EPTBlizzard statement and ruling on WCS win-trading - Page 10
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Aegwynn
Italy460 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On April 15 2016 07:09 Kerence wrote: Didn't they already say why they punished Major but no one else?... I don't see why this is unclear or needs further explaining at all? On April 15 2016 07:14 Elentos wrote: Well, what are you supposed to do? If your opponent intends to give you a win and you don't want that, it's not like you can reject the ladder points when he leaves the game. So either you get punished along with the other guy, even though you wanted to play a fair game, or neither of you get punished even though one was clearly doing something that's not acceptable. If you can prove that one wanted to give the wins away but can't prove the recipients wanted the free points, what do you do? Only punish the one where you can prove the guilt because you don't want to unfairly punish someone who couldn't "defend themselves" in this situation; or punish everyone involved but risk wronging the vast majority of of suspects? All under the assumption that they have irrefutable evidence against MajOr, of course. What do you do? You report Major. Imagine if a bank employee is giving away free money, and I knowingly take money knowing the bank employee has no right to give away. Did I do anything wrong? Guess what, I did! And I can be arrested for it. So those guys could have immediately let Blizzard know and Blizzard could have taken away the ladders points Major gave them, ect. Did anyone turn Major in? I guess we won't know that, maybe everyone did, but that isn't what Blizzard said. Blizzard just said he was giving away free wins, so they punished him. By the way, this whole thing is made so much easier if Blizzard just doesn't use ladder and has real qualifiers. I imagine that a more legitimate sport would investigate more if someone was giving away free wins and other players knowingly accepted them without reporting that player. Especially if they used those wins to advance their position in the standings. Because it isn't just about the person giving the free stuff away. The people who accept the free stuff have responsibilities too. Forget the law, if you see a crime you have a moral obligation to report it. Otherwise, you're just part of the problem. The moral decay of society has just about consumed everything huh... what do you do... The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein | ||
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tokinho
United States785 Posts
I guess the damage done is basically marinelord, DNS, and major may not play sc2 anymore. Maybe a dozen or so other players will never return after this. I'm not a big fan over ambiguity about Bly, or other gamers, blaming major and not doing showing the games publicly. | ||
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Jealous
10108 Posts
On April 15 2016 11:06 tokinho wrote: Hey they have a full rulebook now  Basically killed 3 of the hardest training players chances. I think marinelord, DNS, and a dozen or so other players will never return after this. Purging cheaters, stat abusers, is for the best. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On April 15 2016 10:00 sAsImre wrote: he doesn't shared it. He did the most stupid thing which is give a win to bunny because he likes him, saying it in the chat. that's pretty much what major did, and since major claimed that he didn't used the barcode (and you can prove it easily) it's exactly the same thing. Ya it is pretty easy to see if Major was using the account, Blizzard flat out said he had access and both Major and Marnroord admitted it. We only have Major's word that he didn't use it during competition, but Blizz is accusing him of using it during that time... Plus you're ignoring all the games Major threw on NA on his face own account. | ||
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DrBell1
1 Post
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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Quineotio
Australia128 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:17 NonY wrote: Why shouldn't they publish the proof? If they're 100% sure they made zero errors and no judgment calls were involved? Personally I want to know how they proved major was lying. What was the evidence that made it conclusive, as opposed to the inconclusive cases that only resulted in warnings? Why do you deserve to see the proof? Do you think the public are better positioned to make a decision than Blizzard? Should there be a detailed public review of every decision made by Blizzard, or is this a special case? Are you asking for a public trial instead of an internal investigation? If so, how would you conduct this to make sure it's fair? How do you ensure player privacy? Should private chat logs and match history be released to the public whenever anyone is accused of something, or only when "convicted"? If you are releasing private chat logs, how far back do you go - a month? 6 months? If there are confidential, personal elements to the communications between players, should the incriminating parts be cut out and presented out of context (i.e. private sections removed)? If you are censoring private information, who is responsible for the censorship? Or do you feel that you personally should be involved? | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
So I decide to maybe start watching some foreigner stuff because that's what the new WCS is supposed to be promoting and... this is what we get? A ladder that was designed for bragging rights becomes a primary tournament qualifying grounds without any changes to how it works at all? And just so people will take it seriously, we ban like 60% of the semi-interesting players in the entire region? I can hardly stand Major as a personality but at least he can play the fucking game! I give up on this. There are so many other games out there now that are interesting to watch, SC2 has become 3 parts idiocy and shenanigans for every 1 part of semi-interesting thing that happens. Wake me up if SC3 or WC4 ever show up, until then I'll go watch Street Fighter V or something. | ||
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Jealous
10108 Posts
On April 15 2016 12:28 Advantageous wrote: I don't honestly believe majOr would do something like this... especially when blizzard wont release the evidence they have gathered... Why do you not believe it? He himself admitted to leaving during countdown timer. On April 15 2016 12:55 Quineotio wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2016 05:17 NonY wrote: Why shouldn't they publish the proof? If they're 100% sure they made zero errors and no judgment calls were involved? Personally I want to know how they proved major was lying. What was the evidence that made it conclusive, as opposed to the inconclusive cases that only resulted in warnings? Why do you deserve to see the proof? Do you think the public are better positioned to make a decision than Blizzard? Should there be a detailed public review of every decision made by Blizzard, or is this a special case? Are you asking for a public trial instead of an internal investigation? If so, how would you conduct this to make sure it's fair? How do you ensure player privacy? Should private chat logs and match history be released to the public whenever anyone is accused of something, or only when "convicted"? If you are releasing private chat logs, how far back do you go - a month? 6 months? If there are confidential, personal elements to the communications between players, should the incriminating parts be cut out and presented out of context (i.e. private sections removed)? If you are censoring private information, who is responsible for the censorship? Or do you feel that you personally should be involved? Quality post, A+ | ||
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blamekilly
466 Posts
On April 15 2016 11:12 Wuster wrote: Ya it is pretty easy to see if Major was using the account, Blizzard flat out said he had access and both Major and Marnroord admitted it. We only have Major's word that he didn't use it during competition, but Blizz is accusing him of using it during that time... Plus you're ignoring all the games Major threw on NA on his face own account. Aaahhhhh.... Where does it say MajOr used the barcode account to win trade during WCS competition? | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
Why is Nony so mad about this? It only helps future competition. I hope all players involved in this take it now more seriously or at least try harder to punish the system  . | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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phodacbiet
United States1739 Posts
Is the system bad? Probably. But like most Blizzard's bad ideas, it takes a long time to fix (lol Diablo 3). We may not like that these players are DQ'ed and banned. But maybe they shouldn't have tried to exploit a shitty system and expect nothing to happen. Just because the system is bad, doesn't mean you should win-trade. They are only salty because Blizzard finally caught them. | ||
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Shortizz
Singapore129 Posts
Its a rule, you broke it, you get banned. Dont share account kids. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On April 15 2016 10:49 BronzeKnee wrote: What do you do? You report Major. Imagine if a bank employee is giving away free money, and I knowingly take money knowing the bank employee has no right to give away. Did I do anything wrong? Guess what, I did! And I can be arrested for it. So those guys could have immediately let Blizzard know and Blizzard could have taken away the ladders points Major gave them, ect. Did anyone turn Major in? I guess we won't know that, maybe everyone did, but that isn't what Blizzard said. Blizzard just said he was giving away free wins, so they punished him. By the way, this whole thing is made so much easier if Blizzard just doesn't use ladder and has real qualifiers. I imagine that a more legitimate sport would investigate more if someone was giving away free wins and other players knowingly accepted them without reporting that player. Especially if they used those wins to advance their position in the standings. Because it isn't just about the person giving the free stuff away. The people who accept the free stuff have responsibilities too. Forget the law, if you see a crime you have a moral obligation to report it. Otherwise, you're just part of the problem. The moral decay of society has just about consumed everything huh... what do you do... The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein We don't know how many games major threw nor who against and how many were against the same people. If it was only one or two, most guys wouldnt think he was doing anything weird. | ||
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On April 15 2016 13:42 jmbthirteen wrote: We don't know how many games major threw nor who against and how many were against the same people. If it was only one or two, most guys wouldnt think he was doing anything weird. Major himself admits that there were multiple suspicious games. Major's first statement Major's second statement | ||
Poopi
France12762 Posts
Hopefully more people will do a Shadown till this system isn't used anymore. | ||
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Lil_nooblet
United States459 Posts
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