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todespolka
221 Posts
How about people who wintrade for fun? We always wanted that ladder matters but havent thought about this problem. It doesnt work if we dont distinguish between players who try to qualify and players who are gm but play the game for fun. Otherwise there are huge problems: If i hate/love someone, i can queue up against him and lose intentionally (to let it look like cheating/because i want him to qualify). | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Who is in charge of this blizzard inquisition anyway? Smearing peoples names like this is not good buisiness Leaving a ladder game can hardly be a 'crime' unless used in a big structural way... it's a fucking ladder game | ||
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
So 4hours i think before the ladder ended i had 2 games vs lambo one on dusk and one on prion. one i left immediatly after i qued to go take my medicine and to the bathroom(wasnt feeling to well as already mentioned)since i forgotten to take it. and than we played again on prion and i lost i did a proxy reaper didnt work tried 1base banshee didnt work game went on for like 10mins and i lost. so those games are the suspicious ones are they suspcious? ofcourse they are if you just look at them without asking or knowing they fucking suspicious. but take in mind its 4hour before ladder lock ends and i didnt do it malisioucly at fucking all. also this same day i went like 6-2 vs lambo counting those game so if anything i took more points from him than he won from those 2games. this is one of their reasons. 2nd one is I used to left marinelord play on my account (mencemeat) and i played on his barcode take in mind this is outside of the ladder qualification so even tho its againts the rules to share account. EVERY SINGLE PROGAMER SHARES ACCOUNTS for practice purposes in korea everyone do it in foriegern scene too. if we gonna ban ppl for sharing accounts we will not have a pro scene anymore im extremly upset im being called a cheater a scum oversomething like that that really had not even impact on the outcome of the competition and was not done malisioculy. i did not try to help lambo qualify. btw as my final word i asked so this mean i cant play copa america and im banned from tours completly? and hes responded to me there is a sligth chance u can play server qualifers but unlikely so there you go guys. reason im being possibly banned from tours and def from this season of copa america is because i left 1 game vs lambo 4hours before ladderlock. next time i wont play any ladder insane i got banned over this. i hope this dosent happen to anyone ever its fucking bullshit. | ||
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todespolka
221 Posts
On April 10 2016 00:45 Diabolique wrote: They should have warned you, make some announcement to all ladder players that their activity on the last day of ladder sprint will be closely monitored and warning them that on this day, any suspicious activity can lead to a disqualification. THEN, AFTER MAKING SUCH AN ANNOUNCEMENT, they could start any actions. Not retrospectively and even without ANY communication! I am sure there are already rules in place. Also i wouldnt just trust major. He seems like a person who lies to look good, when he has done something wrong. EDIT: Like many other people. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5225 Posts
On April 09 2016 23:25 Mangooza wrote: Haha. If you play ladder nowadays as a pro, you better not leave any games or do weird all ins or you'll be out of a job. Just pretend you don't see the clearly visible proxy hatch outside your base, and you'll be guaranteed to be forgiven. But honestly, this is the right thing for Blizzard to do. If you want SC2 to be taken seriously, players need to take it seriously. You don't play when you're really sick, just like we don't see athletes trying to play hurt. Sure, some athletes play with an injury, but knowing when you can and can't play is important. It is part of competition. And if we want people to see E-Sport players as legitimate, then the players need to compete seriously. | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On April 10 2016 01:46 BronzeKnee wrote: Just pretend you don't see the clearly visible proxy hatch outside your base, and you'll be guaranteed to be forgiven. Is it really that time of the month again where we accuse MarineKing of matchfixing? Not to mention, even after the investigation was done and they didn't find any evidence of his guilt, people still to this day talk about him like he's 100% guilty. So no, that doesn't earn forgiveness. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5225 Posts
And I'm just saying that whether or not Major was doing something devious, it is abundantly clear a precedent was set that ignorance, whether it is intentional or not, is a valid excuse based on the MKP situation. Though, I disagree it should be. And that is what he should have done, just played ignorantly. | ||
Aeromi
France14462 Posts
On April 10 2016 01:46 BronzeKnee wrote: Just pretend you don't see the clearly visible proxy hatch outside your base, and you'll be guaranteed to be forgiven. But honestly, this is the right thing for Blizzard to do. If you want SC2 to be taken seriously, players need to take it seriously. You don't play when you're really sick, just like we don't see athletes trying to play hurt. Sure, some athletes play with an injury, but knowing when you can and can't play is important. It is part of competition. One player, Mvp. One more player MMA. One more player Flash. The list goes on and on. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5225 Posts
But if you are so sick you can't play, then you don't queue up. | ||
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Smitus
United States11 Posts
I am a huge Blizzard fan in general but this is truly a shit show on their end, I am disgusted. | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On April 10 2016 01:50 BronzeKnee wrote: I forgave him. Well, good. The tone of your post made it seem like you didn't. | ||
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Major
Mexico539 Posts
On April 10 2016 01:53 BronzeKnee wrote: I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't play when you are sick. But if you are so sick you can't play, then you don't queue up. but what about the other 120 games i played? just cause 1 or 2 games i didnt feel to well dosent mean i cant play at all its was ladder for me afterall. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 10 2016 01:51 Aeromi wrote: One player, Mvp. One more player MMA. One more player Flash. The list goes on and on. Well, I'm not sure if they're examples, considering both Mvp and FlaSh had really heavy health problems. If we could not import the "athletes destroying their bodies for passion and glory" bit of sports into eSports, it would be cool. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On April 10 2016 01:46 todespolka wrote: I am sure there are already rules in place. Also i wouldnt just trust major. He seems like a person who lies to look good, when he has done something wrong. EDIT: Like many other people. Of course they have some rules in place. I meant specifically Major's case. After he did this suspicious thing, they should have contacted him, warned him that any next time, he will be DQ-ed for something like this, make an official public announcement to all players that any suspicious activity will be prosecuted. Then, every their future action would be reasonable. Of course, whatever has been done, Major will tell you an explanation "I needed to take the pill next minute and forgot to take it the minute before start of the game" bla bla bla ... bullshit ... he could have "played" for fun with the ladder, influencing it in the moments of desperate situation for many players ... it is not nice, but I do not think, he wanted to help / damage some specific players. The problem in this case was no communication before he was DQ-d and, eventually solving it by some "last warning" and public announcement warning everybody to take ladder in these days as seriously as some top offline tournament. | ||
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DuckloadBlackra
225 Posts
On April 10 2016 00:05 esdf wrote: why should you be given benefit of the doubt as you've done sleazy things close to this level in the past? This is stupid logic. Everyone needs to be given benefit of doubt. You are part of the problem - assuming he is guilty instead of demanding evidence. It's okay to have your own personal bias, but the past is no way to determine whether someone is guilty in the present. It's simply more incentive to investigate further. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5225 Posts
On April 10 2016 01:55 Major wrote: but what about the other 120 games i played? just cause 1 or 2 games i didnt feel to well dosent mean i cant play at all its was ladder for me afterall. Because then there is a loophole for someone, "well my friend doesn't have a spot yet, I'll queue up with him and say I was sick and give him free wins." I'm not saying you did that. But that loophole can't exist, because it could be exploited. And even being punished like this isn't worse than losing a spot you earned because someone was match fixing. And it isn't professional. Ladder isn't just practice anymore, so if you want to practice when you are sick play custom games or something. | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
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BeStFAN
483 Posts
#FreeMajor | ||
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PPN
France248 Posts
On April 10 2016 00:49 Superbanana wrote: Its so pathetic. Comparing the reactions on both threads i can see how a sizeable (or maybe more vocal) part of the community is just trying to defend the players they like and attack the one they dislike, not really caring about what is fair, who is gulty or whatever. One is defended, other is attacked. Same lack of evidence but only MajOr claimed to be innocent. I believe MajOr until its proven otherwise. As for MarineLorD, i feel bad for him, but he must be punished if he is guilty. The community is entitled to its opinion. Whatever we believe or who we side with is not really important. I won't even start a debate about how bad a ladder based qualification probably is (but yeah I tend to agree with Nony). What is the source of tension and all the drama is how badly and differently Blizzard handles the issues and how to communicate about them. Bly lost on purpose and arranged its seed in previous WCS season? No problem. Mlord and DnS cheat the system? Insta-DQ without much showing evidence (is it that hard to try to be transparent?). Bunny has some suspicious wins around the time of lock? Blizzard says nothing, Bunny has to go out of his way to explain what happened (props to him, but it should have been up to Blizzard to do the comment). Major has suspicious behaviour? Insta-DQ without event asking the player. Blizzard's behaviour is inconsistent and messy, their communication is pretty terrible and parasited by the players'. There is obviously something wrong at Blizzard, some people there are NOT doing their job. And I mean the ones who make the call and write what they report to the players and/or the community. If they want to do the ruling in WCS, fine by me but they should not do it half-assedly. I don't know, it is that hard to try to follow a sensible protocol for starters? Such as: - contact players investigated - investigate and tell them to shut up in the mean time - once it's settled, make the call, write the statement to the community and provide some evidence | ||
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todespolka
221 Posts
On April 10 2016 01:44 Major wrote: 2nd one is I used to left marinelord play on my account (mencemeat) and i played on his barcode take in mind this is outside of the ladder qualification so even tho its againts the rules to share account. EVERY SINGLE PROGAMER SHARES ACCOUNTS for practice purposes in korea everyone do it in foriegern scene too. if we gonna ban ppl for sharing accounts we will not have a pro scene anymore Dont make excuses like everybody does it, why cant i do it. Children say the same. Something isnt right, just because everybody does it. You traded more than 1 win in a short period and thats suspicious. Why would you risk everything? After the first loss, why did you queue again? Werent you sure if you are sick or not? Can you prove that you acted on ladder as usual? Do you loss intentionally games? Also you earn money, its worth something. They give you an opportunity, no one else does. Why would you risk that? Dont break rules, no matter what! They dont ask you to climb the everest. Their rules are easy to keep. If you want to play at the tournament, hold the rules! | ||
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