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I can't believe they are seriously considering the larva buff it seems they don't understand how big of a differnce this will make.
In Lotv the macro mechanics of all 3 races got nerfed. Revert one macro mechanic without touching the others will break the game.
On another hand it's so surprising and weird that tvz is terran favored in korea but even/zerg favored everywhere else. Such a situation has never happened before and I really wonder what's the reason for that.
Imo DK should wait a little bit to see if korean zergs are just playing bad atm considering Dark is still doing perfectly fine in zvt and korea is the only place where zergs are doing bad.
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On June 11 2016 06:43 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 06:39 Zulu23 wrote:
I mean NO chance is a very drastic statment, right? especially today.
Innovation may not at his best form, it may also that the best macro terrans skill set may fit not the late game tvz balance.
Maru and TY are very different in play style, they mix dirty stuff in that is definitely not overpowered, too.
imho zerg need to play often more agressive early game. Zerg agression is quite weak in lotv compared to hots/wol early game as terrans now open mostly 2 base builds (roach bane etc in hots was targeted to beat 3cc openings for the most part)
Of course those terrans feel like they have to do this because the longer the game the smaller the chance of winning. If the late game was more even, terrans wouldn't 2 base as much, and zerg aggression would be more viable in the meta. It isn't just because of tankivacs or whatever, it's because of the entire metagame.
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On June 11 2016 06:39 Zulu23 wrote:
I mean NO chance is a very drastic statment, right? especially today.
Innovation may not at his best form, it may also that the best macro terrans skill set may fit not the late game tvz balance.
Maru and TY are very different in play style, they mix dirty stuff in that is definitely not overpowered, too.
imho zerg need to play often more agressive early game.
No chance is an exaggeration I agree but Terran certainly is favored in the match up. I actually think, going from todays match, Inno is in pretty good shape. Certainly the best shape he's been in in LotV. God damned GSL (lack of) seeding :/
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On June 11 2016 06:48 TheWinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 06:43 Scarlett` wrote:On June 11 2016 06:39 Zulu23 wrote:
I mean NO chance is a very drastic statment, right? especially today.
Innovation may not at his best form, it may also that the best macro terrans skill set may fit not the late game tvz balance.
Maru and TY are very different in play style, they mix dirty stuff in that is definitely not overpowered, too.
imho zerg need to play often more agressive early game. Zerg agression is quite weak in lotv compared to hots/wol early game as terrans now open mostly 2 base builds (roach bane etc in hots was targeted to beat 3cc openings for the most part) Of course those terrans feel like they have to do this because the longer the game the smaller the chance of winning.
A moderate imbalance that happens early in the game is more important than a massive imbalance later on because the earlier ones affect way more games in a bigger way
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Lol it's not that Zerg is weak in Korea in my opinion. It's just that no Zerg player stands out in Korea because Korean Protoss and Terran players are too good. I can't think of any good Korean Zerg players outside of SoO, ByuL, Solar, and Dark.
If Blizzard goes through with that larvae change, we're going to have a hell of a bad time like the end of Wings of Liberty.
By the way, why isn't Blizzard addressing Tankivacs?
Edit: Just saw this on Reddit. This is actually a really smart change.
If you don't want Zerg Larva to be op in the early game maybe go with this;
Hatchery: 3 Larva per inject
Lair: 4 Larva per inject
Hive: 5 Larva per Inject
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On June 11 2016 06:55 geokilla wrote:
Lol it's not that Zerg is weak in Korea in my opinion. It's just that no Zerg player stands out in Korea because Korean Protoss and Terran players are too good. I can't think of any good Korean Zerg players outside of SoO, ByuL, Solar, and Dark.
If Blizzard goes through with that larvae change, we're going to have a hell of a bad time like the end of Wings of Liberty.
By the way, why isn't Blizzard addressing Tankivacs?
Because they're too in love with the so called "cool factor" to notice that they're really, really stupid.
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On June 11 2016 06:41 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +If you wanna go real crazy here, you can buff queen damage vs armored across the board. To help vs tanks, stalkers, immortals, marauders, even early roaches and nydus worm (zvz). If one doesn't want Overlords to be affected by this change, just remove overlord's armored tag. That's pretty horrifying for PvZ. Early queen drop is one of the more powerful all-ins and buffing queen damage against stalkers and all buildings (overcharged pylons etc) while also making overlords take very little damage from the only available anti-air unit would be very bad. That would also affect the midgame with overlords dropping units as there is a large reliance on stalkers (which do low damage vs light, moderate damage vs armored) for anti-air Do we also really want to turn queens into the zerg-MSC? The fallout from the WOL queen range buff was one of the worst times in the expansion IMO and queens already have quite a bit of power.
oops T_T i forgot about drop ... yeah, agreed
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On June 11 2016 06:55 geokilla wrote:
Lol it's not that Zerg is weak in Korea in my opinion. It's just that no Zerg player stands out in Korea because Korean Protoss and Terran players are too good. I can't think of any good Korean Zerg players outside of SoO, ByuL, Solar, and Dark.
If Blizzard goes through with that larvae change, we're going to have a hell of a bad time like the end of Wings of Liberty.
By the way, why isn't Blizzard addressing Tankivacs?
Pretty sure the last time Blizzard thought about changing tankivacs, the Koreans told them not to change such a key unit while the season is ongoing, while they got a lot of people telling them tankivacs are cool. And thus the issue was dropped forever.
On June 11 2016 06:56 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 06:55 geokilla wrote:
Lol it's not that Zerg is weak in Korea in my opinion. It's just that no Zerg player stands out in Korea because Korean Protoss and Terran players are too good. I can't think of any good Korean Zerg players outside of SoO, ByuL, Solar, and Dark.
If Blizzard goes through with that larvae change, we're going to have a hell of a bad time like the end of Wings of Liberty.
By the way, why isn't Blizzard addressing Tankivacs? Because they're too in love with the so called "cool factor" to notice that they're really, really stupid.
The cool factor of the carrier is that it's almost never used. Never forget.
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On June 11 2016 04:36 TriX_sc2 wrote:
I think the general consensus is that korean zergs are just bad and eu zergs could win code s. In the european community, that is.
At the moment I seriously think nerchio and snute are not far behind if not better than non-Dark korean zergs.
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On June 11 2016 06:59 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 04:36 TriX_sc2 wrote:
I think the general consensus is that korean zergs are just bad and eu zergs could win code s. In the european community, that is. At the moment I seriously think nerchio and snute are not far behind if not better than non-Dark korean zergs.
Artosis said in a q&a in one of his last streams that he thinks Nerchio is legit code S level.
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On June 11 2016 06:55 geokilla wrote:Lol it's not that Zerg is weak in Korea in my opinion. It's just that no Zerg player stands out in Korea because Korean Protoss and Terran players are too good. I can't think of any good Korean Zerg players outside of SoO, ByuL, Solar, and Dark. If Blizzard goes through with that larvae change, we're going to have a hell of a bad time like the end of Wings of Liberty. By the way, why isn't Blizzard addressing Tankivacs? Edit: Just saw this on Reddit. This is actually a really smart change. Show nested quote +If you don't want Zerg Larva to be op in the early game maybe go with this;
Hatchery: 3 Larva per inject
Lair: 4 Larva per inject
Hive: 5 Larva per Inject
Amazing how a generally good post can have such a ridiculous beginning. Trolling fading into reason
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Zerg agression is quite weak in lotv compared to hots/wol early game as terrans now open mostly 2 base builds
I think this is because 3cc is dead because of Roach/Ravenger play, Nydus and Overlord drops
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On June 11 2016 07:02 Zidaneix142 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 06:59 Charoisaur wrote:On June 11 2016 04:36 TriX_sc2 wrote:
I think the general consensus is that korean zergs are just bad and eu zergs could win code s. In the european community, that is. At the moment I seriously think nerchio and snute are not far behind if not better than non-Dark korean zergs. Artosis said in a q&a in one of his last streams that he thinks Nerchio is legit code S level.
I'm sure Nerchio is legit Code S level. He plays a lot smarter than many Korean Zergs.
But of course, since he's a foreigner, if he actually tried to qualify for Korean leagues, he'd get some ridiculous draw in Code A. Because Korea is nice like that.
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I really dont get how kespa pros think zerg was that weak against terran. At the moment there just are no really outstanding zergs. And no zerg seems to play a reactive style anymore. Its all about teching up to ultras in the most passive way possible. As terran you can start to blindcounter that of course. And roach ravager seems to be figured out as well.
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On June 11 2016 06:59 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 04:36 TriX_sc2 wrote:
I think the general consensus is that korean zergs are just bad and eu zergs could win code s. In the european community, that is. At the moment I seriously think nerchio and snute are not far behind if not better than non-Dark korean zergs.
That would be quite easy to see ... let Nerchio and Snute play vs. Gumiho, Ryung, Cure, eventually Inno.
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With Life gone it's clear zerg doesn't look as bright atm.
Take away maru and zest from t/p and they wouldn't look as strong either.
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On June 11 2016 07:11 Charoisaur wrote:
With Life gone it's clear zerg doesn't look as bright atm.
Take away maru and zest from t/p and they wouldn't look as strong either.
Terran would still have TY (and ByuN for online games!) and Protoss would still have Stats, Classic, Dear and herO (plus sOs the moment he comes into form). If Dark wasn't there Zerg would be in a way worse spot in Korea than that.
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On June 11 2016 06:59 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 04:36 TriX_sc2 wrote:
I think the general consensus is that korean zergs are just bad and eu zergs could win code s. In the european community, that is. At the moment I seriously think nerchio and snute are not far behind if not better than non-Dark korean zergs.
I like the way they play ZvT much better (ZvP is harder to compare due to how different Korean and foreign PvZ is at the moment).
However it's harder to evaluate how everything else (multi-tasking, handling harass etc) compare.
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Tempest are still 4 supply.
Mech is still unplayable at pro level.
Nydus Worm is still invulnerable.
All of the above could easily be fixed and would make the game better.
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