EPTStill I think it's pretty dumb, their current setup of the ladder is just inadequate to be taken seriously and they should not try to make it what it isn't, especially when it produces causalities along the way.
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Still I think it's pretty dumb, their current setup of the ladder is just inadequate to be taken seriously and they should not try to make it what it isn't, especially when it produces causalities along the way. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 15 2016 04:55 stuchiu wrote: PTITDROGO CLAIMS MAJORS INNOCENCE How would PtitDrogo even know if majOr was innocent or not. On April 15 2016 05:07 opisska wrote: So there are 2016 WCS Rules after all? Were they known to the players at the time of the events in question? Still I think it's pretty dumb, their current setup of the ladder is just inadequate to be taken seriously and they should not try to make it what it isn't, especially when it produces causalities along the way. Yeah, the rules were published before the qualifiers. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: How would PtitDrogo even know if majOr was innocent or not. I didn't say I believed him. I just said he claims it. | ||
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alexanderzero
United States659 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:06 NonY wrote: Is this a private investigation? Show the evidence rofl. Why does this have no details? I want to see the records myself, not what some person I have no reason to trust believes the records indicate. Wouldn't it be something of a violation of privacy if Blizzard decided to show the chat logs? I realize there are no legal protections, and according the EULA Blizzard can probably do whatever they want. Still, I think most pro players would feel uncomfortable if they thought that Blizzard might publish anything they've ever said in chat while playing an SC2 match. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:06 NonY wrote: Is this a private investigation? Show the evidence rofl. Why does this have no details? I want to see the records myself, not what some person I have no reason to trust believes the records indicate. it's their competition, organized by them in their game, I don't think the mob has any authority here | ||
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
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Topher_Doll
United States76 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:06 NonY wrote: Is this a private investigation? Show the evidence rofl. Why does this have no details? I want to see the records myself, not what some person I have no reason to trust believes the records indicate. You mean like where they tell you about account sharing, instant game leaving and chat logs? Then again you did just write a post saying pros should act professional so maybe this is what you mean. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:06 Inflicted wrote: They seed things like Dreamhack groups, WCS Championship brackets based on WCS points I get that, but what is the wording on a Blizzcon spot? Are you invited based on your point score or are you seeded based on your point score? It appears as though the champions of each major (Polt being the only one currently) get invited based on being the champion, but they refer to it as a seed. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:06 NonY wrote: Is this a private investigation? Show the evidence rofl. Why does this have no details? I want to see the records myself, not what some person I have no reason to trust believes the records indicate. What? They have access to all of the data, no reason to not believe them. Why do people keep asking for all of the evidence? What do you guys want, screenshots of the chat logs they looked at? | ||
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xtorn
4060 Posts
Oh wow. How twitter heroes have fallen | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:12 Ctone23 wrote: What? They have access to all of the data, no reason to not believe them. Why do people keep asking for all of the evidence? What do you guys wants, screenshots of the chat logs they looked at? Blizzard is a massive entity that, as far as I know, has been hesitant in the past to ban cheaters. I agree, I'd probably trust them. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:09 Ej_ wrote: it's their competition, organized by them in their game, I don't think the mob has any authority here Just the authority to stop playing and watching. The players could also theoretically sue, though that's obviously not gonna happen. The ONLY way to get away with something like this (not having a single person's name even signed to it, and not reporting the full evidence and details and arguments and conclusions) is if it's from an EXTREMELY reputable source. The Blizz esports team is definitely not that (no offense to them, but I'm talking like highly educated and experienced people with decades of their work made public and scrutinized and they are deemed extremely competent and fair). Why shouldn't they publish the proof? If they're 100% sure they made zero errors and no judgment calls were involved? Personally I want to know how they proved major was lying. What was the evidence that made it conclusive, as opposed to the inconclusive cases that only resulted in warnings? | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2720 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:17 NonY wrote: Just the authority to stop playing and watching. The players could also theoretically sue, though that's obviously not gonna happen. The ONLY way to get away with something like this (not having a single person's name even signed to it, and not reporting the full evidence and details and arguments and conclusions) is if it's from an EXTREMELY reputable source. The Blizz esports team is definitely not that (no offense to them, but I'm talking like highly educated and experienced people with decades of their work made public and scrutinized and they are deemed extremely competent and fair). Why shouldn't they publish the proof? If they're 100% sure they made zero errors and no judgment calls were involved? Personally I want to know how they proved major was lying. What was the evidence that made it conclusive, as opposed to the inconclusive cases that only resulted in warnings? Agree here. While legally they can do what they want, that's a case where, assuming they did their jobs well, there are no downside to publishing the proofs - with the players' consent if required. | ||
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
Wonder if they'll try to win spots once their post-June 30th ban has passed. | ||
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MorDka
Poland543 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:20 OtherWorld wrote: Agree here. While legally they can do what they want, that's a case where, assuming they did their jobs well, there are no downside to publishing the proofs - with the players' consent if required. Apart from the fact that knowing how the investigation was done makes it easier for future cheaters to avoid getting caught. And also a lot of the information used in the investigation is probably something the players don't want floating around. To identify who used the account for example Blizzard most likely used information about the source IP, MAC address, and all the telemetry about the source machines. Blizzard probably also did analysis on player behaviour pattern, such as when they normally queue for ladder, when they queued that day etc. Either way it's a moot point, since I can't see Blizzard legal agreeing to revealing user information and metadata to the public no matter the reason. | ||
munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On April 15 2016 05:20 andrewlt wrote: Isn't account sharing how Korean teamhouses practice? Ladder qualification isn't a concern for them though | ||
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