EPTBlizzard statement and ruling on WCS win-trading - Page 5
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
Several unnamed players will be warned for their activity on ladder It is always good to put 3 players out in the public and keeping everyone else protected. Blizzard's management of this incident is pretty bad. Once more, fuck that company. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:15 boxerfred wrote: It is always good to put 3 players out in the public and keeping everyone else protected. Blizzard's management of this incident is pretty bad. Once more, fuck that company. How dare they conceal the names of the individuals that are only suspected of win trading with no definitive evidence. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote: How dare they conceal the names of the individuals that are only suspected of win trading with no definitive evidence. Everyone involved with Major should be named and banned. You can't win trade with no one. Either he was win trading and it damns everyone, or he wasn't and it damns no one. | ||
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:14 opisska wrote: An interesting bit of information in this is that Blizzard apparently has access to ladder replays. So everything goes through the server? I wonder how long they are stored, it must be a lot of data over 6 years. I'm on the opposite side, I'm surprised that people assume that the only holders of the replays are players themselves, if they have replay saving option turned on. Balance/design team can't rely on streams and winrates alone, right? On April 15 2016 06:18 BronzeKnee wrote: Everyone involved with Major should be named and banned. You can't win trade with no one. Either he was win trading and it damns everyone, or he wasn't and it damns no one. I think it would be far worse than what they did now, since community would pull the card of real life as people can leave games for so many reasons aside of win trading. It's a very difficult decision after all. And as for Major clearing himself by releasing replays - I think it would be nice, I personally have no opinion on whether he's guilty or not, but if he's faced with that demand and he will not comply it will automatically mean that he's hiding something. | ||
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Elentos
55466 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:18 BronzeKnee wrote: Everyone involved with Major should be named and banned. You can't win trade with no one. Either he was win trading and it damns everyone, or he wasn't and it damns no one. In other news, all players disqualified from WCS events before June 30. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:56 Topher_Doll wrote: My major was sociology and criminal science, so partially yes. Also if his chat logs were innocent he'd have released them, especially when other pros say that's what they would do. EDIT: Also saying we shouldn't trust Blizzard when MajOr's shittary is well documented over years and years seems odd coming from someone saying players should be professionals. Saying players should be professionals doesn't mean they should be held to a higher standard than Blizzard. Blizzard needs to be professional too. There is nothing in their track record running tournaments so far that shows they have the competence to just say "trust me". And as a rule setter, they need to be held to a higher standard. They have technical difficulties in Blizzcon every year. They fail to communicate rules in a timely manner. They have trouble telling players the venue of a competition with enough time for the players to get a visa. They fail to communicate important administrative details in a timely manner. They clearly let teamhouses and tournament organizers share accounts while having a blanket ban on it in their EULA. They constantly have overly broad rules that they selectively enforce, capriciously interpreting them as they go along. Their definition of "residency" makes less sense than the NFL's definition of "catch". But you people just blindly trust their judgment calls. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
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stilt
France2746 Posts
 The punishment is not thay hard because there are not very good players these days! | ||
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:22 Bigtony wrote: I'm kind of surprised at the number of people who think that Blizzard should publish all the data they looked through? If you don't trust the overall organizing body of the game then you should just quit. Major's story about quitting games to go take medicine...yeah seems legit guys. Oh yeah and the part where he admits to account sharing. These 3 are very lucky to not have been banned for the year or for life. I agree. There have been witch-hunts made in this community for far less than being involved in something so unclear as leaving games in ladder competition. Well I was pretty amused by the post earlier asking whether these three could know about WCS rules for current year when they did these things - I'd say it's wise follow rules of a decent human being and you won't be punished for anything like that. Would you do something morally wrong if it wasn't punished by law? I mean it happens everywhere, but dude... it's mind-boggling to me | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:18 BronzeKnee wrote: Everyone involved with Major should be named and banned. You can't win trade with no one. Either he was win trading and it damns everyone, or he wasn't and it damns no one. You can't just ban everyone. If MajOr just leaved against random guys without they know about it, which is their fault? You have to prove a systematic behavior and DnS trying to cover it giving MajOr a def win is a good sign of it | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote: How dare they conceal the names of the individuals that are only suspected of win trading with no definitive evidence. They're not "only suspected", because that would mean (or should mean, at least) that they'd be under investigation. Either they've been suspected of wintrading but internal investigation found them innocent (in which case there is no reason to issue them a warning), or they've been convicted of wintrading but aren't punished. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:14 opisska wrote: An interesting bit of information in this is that Blizzard apparently has access to ladder replays. So everything goes through the server? I wonder how long they are stored, it must be a lot of data over 6 years. It makes sense that Blizzard has replays. I don't see how else they could figure out who's responsible in the case of de-sync bugs or hacks. Since replays are so small Blizzard probably has the leisure of storing as many of them as they want. The amount of multiplayer replays generated in a day probably amounts to less than 20 GB which would amount to something like 44 TB over the lifetime of Starcraft which is an easily manageable amount. So they could easily have every replay of every Starcraft game ever played if they wanted to, though they probably don't. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:01 oGoZenob wrote: and there goes marinelord career... What a gigantic waste of talent Talent means nothing if you don't have passion. Lots of people have talent for lots of things but they don't utilize it to their full potential because they don't try hard or don't have the passion for it. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:19 aQuaSC wrote: I'm on the opposite side, I'm surprised that people assume that the only holders of the replays are players themselves, if they have replay saving option turned on. Balance/design team can't rely on streams and winrates alone, right? I think my surprise is influenced by BW where the players were the only ones who ever physically held the data needed to construct a replay. But still, it's just a hell lot of data, if all games played on ladder are spied on  | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:32 Topher_Doll wrote: They have the right to ban them purely on the ToS for account sharing, legally that is all they need. You saying anything about suing is destroyed purely on that one line. All the other proof is just frosting on top. Also they have the game logs and the fact MajOr wouldn't share his publicly says all we need to know. The italics part is necessarily true, you could protest against a Terms of Service in court and win. The ToS would be held unenforceable in that case. Otherwise companies could put anything in there. | ||
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
On April 15 2016 06:28 SuperHofmann wrote: You can't just ban everyone. If MajOr just leaved against random guys without they know about it, which is their fault? You have to prove a systematic behavior and DnS trying to cover it giving MajOr a def win is a good sign of it They said the chat in the games he left proved he was awarding free-wins. | ||
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ddayzy
259 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:06 NonY wrote: Is this a private investigation? Show the evidence rofl. Why does this have no details? I want to see the records myself, not what some person I have no reason to trust believes the records indicate. I don't see where trust comes in. Firstly it's their tournament financed by them so they don't really need to justy their decisions, they didn't even need to reveal as much as they have done. Secondly why would you not trust them? The only reason not to would be because they had some hidden agent to get Major which seems unlikely, to put it mildly. They can of course be wrong but how would giving all the details change that? Not that I'm against them releasing everything, can't say I care, but I find it odd that you think they would lie about it. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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