EPTOn June 11 2016 04:25 Elentos wrote:
Nobody makes disruptors in Korean PvZ but the Zergs still switched to ling/bane. Go figure.
Nobody makes disruptors in Korean PvZ but the Zergs still switched to ling/bane. Go figure.
Ok disruptors AND immortals.
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insitelol
845 Posts
Ok disruptors AND immortals. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3413 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:25 Elentos wrote: The problem is that Terran is overwhelmingly strong against Zerg in the mid game. So basically when Zerg has no spellcaster units on the field. And I don't think that Korean Zergs are behind in the meta either, although it might be that Korean Terrans & Protosses are ahead of their non-Korean equivalents (in both meta and skill). [ Larvae is definitely the reason Ling/Bane/Muta isn't more popular and that style has the most umph mid game. Fair enough, but doesn't change the fact that this would make WCS even more of a ZvZ fest. | ||
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raff100
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
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TriX_sc2
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pr0n3d91
18 Posts
The leading suggestion to test on this front so far is bringing the spawn larva count up from 3 to 4. Damn, this is bad. I hope Blizzard can find an alternative change for Zerg other than this 'leading suggestion.' | ||
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Topin
Peru10082 Posts
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NicolasJohnson
30 Posts
If it happens to be too extreme after internal testing, then I would recommend making larvae spawn a bit faster. A liberator range nerf and an adept nerf also might help (like really) if the larvae change seems op. | ||
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insitelol
845 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:36 TriX_sc2 wrote: I think the general consensus is that korean zergs are just bad and eu zergs could win code s. In the european community, that is. This. | ||
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
Larva to 4? sure, and make ultralisks fly as well.... | ||
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:37 NicolasJohnson wrote: I find the larva suggestion actually smart, because you cannot buff the actual UNITS, like a zergling buff would be way too huge. If it happens to be too extreme after internal testing, then I would recommend making larvae spawn a bit faster. A liberator range nerf and an adept nerf also might help (like really) if the larvae change seems op. That's actually a good idea. I would love if they tested an increased larva spawn rate on the hatchery before going back to 4 per inject. This would also make macro hatches more attractive. | ||
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KatatoniK
United Kingdom978 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:25 insitelol wrote: Protoss is ridiculously op atm. Zerg is stuck with hots units (lurker is debatable, but overall not usable) while protoss has an addition of an adept which has insane harass and allin potential (especially with a new prism) and disruptor that is the ONLY reason all zergs are forced to play ling bane, which again are countered by adepts alone. And then they got air deathball. Good to be protoss nowadays. Odd... I can't remember the last time my PvZ winrate wasn't below 30%. Oh wait, yes I do. Back in HotS. Protoss does not need nerfing at all, PvT is in a nice spot but PvZ has been horrific since beta and the collossus buff hasn't helped a bit. All Zerg have to do is continue to tech switch and harrass expansions that Protoss can't defend and win easily. Upping the larva spawn rate isn't going to fix TvZ issues at all while making PvZ even more problematic. Blizz need to identify what exactly is causing the issue (I bet it's liberators or something) and nerf accordingly. | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
While this might come as a bit of a surprise, we’re still getting a lot of feedback from specific Korean pro players that Zerg has no chance vs. Terran. "no chance" is a pretty strong choice of wording, considering Dark went 3-2 against Innovation last night. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:44 KatatoniK wrote: Odd... I can't remember the last time my PvZ winrate wasn't below 30%. Oh wait, yes I do. Back in HotS. Protoss does not need nerfing at all, PvT is in a nice spot but PvZ has been horrific since beta and the collossus buff hasn't helped a bit. All Zerg have to do is continue to tech switch and harrass expansions that Protoss can't defend and win easily. Upping the larva spawn rate isn't going to fix TvZ issues at all while making PvZ even more problematic. Blizz need to identify what exactly is causing the issue (I bet it's liberators or something) and nerf accordingly. Protoss has the upperhand vs Zerg as well (albeit way less drastically than in TvZ) all of the changes proposed by Blizz in the feedback are aimed at Korean pro level, since that's the only scene relevant to balance On June 11 2016 04:46 Kinky wrote: "no chance" is a pretty strong choice of wording, considering Dark went 3-2 against Innovation last night. the best Zerg and top 4 player in the world barely winning a bo5 vs someone who didn't qualify for Code S last season and this one didn't even qualify for SSL. Go figure. | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:46 Kinky wrote: "no chance" is a pretty strong choice of wording, considering Dark went 3-2 against Innovation last night. Well, he's the best Zerg in the world. If even he had no chance they'd have no reason to wait with buffing Zerg. | ||
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NicolasJohnson
30 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:46 Kinky wrote: "no chance" is a pretty strong choice of wording, considering Dark went 3-2 against Innovation last night. Dark being probably the best zerg in the world, and winning by the skin of his teeth 3-2 after what looked like a won game for Innovation who took really bad fights, incomprehensibly, I wouldn't let this series be an indicator of zerg being able to rival terran. | ||
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Scarlett`
Canada2386 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:36 TriX_sc2 wrote: I think the general consensus is that korean zergs are just bad and eu zergs could win code s. In the european community, that is. i wish we had global events so people would see this just isnt true | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Why would you build banelings against immortals. The banelings are there to beat adepts, and they do a pretty good job at it. On June 11 2016 04:44 KatatoniK wrote: Odd... I can't remember the last time my PvZ winrate wasn't below 30%. Oh wait, yes I do. Back in HotS. Protoss does not need nerfing at all, PvT is in a nice spot but PvZ has been horrific since beta and the collossus buff hasn't helped a bit. All Zerg have to do is continue to tech switch and harrass expansions that Protoss can't defend and win easily. Upping the larva spawn rate isn't going to fix TvZ issues at all while making PvZ even more problematic. Blizz need to identify what exactly is causing the issue (I bet it's liberators or something) and nerf accordingly. Your PvZ winrate is about as relevant to the balance of the game as the weather forecast. | ||
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Elentos
55553 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:48 Scarlett` wrote: i wish we had global events so people would see this just isnt true If you keep wishing, maybe eventually we'll get 1. Maybe. Possibly. | ||
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