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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
August 14 2016 16:52 GMT
#21
On August 15 2016 01:51 Deathstar wrote:
Make TvT great again!


Make TvT mech again!
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spown
Profile Joined October 2015
38 Posts
August 14 2016 16:52 GMT
#22
TvT finally playable, i'm so happy
Slayers_MMA is my hero
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
August 14 2016 16:52 GMT
#23
Not sure, we will see after some time but I definitely like that they are doing more drastic approach.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
August 14 2016 16:53 GMT
#24
On August 15 2016 01:47 Ej_ wrote:
on 1 hand I'm very happy that every whiner will shut up now and play his 100 eapm mech

on the other hand, I am not excited about mech cancer being back in full force


Mech was only cancer because it was so bad. Tanks were so awful you had no choice but to group the only tanks you had at one base, because you sure as hell didn't have the power to push.
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graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 14 2016 16:53 GMT
#25
I wish they removed the need to place autoturrets on a grid.

Great changes though
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
August 14 2016 16:53 GMT
#26
holy moley
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 14 2016 16:53 GMT
#27
Cannot really comment on these changes yet, have to think about it a little bit more.
Glad that they want to change things, upset that it's nothing about fundamental game mechanics like pathing, high ground, economy, etc.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 14 2016 16:54 GMT
#28
not a single mention about ultra armor
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 16:54:56
August 14 2016 16:54 GMT
#29
On August 15 2016 01:53 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2016 01:47 Ej_ wrote:
on 1 hand I'm very happy that every whiner will shut up now and play his 100 eapm mech

on the other hand, I am not excited about mech cancer being back in full force


Mech was only cancer because it was so bad. Tanks were so awful you had no choice but to group the only tanks you had at one base, because you sure as hell didn't have the power to push.

so what changes now, aside of tanks being even stronger in their deathball?

just because you can play in a less efficient way, doesn't mean you should
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
August 14 2016 16:54 GMT
#30
Fantastic changes, i hope most of them can make it through. I'm even down for the DT change if it comes with an increase to shrine build time.

This makes me so hopeful for the game, Blizz has handled LoTV so well compared to WoL and HotS, its night and day.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7118 Posts
August 14 2016 16:56 GMT
#31
On August 15 2016 01:49 Ansibled wrote:
I'm just glad TvT isn't going to be awful with the tank drops.

Now, it'll just be awful with mech :D
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-16 04:53:04
August 14 2016 16:58 GMT
#32
Wow that's a lot of changes. I'm pretty sure there's going to be several things that will end up being broken along the way, but as long as they can be resolved in the off-season... The things that worries me the most is that with the new changes the Tempest becomes a lot worse with dealing with ranged liberators.

edit: oh nvm. Only anti-ground range being changed.
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
August 14 2016 16:58 GMT
#33
Goodbye retarded flying tank TvT
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 17:01:01
August 14 2016 17:00 GMT
#34
Really really interesting changes, I like how it's mostly buffs and not nerfs (aside from the Liberator).
Interesting cyclone redesign, I always thought that in its current state it would always either be broken or useless. (atm it's a very niche unit so it's leaning towards useless )
Also super happy about Tankivac removal, never liked them from the start.
I still don't like adepts though, I hope they won't be a core unit anymore
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RuneZerg
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark90 Posts
August 14 2016 17:01 GMT
#35
On August 15 2016 01:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Wow that's a lot of changes. I'm pretty sure there's going to be several things that will end up being broken along the way, but as long as they can be resolved in the off-season... The things that worries me the most is that with the new changes the Tempest becomes a lot worse with dealing with ranged liberators.


they arent changing tempest air-air range
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10082 Posts
August 14 2016 17:02 GMT
#36
bye bye tankivacs
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
August 14 2016 17:02 GMT
#37
I don't care about mech, but I really hated medivacs picking up tanks, so I'm happy.
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-14 17:11:13
August 14 2016 17:04 GMT
#38
Why 4 months of waiting???

This is where Blizzard fails continuously. They are just too damn slow to implement radical changes. Look at what happened to Diablo 3.

However,

the changes would be a dream come true. And I might actually start playing this game again.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
August 14 2016 17:04 GMT
#39
Holy shit, time to switch to Terran if those changes happen
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 14 2016 17:04 GMT
#40
I'm hoping that if they'll also be open to trying out other changes during the testing period and not just tweaking the ones in the blog.
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