make a more respectful public statement than what they did (and I mean ALL the players).
It really doesn't take too much show a little more respect especially when eSport companies have actually professionalized far more over the years.
The one thing that gets me personally is how EG went from being one of the most professional organizations, with some of the best PR out there to where they are today.
It feels like they've really fallen off in terms of overall quality. I don't care that they make business decisions - they've always had to make them. The fact is that EG used to make the decisions and communicate them so much more effectively and professionally than they are now.
Let me just point out that when I was on EG, they would land new sponsors like MSI Computers and various others and put out big press releases and state how all the players were getting free gaming laptops from their new sponsors and stuff like that and never give them to us. Every time we would see that we'd get excited and ask when we were getting whatever it was and they'd just tell us it was a PR stunt and if we said anything bad about EG they'd sue us as our contract states we can't say anything bad about EG. That was why I left and I wouldn't call that professional communication to the players or the public.
In fact, I asked to be released from the team, they agreed, so they removed me from the roster, said publicly they were parting ways with me, then kept me on contract without telling me. I had to find that out by other team managers whom were interested in signing me because EG directly contacted those team managers and threatened to sue them if they signed me. They've never been too "professional" communicating in my experience.
WOW.
Had no idea things were like that, I thought EG was a really respectable team treating their players in the nicest ways... sort of a role model as far as teams are concerned
Rule of thumb seems to be: Are they an esports team? If yes, they have done very shady, anti-employee things at some point during their existence.
Are they an esports team? YES. But moreover are they a business? YES So they run it like a business. When something becomes worthless, as a business, that thing must be cut off or in this case lay off. Huk has been irrelevant for a long time, yet they still keep him around and pay him (due to contract). Now his contract over, they are not renewing it. It simple business decision. Not sure why Huk and InControl whining about.
Dude got fired? Happens everyday. Most employers don't exactly keep you up to speed on situations like that...
Imagine your boss approaching you and saying "yeah so we're in talks about whether or not we should keep you... you'll find out 2 weeks from now, good luck!" In most cases like that, I assume the employee would just up and leave right there unless they really needed the money. I know this case is a bit different, because he was getting paid to play a game and probably didn't want to give that up, but the point still remains that EG is a business and they simply made a business decision.
No love lost as far as Huk, though. He's a great player, seems like a sensible guy... it's just too bad he got the short end of the stick. And yeah, EG could've handled it better... but with hindsight you can say that about damn near any occurance in life.
On January 03 2017 21:25 xTJx wrote: To be fair, EG's SC2 division survived way longer than expected, in this way they helped him a lot.
Basically this. I don't know why anyone's surprised. HuK no longer performed well starting 2013 onwards. Considering EG kept him for 3 years afterwards during which he had no results is actually generous of EG imo.
On January 05 2017 03:21 t3tsubo wrote: Ayyy well the EchoFox announcement explains why Momochi and JWong left, they probably got offered a fat contract to switch.
Those are people that saw the end of the road and made other plans. Huk is just being Huk about this. Always the drama queen.
What the hell does Huk mean by showing loyalty to EG? He was on the team because they paid the biggest buck. Did Huk show loyalty to TL when he left EG for that team?
Why the hell should a business keep a member of the team who is no longer valuable to the organization. What actual "work" did he even do? He was never a particularly big streamer so he didn't bring in that much exposure. Just seemed like he wanted to be able to to be a decent gamer in Sc2 and OW while being support by EG.
Makes him come out as a very self entitled person.
I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.
Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.
On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote: I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.
Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.
On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.
Hit the nail on the head. It is interesting how from a production standpoint, it is in their interest to try to elevate players and make everything seem like a huge deal. They try to make an image for people like HuK etc for the sake of viewers. And then the players themselves start to believe the stuff that is just being said to get more ad revenue. Inc and HuK being some special "pillars" or whatever had a purpose and that purpose is long gone.
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote: I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.
Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.
On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.
Theres a reason players often didnt like to speak to fans, they'd get swarmed by dozens and dozens and be there for ages. In tandem with that they were playing on very odd schedules where they'd be jet lagged, playing from 7am to 2 am the next day. They're human they dont have to grovel at your feet, and sometimes, even asking a stranger for a hello is asking a lot.
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote: I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.
Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.
On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.
Theres a reason players often didnt like to speak to fans, they'd get swarmed by dozens and dozens and be there for ages. In tandem with that they were playing on very odd schedules where they'd be jet lagged, playing from 7am to 2 am the next day. They're human they dont have to grovel at your feet, and sometimes, even asking a stranger for a hello is asking a lot.
That is fine, but compared to the Koreans (who have all those same excuses) the foreigners were a lot more standoffish. Just an observation.
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote: I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.
Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.
On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.
Hit the nail on the head. It is interesting how from a production standpoint, it is in their interest to try to elevate players and make everything seem like a huge deal. They try to make an image for people like HuK etc for the sake of viewers. And then the players themselves start to believe the stuff that is just being said to get more ad revenue. Inc and HuK being some special "pillars" or whatever had a purpose and that purpose is long gone.
I don't think Huk won a single thing ("thing", being extremely broad there) after the very early stages of WOL. I remember that when i really started to watch SC2 frequently in 2011 that casters where already saying that Huk a player that was fading away, and ressorted to frequent cheeses and allins to try and sustain his results. Overall during the entire span of HOTS Huk was pretty much absent or completely irrelevant.
I think it's good that SC2 teams seem to keep players for a long time even if they don't perform extremely well don't get me wrong. But Huk was extremely hyped, while showing very poor results for at least the last 3 years. Feel free to correct me though.
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote: I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.
Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.
On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.
Hit the nail on the head. It is interesting how from a production standpoint, it is in their interest to try to elevate players and make everything seem like a huge deal. They try to make an image for people like HuK etc for the sake of viewers. And then the players themselves start to believe the stuff that is just being said to get more ad revenue. Inc and HuK being some special "pillars" or whatever had a purpose and that purpose is long gone.
I don't think Huk won a single thing ("thing", being extremely broad there) after the very early stages of WOL. I remember that when i really started to watch SC2 frequently in 2011 that casters where already saying that Huk a player that was fading away, and ressorted to frequent cheeses and allins to try and sustain his results. Overall during the entire span of HOTS Huk was pretty much absent or completely irrelevant.
I think it's good that SC2 teams seem to keep players for a long time even if they don't perform extremely well don't get me wrong. But Huk was extremely hyped, showing very poor results for at least the last 3 years. Feel free to correct me though.
he won a redbull archon tourney with MC during LOTV beta.
Dude got fired? Happens everyday. Most employers don't exactly keep you up to speed on situations like that...
Imagine your boss approaching you and saying "yeah so we're in talks about whether or not we should keep you... you'll find out 2 weeks from now, good luck!"
Imagine barely doing any work for your organization for several years and thus not providing any real value, and when the organization finally lets you off, you complain about about they fired you after all of your "loyaltity".
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote: On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.
As far as I know, iNcontroL wasn't only getting paid to practice and compete in tournaments; he provided plenty of other value with his content creation, commentary, and other peripherals. You don't know what their contracts entailed.
It would have been nice to have a little send off of some type, but this has been a known event for a while now. All the EG marketing and behind the scenes folks work at twitch now. The team itself seems to be running really lean, so expecting much in the way of production is probably asking too much. Unless the former GGA people at twitch were going to whip something up for free which is silly to expect right now I feel like this is realistically as good as it gets.
PPD has done a fair bit of video content in the past. Vlogs, draft analysis, and the like and while they're a great look behind the curtain they've never had amazing production value. Some behind the scenes footage, having fun, some music, and him talking in his hotel room. This announcement is pretty much more of that, without a bunch of media people now what more is reasonable honestly?
How hopefully things get better in the future but when you're taking over the brand essentially starting from square one without any of the staff that existed in previous years I personally can't get upset. I'd like for them to feel things out, grow and hopefully do better in the future but this is the reality of the team now. Out of the starting blocks with a player run org things are going to be lean.
I don't think any of the old EG players are surprised that they closed a bunch of esport divisions, they jsut feel like it was done in a very pathetic way. EG could have done it in a much more graceful way. Writing even a short article about each player would have been enough.
Imagine barely doing any work for your organization for several years and thus not providing any real value, and when the organization finally lets you off, you complain about about they fired you after all of your "loyaltity".
LMAO. he stayed with EG, probably not due to loyalty but no teams willing to take in a freeloader with a short-man syndrome. If he had any "loyalty" he would stick with Team Liquid
Dude got fired? Happens everyday. Most employers don't exactly keep you up to speed on situations like that...
Imagine your boss approaching you and saying "yeah so we're in talks about whether or not we should keep you... you'll find out 2 weeks from now, good luck!"
Imagine barely doing any work for your organization for several years and thus not providing any real value, and when the organization finally lets you off, you complain about about they fired you after all of your "loyaltity".
Yeah, let's get real here. I work 8+ hours a day 5 days a week and produce high quality work on a daily basis. I get paid for the work I do. People at my job that don't produce work, or produce low quality work on a continuing basis are fired without notice, and it doesn't take years for them to get fired.
Huk got paid for sitting around on his ass in a house he didn't have to pay rent on. He hasn't produced any work in years, much less high quality or on a daily basis, hence, he gets fired. Simple, really. He made a living playing video games for 5+ years, and for over half of that time he was irrelevant and produced absolutely nothing. I'd say he had a hell of a good run and has nothing to complain about, especially when compared to the majority of other professions/employers, and even more-so when compared to other pro gamers.
On January 05 2017 09:47 mrRoflpwn wrote: I don't think any of the old EG players are surprised that they closed a bunch of esport divisions, they jsut feel like it was done in a very pathetic way. EG could have done it in a much more graceful way. Writing even a short article about each player would have been enough.
It seems that EG is not willing to invest even one iota of their resources in this game anymore.
Dude got fired? Happens everyday. Most employers don't exactly keep you up to speed on situations like that...
Imagine your boss approaching you and saying "yeah so we're in talks about whether or not we should keep you... you'll find out 2 weeks from now, good luck!"
Imagine barely doing any work for your organization for several years and thus not providing any real value, and when the organization finally lets you off, you complain about about they fired you after all of your "loyaltity".
Yeah, let's get real here. I work 8+ hours a day 5 days a week and produce high quality work on a daily basis. I get paid for the work I do. People at my job that don't produce work, or produce low quality work on a continuing basis are fired without notice, and it doesn't take years for them to get fired.
Huk got paid for sitting around on his ass in a house he didn't have to pay rent on. He hasn't produced any work in years, much less high quality or on a daily basis, hence, he gets fired. Simple, really. He made a living playing video games for 5+ years, and for over half of that time he was irrelevant and produced absolutely nothing. I'd say he had a hell of a good run and has nothing to complain about, especially when compared to the majority of other professions/employers, and even more-so when compared to other pro gamers.
He hasn't been in the house for years so that part of the narrative is bunk. Underperforming or whatever? Sure I guess, though that would depend what he's making. If he's getting paid jack then doing jack is par for the course but we don't have any contract details. But he hasn't been counting stacks and laying around in a house in one of the most expensive cities on the planet on the team's dime.
On January 05 2017 09:47 mrRoflpwn wrote: I don't think any of the old EG players are surprised that they closed a bunch of esport divisions, they jsut feel like it was done in a very pathetic way. EG could have done it in a much more graceful way. Writing even a short article about each player would have been enough.
It seems that EG is not willing to invest even one iota of their resources in this game anymore.
What resources exactly? All the old EG staff works for Twitch now. Ana, Charlie, Kelby, Conrad, etc. All the media and behind the scenes folk got absorbed into Twitch. Who exactly are the resources now? Apparently PPD and Fear own the team. Fear coaches the DotA team, the DotA team has a manager Phil. Kodiak who is PPD's best friend manages the Fighting games and CoD. Who else is there? I don't even know honestly.
They're running a skeleton crew. All the DotA players are independently wealthy so they're an ecosystem unto themselves essentially. They're also by far the team's biggest asset commercially and competitively. Right now the organization is going to want to run lean. Make sure they don't need to make deals and take on sponsorships just for money, they can choose to be picky if they don't have a bloated staff that's hemorrhaging money.
I'm not aware of any media people currently. You're not going to get announcements of announcements and a bunch of video content. At least not right now. I'm sure the transition to PPD taking over is going to be rocky. He's a smart kid but this is new territory for him. There don't seem to be any resources to be spared right now even if they wanted to.
On January 05 2017 05:08 HugoBallzak wrote: I usually hate to brush people with such broad strokes but lets be real. A lot of the early sc2 pros and personalities let the game's modest success and popularity of the early years get to their heads and inflate their ego. We had a few foreigners making runs in GSL (such as huk) and at MLG (such as naniwa) or TSL (thorzain). Artosis and Tasteless became like caster gods and there was even a brief time when players and casters were sparring over who was getting more attention (lol ret's twitter). The whole scene kind of had a self-importance problem where everyone thought they were huge rock stars and untouchable. I went to an MLG and most foreigners and casters seemed to be unapproachable and a lot actually completely unwilling to speak to you or sign autographs. A lot of super awkward people to be honest who made you question why you should bother supporting them.
Eventually it was clear that most of these foreigners wouldn't amount to anything compared to Koreans and it became this huge issue where korea was supposedly stealing all of the foreigners money (note: it isn't your money if you don't win it). Some examples of smart people who got out because they realized the scene was becoming infinitesimal and not a great place to make a living anymore were people like idra, or stephano, or even tasteless - who seems to have 'lost his passion' early on and started working to integrate himself better into Korean culture for a possible future outside of the sc scene.
On the other hand we have people like huk or and incontrol who despite being on player contracts (at least huk) have not even COMPETED in their chosen game in years. These guys have been riding their early sc2 success way past its expiration so I find it really hard to feel at all bad about their 'feelings' of being 'tossed aside'. Try playing a team esport where players are signed and cut within months sometimes weeks because of a single bad tournament. These guys made a killing on an esport where most people involved didn't even make enough to live off of. They had an opportunity most in their chosen field didn't because of EG. Good for them.
Theres a reason players often didnt like to speak to fans, they'd get swarmed by dozens and dozens and be there for ages. In tandem with that they were playing on very odd schedules where they'd be jet lagged, playing from 7am to 2 am the next day. They're human they dont have to grovel at your feet, and sometimes, even asking a stranger for a hello is asking a lot.
That is fine, but compared to the Koreans (who have all those same excuses) the foreigners were a lot more standoffish. Just an observation.
Well, might of been anecdotal, but either way I wouldnt be surprised that a culture that teaches like, respect, submission, introversion and collectivism would 'suck it up' more than the individualistic culture of europe/north america, in respect to how they treat others.
gj HuK not making this into a clown fiesta and bash them publicly. HuK's statement was pretty good imo. Also shame on EG for not backing their players up.
On January 04 2017 02:26 Beelzebub1 wrote: The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL, I'm not sure why he's disappointed about anything, the guy pretty much got paid to do nothing.
On top of this he was always a low tier foreigner, never competitive on the scene even against other foreigners.
Best of luck to you HuK, nothing against you but meh, you should have retired years ago.
When HuK got signed from TL to EG he was one of the best foreign players. He's one of the worst examples to claim to have been low tier and uncompetetive. Check your facts: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/HuK
I also don't follow your logic where HuK being a nonfactor in recent years disallows him from having an opinion on recent developments or why he wouldn't be allowed to be disappointed by them. Weigh an opinion on it's merit, not on how you perceive the person that voiced it.
One of the worst examples to claim for being low tier and noncompetitive? His last achievement was in 2014, getting 3 - 1'd and taking second place at a low tier tournament against Major who is also a low tier foreign player. He also has a couple of low tier tournaments from the same year. His only real crowning moments were his victories back in 2011 against MC and Naniwa, that is a long long time ago now, HuK has been irrelevant in the scene for multiple years now.
Yea he was a top foreigner in WoL but you don't get paid for being the top 6 years ago and then for the last 2 years doing practically nothing.
I mean you literally said, word for word, "he was always a low tier foreigner" and now you're backtracking to say "yea he was a top foreigner in WoL"? (which at least is factually true)
Got a brainy one on our hands.
Wait a minute here.
The guy has hardly streamed or been relevant since WoL
he was always a low tier foreigner
From these quotes alone, you could interprete it as if the person actually meant LOW TIER after the gsl win. Looking at the whole package of what someone says can give you more accurate info. Something to think about before accusing someone.
Besides, abusing some strat in a new game i dont call that high tier lol I remember idra thinking he was a terrible player even after his wins back in wol and didnt want to practice with him.
I think the big problem according to Huk was that the new managers completely ignored other guys that weren't important to them. Being fired is fine, but I don't think Huk even got a word of it until very recently and that's not how you treat even the worst people in the company. You tell them in advance, explain the situation so that they can plan out their future well before. Even Kespa gave the indication well before; this is just a classic mistake on EG in a management perspective imo.
On January 04 2017 03:15 castleeMg wrote: i dont get why he made that statement with such bitterness, from what i understand EG is a business and he was hired as a SC2 progamer, which he did well at when sc2 was still somewhat big but receding in popularity. from what his teamliquid sc2 page indicates he hasn't posted results since 2014 and i know his stream wasn't bringing in huge numbers either. so he had to of known that his "free ride" with EG was going to end sometime soon but he makes it seem like they used him and left him out in the cold when i feel like it was the other way around. thats just from what i see i could be missing something and be wrong
Its about respect. No matter who you are. If you leave a company. People show respect and say good bye and good luck. Even regular worker at the factory get a small good bye party. It doesnt need to be big.
On the other side i dont believe huk has the right to complain publicly. Its between EG and Huk. If he has a problem, he has to talk to EG, not to us.
Dude got fired? Happens everyday. Most employers don't exactly keep you up to speed on situations like that...
Imagine your boss approaching you and saying "yeah so we're in talks about whether or not we should keep you... you'll find out 2 weeks from now, good luck!"
Imagine barely doing any work for your organization for several years and thus not providing any real value, and when the organization finally lets you off, you complain about about they fired you after all of your "loyaltity".
Yeah, let's get real here. I work 8+ hours a day 5 days a week and produce high quality work on a daily basis. I get paid for the work I do. People at my job that don't produce work, or produce low quality work on a continuing basis are fired without notice, and it doesn't take years for them to get fired.
Huk got paid for sitting around on his ass in a house he didn't have to pay rent on. He hasn't produced any work in years, much less high quality or on a daily basis, hence, he gets fired. Simple, really. He made a living playing video games for 5+ years, and for over half of that time he was irrelevant and produced absolutely nothing. I'd say he had a hell of a good run and has nothing to complain about, especially when compared to the majority of other professions/employers, and even more-so when compared to other pro gamers.
Finally someone with some balls speaking the damn truth, thank you sir.
On January 06 2017 00:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote: incontrol did videos 6+ weeks ago explaining his position that dissolution of the SC team was imminent. how could huk not know about this?
i guess he is complaining management did not talk to him directly?
he certainly could not have been totally blindsided by this decision of EGs new management.
It really feels like he managed to buy into the tournament hype of being a "community pillar" and other similar marketing crap. Nope, turns out he's just a dude.
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