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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On April 15 2016 07:06 showstealer1829 wrote: I'm all for that. The sooner they're all banned, the sooner we can end the region lock and make SC2 great again And make all non-Korean players apply for Korean citizenship so they won't be allowed in WCS, just to pull the trolling further | ||
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Elentos
55566 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:51 BronzeKnee wrote: So again, either Major was win trading and then everyone involved needs to be punished, or Major wasn't and then no one gets punished. It can't be half and half. But we can't know if Blizzard doesn't release the evidence. Well, what are you supposed to do? If your opponent intends to give you a win and you don't want that, it's not like you can reject the ladder points when he leaves the game. So either you get punished along with the other guy, even though you wanted to play a fair game, or neither of you get punished even though one was clearly doing something that's not acceptable. If you can prove that one wanted to give the wins away but can't prove the recipients wanted the free points, what do you do? Only punish the one where you can prove the guilt because you don't want to unfairly punish someone who couldn't "defend themselves" in this situation; or punish everyone involved but risk wronging the vast majority of of suspects? On April 15 2016 06:57 BronzeKnee wrote: It'd be better for all three to go free than for one of them to be wrongly punished. All under the assumption that they have irrefutable evidence against MajOr, of course. | ||
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Gowerly
United Kingdom916 Posts
On April 15 2016 07:14 Elentos wrote: Well, what are you supposed to do? If your opponent intends to give you a win and you don't want that, it's not like you can reject the ladder points when he leaves the game. So either you get punished along with the other guy, even though you wanted to play a fair game, or neither of you get punished even though one was clearly doing something that's not acceptable. If you can prove that one wanted to give the wins away but can't prove the recipients wanted the free points, what do you do? Only punish the one where you can prove the guilt because you don't want to unfairly punish someone who couldn't "defend themselves" in this situation; or punish everyone involved but risk wronging the vast majority of of suspects? All under the assumption that they have irrefutable evidence against MajOr, of course. If people are leaving games vs you and talking about Win Trading, then contact someone from Blizzard saying you were in no way part of it, mention it on BattleNet to the player, etc. It seems Blizzard can see it all and make judgement calls based on that. | ||
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Boneyard0216
Canada32 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
 I am glad this clarification happened. | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
If so that's really a bad joke, april fools are over. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:51 BronzeKnee wrote: Haha... I don't think Major should be suspended unless there is clear evidence he was win trading, and then the others involved should be too. I was just stating that Blizzard needs to go after both the bank robber and the guy who drove the get-away car. Not just the guy who drove the get-away car. The person that benefitted from Major's supposed actions is going unpunished and that is wrong if there is evidence of wrongdoing. So again, either Major was win trading and then everyone involved needs to be punished, or Major wasn't and then no one gets punished. It can't be half and half. But we can't know if Blizzard doesn't release the evidence. If you read the press release, Major was forfeiting games but they couldn't prove that it was pre-arranged. If you look at the other thread, Major was leaving games on NA ladder but not EU (where he's competing for WCS). It seems like Major was just 'being nice' to people he liked and gifting them wins. Nothing had to be arranged because losing points didn't cost him anything since he wasn't competing on NA. The only instance of pre-arranged win-trading Blizz could prove was on the EU barcode account him and Marinelord share, and they did out his opponent in that case (btw, in the other thread Major claims he hasn't used that barcode account during the ladder competition, but somehow worried it got him banned lol). | ||
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Nayolbi
325 Posts
"the EU barcode account him and Marinelord share"= not a barcode its (was) major's account mencemeat "in the other thread Major claims he hasn't used that barcode account during the ladder competition" = thats MLords barcode he hasn't played in months(?). You are talking about 2 different accounts. Also i don't know what u talkin about in the first paragraph but w/e. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On April 15 2016 07:10 aQuaSC wrote: And make all non-Korean players apply for Korean citizenship so they won't be allowed in WCS, just to pull the trolling further We will build a wall around all non Korean states! And make the Foreign Scrubs pay for it!  | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 15 2016 07:55 showstealer1829 wrote: We will build a wall around all non Korean states! And make the Foreign Scrubs pay for it! I'm pretty sure North Korea has already paid for it... | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On April 15 2016 07:59 Big J wrote: I'm pretty sure North Korea has already paid for it... But there's still so many we need to wall off. France, Poland, Germany, Norway....etc | ||
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Hier
2391 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:59 Elentos wrote: Aside from both of them admitting to it, well, you can compare hotkey setups and spamming patterns to identify players. Them admitting to it is fine, the other stuff absolutely cannot be used as evidence. On April 15 2016 07:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: That's very easy to establish. I don't think either player denied it either. That's the thing, it's NOT easy to establish definitively. | ||
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Penev
28518 Posts
On April 15 2016 08:03 Hier wrote: Them admitting to it is fine, the other stuff absolutely cannot be used as evidence. That's the thing, it's NOT easy to establish definitively. They can see the barcode account is being used via the same IP's as Major and MLords main accounts. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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kugHop
Luxembourg44 Posts
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On April 15 2016 08:22 kugHop wrote: I must say I like the way Blizzard took care of this by only banning them for a certain period and not permanently like Kespa often does yep, definitely better, they realize that these players are young and have a whole future ahead of them | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On April 15 2016 07:50 Nayolbi wrote: ^ "the EU barcode account him and Marinelord share"= not a barcode its (was) major's account mencemeat "in the other thread Major claims he hasn't used that barcode account during the ladder competition" = thats MLords barcode he hasn't played in months(?). You are talking about 2 different accounts. Also i don't know what u talkin about in the first paragraph but w/e. I'm not talking about 2 different accounts. Major did, but letting Marinelord play on mencemeat is not what's at issue here. Major claimed he only played the barcode account 'outside the ladder competition'. However, Blizzard says Major not only played on it during this last competition, but he threw games while playing on it. No one but Major brings up Mencemeat, because it doesn't matter in terms of why they got banned. As for the first paragraph I'm just explaining what this all looks like to me. What we know / Blizzard claims: Major normally competes on the EU ladders. Was caught forfeiting games on NA. They can't confirm if he's win-trading or just throwing games. What I'm speculating: Since he competes on EU, he doesn't care about loses on NA, so he either randomly left games he didn't feel like playing or to 'gift points' to friends of his. Either way he's throwing games without win-trading, which was an option Bronzeknee didn't think was possible (and why I responded in the first place). | ||
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wiileeyum
Canada12 Posts
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On April 15 2016 08:23 swissman777 wrote: yep, definitely better, they realize that these players are young and have a whole future ahead of them Yeah, Major is like 38, that argument doesn't really fly anymore. | ||
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