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On April 15 2016 09:26 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:16 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 15 2016 09:08 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:05 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:03 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 08:55 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 08:49 Caihead wrote:
Best case scenario for MajOr: MajOr was associated with a matchfixer by account sharing an account that would be used in the matchfixing, he never intended to matchfix any matches nor was he on the barcode account at the time when it lost matches to DnS. Wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong company. If anything MajOr should be angry at Marinelord for matchfixing with an account that would implicate him. Yes. Unfortunately even if he's "morally" innocent, he deserves the punishment cause he still broke the rules. almost every pro share accounts, so every pro should be suspended. Fair enough. If they catch them, suspend them. It's against the Terms. so we delete wcs, gsl, pl and we move on to hots since everyone is doing it? re-read what they say : We identified a significant number of matches by MajOr in which he immediately forfeited the match. A number of other replays were examined, and along with the chat in those games, the records indicate MajOr was deliberately awarding winsIt's not just sharing accounts, don't act as if you don't see it. Shadown did exactly what major did, giving win to someone without actual collusion with this person (bunny) and nothing happened. The inconsistency is almost as bad as the fact they're using the ladder to qualify for a qualifier.
No you misread, this.
Had Shadown been qualified for the EU qualifier, he would have been banned from the competition. Afaik, shadown is not a guy we might see in DH Tours, right? so no need to ban him.
Bunny on the other hand, is not punished, just has the people who Major gave wins to, because there is no evidence that they asked for it, just like Bunny apparently did not ask for a free win.
So it is totally consistent.
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On April 15 2016 09:33 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:31 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:29 Silvana wrote:
Guys it's written right there...
the records indicate MajOr was deliberately awarding wins
he's not the only one who did that. But Blizzard couldn't prove it for others...
it's proven for shadown
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On April 15 2016 09:35 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:33 Silvana wrote:On April 15 2016 09:31 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:29 Silvana wrote:
Guys it's written right there...
the records indicate MajOr was deliberately awarding wins
he's not the only one who did that. But Blizzard couldn't prove it for others... it's proven for shadown
But what do you expect Blizzard to do with shadown?? "Ban" him?? he is not even a competitor...
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On April 15 2016 09:34 Gwavajuice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:26 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:16 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 15 2016 09:08 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:05 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:03 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 08:55 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 08:49 Caihead wrote:
Best case scenario for MajOr: MajOr was associated with a matchfixer by account sharing an account that would be used in the matchfixing, he never intended to matchfix any matches nor was he on the barcode account at the time when it lost matches to DnS. Wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong company. If anything MajOr should be angry at Marinelord for matchfixing with an account that would implicate him. Yes. Unfortunately even if he's "morally" innocent, he deserves the punishment cause he still broke the rules. almost every pro share accounts, so every pro should be suspended. Fair enough. If they catch them, suspend them. It's against the Terms. so we delete wcs, gsl, pl and we move on to hots since everyone is doing it? re-read what they say : We identified a significant number of matches by MajOr in which he immediately forfeited the match. A number of other replays were examined, and along with the chat in those games, the records indicate MajOr was deliberately awarding winsIt's not just sharing accounts, don't act as if you don't see it. Shadown did exactly what major did, giving win to someone without actual collusion with this person (bunny) and nothing happened. The inconsistency is almost as bad as the fact they're using the ladder to qualify for a qualifier. No you misread, this. Had Shadown been qualified for the EU qualifier, he would have been banned from the competition. Afaik, shadown is not a guy we might see in DH Tours, right? so no need to ban him. Bunny on the other hand, is not punished, just has the people who Major gave wins to, because there is no evidence that they asked for it, just like Bunny apparently did not ask for a free win. So it is totally consistent.
MajOr and Shadown did the same thing, everyone is sharing accounts but only Major gets ban. People get warning for similar incident as Major but aren't revealed. And that's consistent.
Not mentionning what Bly did in the 1st run.
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On April 15 2016 09:33 Fran_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:08 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:05 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:03 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 08:55 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 08:49 Caihead wrote:
Best case scenario for MajOr: MajOr was associated with a matchfixer by account sharing an account that would be used in the matchfixing, he never intended to matchfix any matches nor was he on the barcode account at the time when it lost matches to DnS. Wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong company. If anything MajOr should be angry at Marinelord for matchfixing with an account that would implicate him. Yes. Unfortunately even if he's "morally" innocent, he deserves the punishment cause he still broke the rules. almost every pro share accounts, so every pro should be suspended. Fair enough. If they catch them, suspend them. It's against the Terms. so we delete wcs, gsl, pl and we move on to hots since everyone is doing it? If EVERYONE is involved yes. If the pro community can't follow the Terms of Contract, it doesn't deserve to be a pro community. But I'm sure this is not the case.
Even though it's technically against the ToU Blizzard doesn't care about account sharing except when it pertains to more severe offences such as this.
On April 15 2016 09:40 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:35 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:33 Silvana wrote:On April 15 2016 09:31 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:29 Silvana wrote:
Guys it's written right there...
the records indicate MajOr was deliberately awarding wins
he's not the only one who did that. But Blizzard couldn't prove it for others... it's proven for shadown But what do you expect Blizzard to do with shadown?? "Ban" him?? he is not even a competitor...
They could ban his account I guess.
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On April 15 2016 09:41 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:34 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 15 2016 09:26 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:16 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 15 2016 09:08 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:05 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:03 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 08:55 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 08:49 Caihead wrote:
Best case scenario for MajOr: MajOr was associated with a matchfixer by account sharing an account that would be used in the matchfixing, he never intended to matchfix any matches nor was he on the barcode account at the time when it lost matches to DnS. Wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong company. If anything MajOr should be angry at Marinelord for matchfixing with an account that would implicate him. Yes. Unfortunately even if he's "morally" innocent, he deserves the punishment cause he still broke the rules. almost every pro share accounts, so every pro should be suspended. Fair enough. If they catch them, suspend them. It's against the Terms. so we delete wcs, gsl, pl and we move on to hots since everyone is doing it? re-read what they say : We identified a significant number of matches by MajOr in which he immediately forfeited the match. A number of other replays were examined, and along with the chat in those games, the records indicate MajOr was deliberately awarding winsIt's not just sharing accounts, don't act as if you don't see it. Shadown did exactly what major did, giving win to someone without actual collusion with this person (bunny) and nothing happened. The inconsistency is almost as bad as the fact they're using the ladder to qualify for a qualifier. No you misread, this. Had Shadown been qualified for the EU qualifier, he would have been banned from the competition. Afaik, shadown is not a guy we might see in DH Tours, right? so no need to ban him. Bunny on the other hand, is not punished, just has the people who Major gave wins to, because there is no evidence that they asked for it, just like Bunny apparently did not ask for a free win. So it is totally consistent. MajOr and Shadown did the same thing, everyone is sharing accounts but only Major gets ban. People get warning for similar incident as Major but aren't revealed. And that's consistent. Not mentionning what Bly did in the 1st run.
Do you have evidence of this claim? Can you show us?
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On April 15 2016 09:33 Fran_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:08 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:05 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:03 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 08:55 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 08:49 Caihead wrote:
Best case scenario for MajOr: MajOr was associated with a matchfixer by account sharing an account that would be used in the matchfixing, he never intended to matchfix any matches nor was he on the barcode account at the time when it lost matches to DnS. Wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong company. If anything MajOr should be angry at Marinelord for matchfixing with an account that would implicate him. Yes. Unfortunately even if he's "morally" innocent, he deserves the punishment cause he still broke the rules. almost every pro share accounts, so every pro should be suspended. Fair enough. If they catch them, suspend them. It's against the Terms. so we delete wcs, gsl, pl and we move on to hots since everyone is doing it? If EVERYONE is involved yes. If the pro community can't follow the Terms of Contract, it doesn't deserve to be a pro community. But I'm sure this is not the case.
you're wrong
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On April 15 2016 09:44 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:33 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:08 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:05 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:03 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 08:55 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 08:49 Caihead wrote:
Best case scenario for MajOr: MajOr was associated with a matchfixer by account sharing an account that would be used in the matchfixing, he never intended to matchfix any matches nor was he on the barcode account at the time when it lost matches to DnS. Wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong company. If anything MajOr should be angry at Marinelord for matchfixing with an account that would implicate him. Yes. Unfortunately even if he's "morally" innocent, he deserves the punishment cause he still broke the rules. almost every pro share accounts, so every pro should be suspended. Fair enough. If they catch them, suspend them. It's against the Terms. so we delete wcs, gsl, pl and we move on to hots since everyone is doing it? If EVERYONE is involved yes. If the pro community can't follow the Terms of Contract, it doesn't deserve to be a pro community. But I'm sure this is not the case. you're wrong
Prove it.
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On April 15 2016 09:41 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:34 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 15 2016 09:26 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:16 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 15 2016 09:08 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:05 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:03 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 08:55 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 08:49 Caihead wrote:
Best case scenario for MajOr: MajOr was associated with a matchfixer by account sharing an account that would be used in the matchfixing, he never intended to matchfix any matches nor was he on the barcode account at the time when it lost matches to DnS. Wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong company. If anything MajOr should be angry at Marinelord for matchfixing with an account that would implicate him. Yes. Unfortunately even if he's "morally" innocent, he deserves the punishment cause he still broke the rules. almost every pro share accounts, so every pro should be suspended. Fair enough. If they catch them, suspend them. It's against the Terms. so we delete wcs, gsl, pl and we move on to hots since everyone is doing it? re-read what they say : We identified a significant number of matches by MajOr in which he immediately forfeited the match. A number of other replays were examined, and along with the chat in those games, the records indicate MajOr was deliberately awarding winsIt's not just sharing accounts, don't act as if you don't see it. Shadown did exactly what major did, giving win to someone without actual collusion with this person (bunny) and nothing happened. The inconsistency is almost as bad as the fact they're using the ladder to qualify for a qualifier. No you misread, this. Had Shadown been qualified for the EU qualifier, he would have been banned from the competition. Afaik, shadown is not a guy we might see in DH Tours, right? so no need to ban him. Bunny on the other hand, is not punished, just has the people who Major gave wins to, because there is no evidence that they asked for it, just like Bunny apparently did not ask for a free win. So it is totally consistent. MajOr and Shadown did the same thing, everyone is sharing accounts but only Major gets ban. People get warning for similar incident as Major but aren't revealed. And that's consistent. Not mentionning what Bly did in the 1st run.
Ok, you know french scene more than I do, so : what Blizzard-ruled competition Shadown could be banned from? and what WCS points you'd want taken away from him?
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How do we know major just didn't leave the games instantly because he didn't want to play vs that specific opponent?
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On April 15 2016 09:41 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:34 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 15 2016 09:26 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:16 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 15 2016 09:08 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:05 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:03 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 08:55 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 08:49 Caihead wrote:
Best case scenario for MajOr: MajOr was associated with a matchfixer by account sharing an account that would be used in the matchfixing, he never intended to matchfix any matches nor was he on the barcode account at the time when it lost matches to DnS. Wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong company. If anything MajOr should be angry at Marinelord for matchfixing with an account that would implicate him. Yes. Unfortunately even if he's "morally" innocent, he deserves the punishment cause he still broke the rules. almost every pro share accounts, so every pro should be suspended. Fair enough. If they catch them, suspend them. It's against the Terms. so we delete wcs, gsl, pl and we move on to hots since everyone is doing it? re-read what they say : We identified a significant number of matches by MajOr in which he immediately forfeited the match. A number of other replays were examined, and along with the chat in those games, the records indicate MajOr was deliberately awarding winsIt's not just sharing accounts, don't act as if you don't see it. Shadown did exactly what major did, giving win to someone without actual collusion with this person (bunny) and nothing happened. The inconsistency is almost as bad as the fact they're using the ladder to qualify for a qualifier. No you misread, this. Had Shadown been qualified for the EU qualifier, he would have been banned from the competition. Afaik, shadown is not a guy we might see in DH Tours, right? so no need to ban him. Bunny on the other hand, is not punished, just has the people who Major gave wins to, because there is no evidence that they asked for it, just like Bunny apparently did not ask for a free win. So it is totally consistent. MajOr and Shadown did the same thing, everyone is sharing accounts but only Major gets ban. People get warning for similar incident as Major but aren't revealed. And that's consistent. Not mentionning what Bly did in the 1st run.
Shadown also shares that specific barcode account that was investigated? Or a different account, which wouldn't be a problem, no?
On April 15 2016 09:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
How do we know major just didn't leave the games instantly because he didn't want to play vs that specific opponent?
According to the OP due to suspicious chat logs.
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On April 15 2016 09:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
They could ban his account I guess.
That seems like a nice idea at first, but I'm not so sure about the rules. We know "awarding wins" is against the tournaments rules, but those rules only apply to competitors of the tournaments. I guess if you consider every person with a ladder placement a "competitor" of the ladder qualifiers then you can apply the rule on them, otherwise not.
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On April 15 2016 09:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
How do we know major just didn't leave the games instantly because he didn't want to play vs that specific opponent?
He would have said so. Also he left games against a bunch of different players.
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On April 15 2016 09:44 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:33 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:08 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:05 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:03 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 08:55 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 08:49 Caihead wrote:
Best case scenario for MajOr: MajOr was associated with a matchfixer by account sharing an account that would be used in the matchfixing, he never intended to matchfix any matches nor was he on the barcode account at the time when it lost matches to DnS. Wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong company. If anything MajOr should be angry at Marinelord for matchfixing with an account that would implicate him. Yes. Unfortunately even if he's "morally" innocent, he deserves the punishment cause he still broke the rules. almost every pro share accounts, so every pro should be suspended. Fair enough. If they catch them, suspend them. It's against the Terms. so we delete wcs, gsl, pl and we move on to hots since everyone is doing it? If EVERYONE is involved yes. If the pro community can't follow the Terms of Contract, it doesn't deserve to be a pro community. But I'm sure this is not the case. you're wrong
Again that's not the point, what they say is :
We know account-sharing does occur at the highest level of ladder, but we want to make clear that it is against the End User License Agreement for StarCraft II, and will not be tolerated during ladder competitions run
so they tolerate it, but not during ladder run, I mean, it does make sense, don't you think?
And that's not the reason why Major was banned, he was banned for failing to follow the WCS rules regarding player etiquette during WCS competition...
Only thing that can be said is that not all pro did realize that this ladder competition was a serious WCS competition.
Now they know.
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 Justice is served. 
Years gone by and games have changed, but the same person is still doing the same things, makes sense.
While I still don't think Blizzard has handled this optimally, I respect the hardline stance on cheating of any sort. 
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On April 15 2016 09:51 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:41 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:34 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 15 2016 09:26 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:16 Gwavajuice wrote:On April 15 2016 09:08 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:05 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:03 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 08:55 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 08:49 Caihead wrote:
Best case scenario for MajOr: MajOr was associated with a matchfixer by account sharing an account that would be used in the matchfixing, he never intended to matchfix any matches nor was he on the barcode account at the time when it lost matches to DnS. Wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong company. If anything MajOr should be angry at Marinelord for matchfixing with an account that would implicate him. Yes. Unfortunately even if he's "morally" innocent, he deserves the punishment cause he still broke the rules. almost every pro share accounts, so every pro should be suspended. Fair enough. If they catch them, suspend them. It's against the Terms. so we delete wcs, gsl, pl and we move on to hots since everyone is doing it? re-read what they say : We identified a significant number of matches by MajOr in which he immediately forfeited the match. A number of other replays were examined, and along with the chat in those games, the records indicate MajOr was deliberately awarding winsIt's not just sharing accounts, don't act as if you don't see it. Shadown did exactly what major did, giving win to someone without actual collusion with this person (bunny) and nothing happened. The inconsistency is almost as bad as the fact they're using the ladder to qualify for a qualifier. No you misread, this. Had Shadown been qualified for the EU qualifier, he would have been banned from the competition. Afaik, shadown is not a guy we might see in DH Tours, right? so no need to ban him. Bunny on the other hand, is not punished, just has the people who Major gave wins to, because there is no evidence that they asked for it, just like Bunny apparently did not ask for a free win. So it is totally consistent. MajOr and Shadown did the same thing, everyone is sharing accounts but only Major gets ban. People get warning for similar incident as Major but aren't revealed. And that's consistent. Not mentionning what Bly did in the 1st run. Shadown also shares that specific barcode account that was investigated? Or a different account, which wouldn't be a problem, no? Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
How do we know major just didn't leave the games instantly because he didn't want to play vs that specific opponent? According to the OP due to suspicious chat logs.
he doesn't shared it. He did the most stupid thing which is give a win to bunny because he likes him, saying it in the chat.
that's pretty much what major did, and since major claimed that he didn't used the barcode (and you can prove it easily) it's exactly the same thing.
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Seems reasonable to me. Hopefully people will stop complaining about it now.
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Anyway, I want to say it sucks for ML, I was kind of hoping for a big warning, like "don't you dare do that again, little rascal" but I knew that it was very likely Blizzard would do what they did.
I genuinely think he's a good guy, he messed up at the wrong moment though. We all have our stupid moments, sometimes we get away with it, sometimes the shitstorm hits us hard.
If it's the end of his career, then it's a sad way to go.
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On April 15 2016 09:33 Fran_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2016 09:08 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 09:05 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 09:03 sAsImre wrote:On April 15 2016 08:55 Fran_ wrote:On April 15 2016 08:49 Caihead wrote:
Best case scenario for MajOr: MajOr was associated with a matchfixer by account sharing an account that would be used in the matchfixing, he never intended to matchfix any matches nor was he on the barcode account at the time when it lost matches to DnS. Wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong company. If anything MajOr should be angry at Marinelord for matchfixing with an account that would implicate him. Yes. Unfortunately even if he's "morally" innocent, he deserves the punishment cause he still broke the rules. almost every pro share accounts, so every pro should be suspended. Fair enough. If they catch them, suspend them. It's against the Terms. so we delete wcs, gsl, pl and we move on to hots since everyone is doing it? If EVERYONE is involved yes. If the pro community can't follow the Terms of Contract, it doesn't deserve to be a pro community. But I'm sure this is not the case.
...2 centuries too late to join the real inquisition, Fran decides to found the ESPORTS inquisition...
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Blizz has been storing ladder replays since War3. It must be pretty obvious based on the chat in the replays.
If major wants to dispute this, he should release all his replays played during the qualification time and prove otherwise.
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