Community Feedback Update - June 10 - Page 4

i think the zvt shown in kr matches so far hasn't been that great, still a lot of inferior choices when it comes to unit compositions and quite a bit of bad zerg play overall, give it more time i'd say. i'm one of the leading zvt players in europe and i see a ton of mistakes in kr zvt matches but at the same time i know that most people reading this won't take my feedback too seriously since i haven't beaten enough kespa players at international events or shown enough dominance in the zvt matchup for now.

but, i can come up with a bunch of suggestions and alternatives that probably are superior to the larva change/buffing the entire zerg standard macro development hard.

ok so: larva buff suggestions hints at the balance issue from kr zergs being an early game complaint. Macro hatches can be afforded pretty easily later on to be honest, so i'll make early game suggestions:

Look into:
- tankivac properties
- medivac movement speed (boost)
- medivac unload speed
- medivac healing speed
- medivac hitpoints.
unfortunately a lot of these changes would affect PvT and TvT as well.
Queen anti air vs armored buff could also be a consideration, this will affect Liberator/MSC/Voidray/Medivac/Overlord/Warp Prism, so this might not be a bad change for early game defense. If you wanna go real crazy here, you can buff queen damage vs armored across the board. To help vs tanks, stalkers, immortals, marauders, even early roaches and nydus worm (zvz). If one doesn't want Overlords to be affected by this change, just remove overlord's armored tag. Would also buff overlords vs voidrays which is a welcome change i think, sry protoss, personally i think they die way too fast to voidray buttonpress atm.

one could also add 1-3 seconds on reaper build time, reduce reaper grenade knockback duration/distance and reduce damage slightly. or nerf reaper damage by 1, i prefer nerfing the grenade though. tweaking queen build time is another opportunity but it's a really dangerous thing to start tweaking and not very pleasant i think.

Ok, next would be liberator AtG, siege/unsiege speed, radius, range, rate of fire, etc. but i don't think the liberator is that much of an issue right now. if queens do more damage vs armored air, it would be a bit easier to defend against at the very least.

Another nerf would be to change the widow mine splash radius slightly (gradual damage radius or just a 10-20% splash size nerf) to preserve more lings/banelings/drones upon impact, for the zergs that for whatever reason play without ravagers still.

Hokay i think that anything of this would be more than enough to fix any kind of imbalance kr zergs might be experiencing.

Larva from 3 to 4 shouldn't be a thing. it goes against all kinds of common sense at this point. you don't want to buff the standard macro development in every single match-up now, of all times. protoss are already getting nervous and queens are garbage enough in zvz as it is

when i first heard this line from kr zergs i thought it was the newest balance meme on the block, didn't think it was serious tbh. but like i mentioned earlier, maybe they know what they're talking about and i'm just an european zerg, so yeah. personally i think the match-up is quite balanced, but certain map features can become disadvantageous for zerg. mostly revolving around 3rax reaper and tankivac strength - so map pool is quite important. on the topic of maps: if you revert to 4 larva it's pretty obvious that maps where you can protect your 3rd well with gasless (dusk towers) will just go completely out of control in favor of zerg.


fungal bile is strong as it is and doesn't need any tweaks, if it's removed from the matchup or if fungal projectile speed/range is nerfed even further i can agree that it will be imbalanced in favor of terran but fungal atm is not underpowered in zvt, only zvp (they need to make it trigger immortal autoshields and maybe add a very minor damage increase vs armored)


i just cannot imagine that larva count is the issue in zvt, most players are good at spending their money and aren't exactly at larva shortage ... asking for better early game economy development is basically saying 'my race currently sucks too hard at least until 200/200'... but economy in lotv, larva, was limited for very good reasons since the other races had their macro mechanics nerfed too. right?

later on in the game larva does not matter because zergs know how to inject well enough or build a macro hatch. and zvt if it were to be imbalanced is definitely not about saving 300 minerals, it's most likely about medivac strength if i were to make a guess, or about the strength of any of the units i mentioned in my above list.

another change i would like to mention is to reduce the recede rate of creep ever so slightly if 2CC TANK or 3CC MMMM allins are identified as a major issue.

okay that should be about it i think just my euro zerg cents