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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote:
Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar |
Canada11355 Posts
On February 08 2016 11:24 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 11:15 Doodsmack wrote:On February 08 2016 11:05 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:On February 08 2016 11:02 BisuDagger wrote:On February 08 2016 10:31 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:
Nobody this young with this much promise and prestige has ever been found to be cheating. This would be like being on your way to CEO and robbing the company, It's illogical and highly unlikely especially from a very intelligent person. Savior? Not at all even wikipedia tells you savior was on a downward trend for literally years before he ended up cheating. It completely adds up. He likely became frustrated and eventually gave up. Also I have to say seeing so many caught before would only make it less likely someone in their prime would engage in any type of cheating whatsoever. The argument that someone must not have cheated because they have a lot to lose is not very smart. Its a very strong argument actually. Here's an example: Your one of the best bowlers in the world.. would you be likely to start rigging bowling matches? Risking not only all the money and winnings but your lifetime reputation?
Your argument doesn't take into consideration anything but the money involved. For all you know he was blackmailed, threatened with violence, or coerced in some other way.
I personally still hope there is a chance he is innocent but to make an argument based on things you don't know anything about is naive.
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On February 08 2016 11:24 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 11:15 Doodsmack wrote:On February 08 2016 11:05 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:On February 08 2016 11:02 BisuDagger wrote:On February 08 2016 10:31 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:
Nobody this young with this much promise and prestige has ever been found to be cheating. This would be like being on your way to CEO and robbing the company, It's illogical and highly unlikely especially from a very intelligent person. Savior? Not at all even wikipedia tells you savior was on a downward trend for literally years before he ended up cheating. It completely adds up. He likely became frustrated and eventually gave up. Also I have to say seeing so many caught before would only make it less likely someone in their prime would engage in any type of cheating whatsoever. The argument that someone must not have cheated because they have a lot to lose is not very smart. Its a very strong argument actually. Here's an example: Your one of the best bowlers in the world.. would you be likely to start rigging bowling matches? Risking not only all the money and winnings but your lifetime reputation?
I literally just made an account to reply to this... Ever heard of Pete Rose?
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On February 08 2016 11:32 Gottfo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 11:24 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:On February 08 2016 11:15 Doodsmack wrote:On February 08 2016 11:05 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:On February 08 2016 11:02 BisuDagger wrote:On February 08 2016 10:31 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:
Nobody this young with this much promise and prestige has ever been found to be cheating. This would be like being on your way to CEO and robbing the company, It's illogical and highly unlikely especially from a very intelligent person. Savior? Not at all even wikipedia tells you savior was on a downward trend for literally years before he ended up cheating. It completely adds up. He likely became frustrated and eventually gave up. Also I have to say seeing so many caught before would only make it less likely someone in their prime would engage in any type of cheating whatsoever. The argument that someone must not have cheated because they have a lot to lose is not very smart. Its a very strong argument actually. Here's an example: Your one of the best bowlers in the world.. would you be likely to start rigging bowling matches? Risking not only all the money and winnings but your lifetime reputation? I literally just made an account to reply to this... Ever heard of Pete Rose?
Your welcome teamliquid. Now I have. So some comparisons: Firstly he was already retired and a bit older than life at the time he was caught.. by about 30years. I also noticed he made a point of telling the committee that he only betted with his team never against, no doubt in order to preserve some dignity of his reputation. So he was banned but no doubt amassed millions of dollars during his long career which he only began gambling during and risking towards the very very end. He began playing profession in 1963 and was caught in 1989 three years after retiring. It seems to me he had very little to risk and very much to gain. The contrasts are enormous.
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On February 08 2016 11:30 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 11:24 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:On February 08 2016 11:15 Doodsmack wrote:On February 08 2016 11:05 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:On February 08 2016 11:02 BisuDagger wrote:On February 08 2016 10:31 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:
Nobody this young with this much promise and prestige has ever been found to be cheating. This would be like being on your way to CEO and robbing the company, It's illogical and highly unlikely especially from a very intelligent person. Savior? Not at all even wikipedia tells you savior was on a downward trend for literally years before he ended up cheating. It completely adds up. He likely became frustrated and eventually gave up. Also I have to say seeing so many caught before would only make it less likely someone in their prime would engage in any type of cheating whatsoever. The argument that someone must not have cheated because they have a lot to lose is not very smart. Its a very strong argument actually. Here's an example: Your one of the best bowlers in the world.. would you be likely to start rigging bowling matches? Risking not only all the money and winnings but your lifetime reputation? Your argument doesn't take into consideration anything but the money involved. For all you know he was blackmailed, threatened with violence, or coerced in some other way. I personally still hope there is a chance he is innocent but to make an argument based on things you don't know anything about is naive.
If he was threatened in any way as you suggest then he should definitely not be held responsible and the parties involved should be instead found and locked away for a good long time. It is an interesting thought though.
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Nerve shock, the only thing more stupid than life did is your comment.
With all due respect, saying its impossible he cheats because hes a ''legend'' is not smart, not in the slightest.
Try to say that to a judge : how could he cheat?! hes young and talented!!!
You will look insanely ridiculous.
On top of that, you clearly lack basic psychology knowledge. He can laugh because hes really nervous, and thats how he reacted etc.....
I know, i know, you probably are a big fan of life. Thats why you cant think with your head, only with your emotions.
But from an objective, non fan boy fan of Life, its pretty obvious he is guilty, maybe not in that game vs Solar, but they would never arrest him and keep him in jail for soo long if they had 0 proof.
The only reason he might not be charged is if they dont have sufficient amount of proof, which anyway, doesnt mean hes innocent in the slightest.
He is dead to me, I never liked him, never will
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On February 08 2016 11:49 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 11:32 Gottfo wrote:On February 08 2016 11:24 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:On February 08 2016 11:15 Doodsmack wrote:On February 08 2016 11:05 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:On February 08 2016 11:02 BisuDagger wrote:On February 08 2016 10:31 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:
Nobody this young with this much promise and prestige has ever been found to be cheating. This would be like being on your way to CEO and robbing the company, It's illogical and highly unlikely especially from a very intelligent person. Savior? Not at all even wikipedia tells you savior was on a downward trend for literally years before he ended up cheating. It completely adds up. He likely became frustrated and eventually gave up. Also I have to say seeing so many caught before would only make it less likely someone in their prime would engage in any type of cheating whatsoever. The argument that someone must not have cheated because they have a lot to lose is not very smart. Its a very strong argument actually. Here's an example: Your one of the best bowlers in the world.. would you be likely to start rigging bowling matches? Risking not only all the money and winnings but your lifetime reputation? I literally just made an account to reply to this... Ever heard of Pete Rose? Your welcome teamliquid. Now I have. So some comparisons: Firstly he was already retired and a bit older than life at the time he was caught.. by about 30years. I also noticed he made a point of telling the committee that he only betted with his team never against, no doubt in order to preserve some dignity of his reputation. So he was banned but no doubt amassed millions of dollars during his long career which he only began gambling during and risking towards the very very end. He began playing profession in 1963 and was caught in 1989 three years after retiring. It seems to me he had very little to risk and very much to gain. The contrasts are enormous.
Might want to check your facts. Within the last year documents have come out that pete rose did in fact bet on games as a player. The entire notion that competative people can't be persuaded by money is false. I would even make the assumption that it would be easier for a top level player to pull this off based on people not believing it to be possible. I am not condemning life until he is convicted but it is not out if possibility.
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Bisutopia19305 Posts
On February 08 2016 11:05 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 11:02 BisuDagger wrote:On February 08 2016 10:31 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:
Nobody this young with this much promise and prestige has ever been found to be cheating. This would be like being on your way to CEO and robbing the company, It's illogical and highly unlikely especially from a very intelligent person. Savior? Not at all even wikipedia tells you savior was on a downward trend for literally years before he ended up cheating. It completely adds up. He likely became frustrated and eventually gave up. Also I have to say seeing so many caught before would only make it less likely someone in their prime would engage in any type of cheating whatsoever.
Well, I mean if your evidence to argue with someone who lived and experienced the moment savior got caught (and his era of success) is Wikipedia then surely you know better then me.
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You want to talk about money, talent and age, lets do it.
talent: The last time Life was on top of his game and on top of the game was GSL S1 2015. After that he didnt run extremly deep anymore, he carried Star Tale in Season 1 only to be wonky in S2-S4 of SPL. He was so wonky during that time, that he became a meme for being a bad trade. He came back to the top of his game during Blizzcon, almost 6 month slomping. The actions he did (due to the investigation) was somewhere in 2015, in a phase, where he was not top of his game, not top of the game. He was slumping, neither with sharp wins the two leagues after S1 nor with a good SPL performance. His star has fallen during that time, the trophy of the best zerg during the time went over to ByuL.
Age: he is not young. He started his carrier while being 13 years old, he is not a talent, he is a full pro after years of competition. He is not a young talent with a complete future before him. There have been other progamers which bodies have suffered from such long full pro play and nobody knows how lifes wrists or other parts are doing. You think he has up to 8 years from now in progaming before him, but he could know, that his wrists will let him down next year by a diagnosis. That he has to go the route of Taeja, not playing alot, not winning alot.
Money: He didnt earn "shit tones of money". He earned decent, but neither is he a millionaire, nor did ProGaming finance him his complete life after his progaming life: He made arround 500k$ via winnings, cut 30% of for taxes. We know that no KESPA pro made 100k per year in 2015, so we can estimate he made during 2015 with the 2 month RB/StarTale and 10 month of KT arround 80k$ and arround 50-80k$ (should be arround the money RB payed him) in 2013 and 2014. He made almost zero income in 2012, as he didnt had RB personal sponsorchip then nor did StarTale pay alot to their players. On top taxes. Makes in total earning arround 660k $ (without taxes). That is not much. It is not even enough to get a decent house for you and your future wife.
But how much can you make of match fixing? Fixing a single game made Yoda 10k , he fixed 4 games, got payed for 2 and bribed for another 2 and made 20k $ out of it. How much would life make by fixing a SPL match? 20k $? Or 30k $? He could fix 3 Bo1 ProLeague matches and made more then KT pays him in the complete year!. When it comes to GSL, SSL and other high stake matches, Bo5s, he could make even more. Up to 50k $ per fixed series.
On another notice, people said (not proofen!) that life has no control over the money he earns at the moment, it all goes to his family. If this is true, it could be extremly frustrating for such young guy to earn much money (it is much in short term, but not much in the long term) and not being able to spend it. Matchfixing would have givin him his very own money his family didnt know about. Also people said (not proofen, not even likely) that Life likes to gamble up to gambling addicition. Losing alot of money there would lead him to find new sources of income, mainly either win more money or find a new source of money, fixing comes there into ones mind.
All in all, your argument, a talented young star person wouldnt do something, is just fluff. Being such a person may make it more unlikely, but it never stops someone from doing what people say he did. There are thousends of reasons why he did it. From just normal human greed over harsh need of money (gambling, illness in family, there a lot of reasons why you need money fast) to unstopable carrerending problems (wrists). Oh and yeah, bribes and stuff are also a thing.
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This maybe shocking you, nerveshock, but since the dawn of time people has been doing stupid things all the time.
Might want to consider that.
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On February 08 2016 12:31 Ensiferum8 wrote:
Nerve shock, the only thing more stupid than life did is your comment.
With all due respect, saying its impossible he cheats because hes a ''legend'' is not smart, not in the slightest.
Try to say that to a judge : how could he cheat?! hes young and talented!!!
You will look insanely ridiculous.
On top of that, you clearly lack basic psychology knowledge. He can laugh because hes really nervous, and thats how he reacted etc.....
I know, i know, you probably are a big fan of life. Thats why you cant think with your head, only with your emotions.
But from an objective, non fan boy fan of Life, its pretty obvious he is guilty, maybe not in that game vs Solar, but they would never arrest him and keep him in jail for soo long if they had 0 proof.
The only reason he might not be charged is if they dont have sufficient amount of proof, which anyway, doesnt mean hes innocent in the slightest.
He is dead to me, I never liked him, never will
You never liked him? Wow I would have never guessed. So you call me biased only to then go on and point out that you yourself are completely biased in your opinion, nice one. I shouldn't be responding to somebody who would go so low as to in there first sentence start by simply calling you stupid but here we go. Again I did not say its impossible that he cheated so thanks for making that up entirely to fit your argument. I said its illogical and unlikely time and time again coming from someone who is literally trained to make logical decisions on a minute by minute bases.. When/if you calm down and want to have a rational conversation instead of making it obvious how much you want to assume life's guilt before ANY proof has been shown just let me know. This is the type of irresponsible and straight up ugly behavior that is detrimental to the entire E-esports community. We should be trying to help the community and get the facts out not attacking and insulting each other for absolutely no reason.
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On February 08 2016 13:30 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 12:31 Ensiferum8 wrote:
Nerve shock, the only thing more stupid than life did is your comment.
With all due respect, saying its impossible he cheats because hes a ''legend'' is not smart, not in the slightest.
Try to say that to a judge : how could he cheat?! hes young and talented!!!
You will look insanely ridiculous.
On top of that, you clearly lack basic psychology knowledge. He can laugh because hes really nervous, and thats how he reacted etc.....
I know, i know, you probably are a big fan of life. Thats why you cant think with your head, only with your emotions.
But from an objective, non fan boy fan of Life, its pretty obvious he is guilty, maybe not in that game vs Solar, but they would never arrest him and keep him in jail for soo long if they had 0 proof.
The only reason he might not be charged is if they dont have sufficient amount of proof, which anyway, doesnt mean hes innocent in the slightest.
He is dead to me, I never liked him, never will You never liked him? Wow I would have never guessed. I shouldn't be responding to somebody who would go so low as to in there first sentence start by simply calling you stupid but here we go. Again I did not say its impossible that he cheated so thanks for making that up entirely to fit your argument I said its illogical and unlikely time and time again. When you calm down and want to have a rational conversation instead of making it obvious how much you want to assume life's guilt before ANY proof has been shown just let me know. This is the type of behavior that is detrimental to the entire E-esports community.
Life is that you??
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On February 08 2016 12:52 Clonester wrote:
You want to talk about money, talent and age, lets do it.
talent: The last time Life was on top of his game and on top of the game was GSL S1 2015. After that he didnt run extremly deep anymore, he carried Star Tale in Season 1 only to be wonky in S2-S4 of SPL. He was so wonky during that time, that he became a meme for being a bad trade. He came back to the top of his game during Blizzcon, almost 6 month slomping. The actions he did (due to the investigation) was somewhere in 2015, in a phase, where he was not top of his game, not top of the game. He was slumping, neither with sharp wins the two leagues after S1 nor with a good SPL performance. His star has fallen during that time, the trophy of the best zerg during the time went over to ByuL.
Age: he is not young. He started his carrier while being 13 years old, he is not a talent, he is a full pro after years of competition. He is not a young talent with a complete future before him. There have been other progamers which bodies have suffered from such long full pro play and nobody knows how lifes wrists or other parts are doing. You think he has up to 8 years from now in progaming before him, but he could know, that his wrists will let him down next year by a diagnosis. That he has to go the route of Taeja, not playing alot, not winning alot.
Money: He didnt earn "shit tones of money". He earned decent, but neither is he a millionaire, nor did ProGaming finance him his complete life after his progaming life: He made arround 500k$ via winnings, cut 30% of for taxes. We know that no KESPA pro made 100k per year in 2015, so we can estimate he made during 2015 with the 2 month RB/StarTale and 10 month of KT arround 80k$ and arround 50-80k$ (should be arround the money RB payed him) in 2013 and 2014. He made almost zero income in 2012, as he didnt had RB personal sponsorchip then nor did StarTale pay alot to their players. On top taxes. Makes in total earning arround 660k $ (without taxes). That is not much. It is not even enough to get a decent house for you and your future wife.
But how much can you make of match fixing? Fixing a single game made Yoda 10k , he fixed 4 games, got payed for 2 and bribed for another 2 and made 20k $ out of it. How much would life make by fixing a SPL match? 20k $? Or 30k $? He could fix 3 Bo1 ProLeague matches and made more then KT pays him in the complete year!. When it comes to GSL, SSL and other high stake matches, Bo5s, he could make even more. Up to 50k $ per fixed series.
On another notice, people said (not proofen!) that life has no control over the money he earns at the moment, it all goes to his family. If this is true, it could be extremly frustrating for such young guy to earn much money (it is much in short term, but not much in the long term) and not being able to spend it. Matchfixing would have givin him his very own money his family didnt know about. Also people said (not proofen, not even likely) that Life likes to gamble up to gambling addicition. Losing alot of money there would lead him to find new sources of income, mainly either win more money or find a new source of money, fixing comes there into ones mind.
All in all, your argument, a talented young star person wouldnt do something, is just fluff. Being such a person may make it more unlikely, but it never stops someone from doing what people say he did. There are thousends of reasons why he did it. From just normal human greed over harsh need of money (gambling, illness in family, there a lot of reasons why you need money fast) to unstopable carrerending problems (wrists). Oh and yeah, bribes and stuff are also a thing.
Well if having a huge year in 2015 (GSL CHAMPION) as you noted and ended the year with a 2nd place finish in the WCS global finals besting out the likes of Innovation and Classic among many others only to place second is slumping then I suppose I see your point. /sarcasm off I really don't think your argument holds much water if anyone just looks at the results. This doesn't even include the fact beta was out and he was very well aware how much better zerg was to become (hey zerg finally recieved anti-air other than spores afterall). I could argue that 19 is not old even for a sc player (maybe 18 when he cheated) but that just seems like a stupid conversation to even be having on either side. You make some decent points but I have to agree to disagree with you overall.
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I haven't checked Team Liquid in two weeks and this is what I come back to.
What is happening.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
Everyone seriously needs to chill out. This thread is turning into complete shit. Don't make us lock it.
@NeRve_ShoCk Please stop being rude and abrasive in your responses. If you cannot state your case in a civil manner then we will have to mod action you.
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On February 08 2016 14:02 Seeker wrote:
Everyone seriously needs to chill out. This thread is turning into complete shit. Don't make us lock it.
@NeRve_ShoCk Please stop being rude and abrasive in your responses. If you cannot state your case in a civil manner then we will have to mod action you.
I thought that was exactly what I was doing? Can you tell me who I was rude to? I never once attacked or insulted anyone I simply expressed my views. I cannot say the same was done to me.
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On February 08 2016 11:15 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 11:15 Doodsmack wrote:On February 08 2016 11:05 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:On February 08 2016 11:02 BisuDagger wrote:On February 08 2016 10:31 NeRve_ShoCk wrote:
Nobody this young with this much promise and prestige has ever been found to be cheating. This would be like being on your way to CEO and robbing the company, It's illogical and highly unlikely especially from a very intelligent person. Savior? Not at all even wikipedia tells you savior was on a downward trend for literally years before he ended up cheating. It completely adds up. He likely became frustrated and eventually gave up. Also I have to say seeing so many caught before would only make it less likely someone in their prime would engage in any type of cheating whatsoever. The argument that someone must not have cheated because they have a lot to lose is not very smart. What?
You should go tell the authorities in NYC that Bernie Madoff would have never committed fraud, because he had too much to lose. After all, he was already incredibly successful before it supposedly started, therefore he had no reason to do any of it.
Let us know how it goes, alright bud? Hopefully they will tell you how naive you are.
Oh but wait...since Madoff was already established, that means you can bring up your awesome insight that the Life analogy would only apply if Madoff was just getting started. Except...that IS when Madoff's fraud started...around the same time he started a highly successful, separate (and legitimate) business.
Not that I even need to bring up an actual example to make the point that a human might cheat for irrational reasons...or because his grandma got sick and needed money...or any other random reason (like wanting more money and thinking he wouldn't get caught).
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On February 08 2016 12:52 Clonester wrote:
You want to talk about money, talent and age, lets do it.
talent: The last time Life was on top of his game and on top of the game was GSL S1 2015. After that he didnt run extremly deep anymore, he carried Star Tale in Season 1 only to be wonky in S2-S4 of SPL. He was so wonky during that time, that he became a meme for being a bad trade. He came back to the top of his game during Blizzcon, almost 6 month slomping. The actions he did (due to the investigation) was somewhere in 2015, in a phase, where he was not top of his game, not top of the game. He was slumping, neither with sharp wins the two leagues after S1 nor with a good SPL performance. His star has fallen during that time, the trophy of the best zerg during the time went over to ByuL.
Age: he is not young. He started his carrier while being 13 years old, he is not a talent, he is a full pro after years of competition. He is not a young talent with a complete future before him. There have been other progamers which bodies have suffered from such long full pro play and nobody knows how lifes wrists or other parts are doing. You think he has up to 8 years from now in progaming before him, but he could know, that his wrists will let him down next year by a diagnosis. That he has to go the route of Taeja, not playing alot, not winning alot.
Money: He didnt earn "shit tones of money". He earned decent, but neither is he a millionaire, nor did ProGaming finance him his complete life after his progaming life: He made arround 500k$ via winnings, cut 30% of for taxes. We know that no KESPA pro made 100k per year in 2015, so we can estimate he made during 2015 with the 2 month RB/StarTale and 10 month of KT arround 80k$ and arround 50-80k$ (should be arround the money RB payed him) in 2013 and 2014. He made almost zero income in 2012, as he didnt had RB personal sponsorchip then nor did StarTale pay alot to their players. On top taxes. Makes in total earning arround 660k $ (without taxes). That is not much. It is not even enough to get a decent house for you and your future wife.
But how much can you make of match fixing? Fixing a single game made Yoda 10k , he fixed 4 games, got payed for 2 and bribed for another 2 and made 20k $ out of it. How much would life make by fixing a SPL match? 20k $? Or 30k $? He could fix 3 Bo1 ProLeague matches and made more then KT pays him in the complete year!. When it comes to GSL, SSL and other high stake matches, Bo5s, he could make even more. Up to 50k $ per fixed series.
On another notice, people said (not proofen!) that life has no control over the money he earns at the moment, it all goes to his family. If this is true, it could be extremly frustrating for such young guy to earn much money (it is much in short term, but not much in the long term) and not being able to spend it. Matchfixing would have givin him his very own money his family didnt know about. Also people said (not proofen, not even likely) that Life likes to gamble up to gambling addicition. Losing alot of money there would lead him to find new sources of income, mainly either win more money or find a new source of money, fixing comes there into ones mind.
All in all, your argument, a talented young star person wouldnt do something, is just fluff. Being such a person may make it more unlikely, but it never stops someone from doing what people say he did. There are thousends of reasons why he did it. From just normal human greed over harsh need of money (gambling, illness in family, there a lot of reasons why you need money fast) to unstopable carrerending problems (wrists). Oh and yeah, bribes and stuff are also a thing.
Woooow, this is a seriously good post :-) Must have taken you lots of effort :-)
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On February 08 2016 14:18 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2016 12:52 Clonester wrote:
You want to talk about money, talent and age, lets do it.
talent: The last time Life was on top of his game and on top of the game was GSL S1 2015. After that he didnt run extremly deep anymore, he carried Star Tale in Season 1 only to be wonky in S2-S4 of SPL. He was so wonky during that time, that he became a meme for being a bad trade. He came back to the top of his game during Blizzcon, almost 6 month slomping. The actions he did (due to the investigation) was somewhere in 2015, in a phase, where he was not top of his game, not top of the game. He was slumping, neither with sharp wins the two leagues after S1 nor with a good SPL performance. His star has fallen during that time, the trophy of the best zerg during the time went over to ByuL.
Age: he is not young. He started his carrier while being 13 years old, he is not a talent, he is a full pro after years of competition. He is not a young talent with a complete future before him. There have been other progamers which bodies have suffered from such long full pro play and nobody knows how lifes wrists or other parts are doing. You think he has up to 8 years from now in progaming before him, but he could know, that his wrists will let him down next year by a diagnosis. That he has to go the route of Taeja, not playing alot, not winning alot.
Money: He didnt earn "shit tones of money". He earned decent, but neither is he a millionaire, nor did ProGaming finance him his complete life after his progaming life: He made arround 500k$ via winnings, cut 30% of for taxes. We know that no KESPA pro made 100k per year in 2015, so we can estimate he made during 2015 with the 2 month RB/StarTale and 10 month of KT arround 80k$ and arround 50-80k$ (should be arround the money RB payed him) in 2013 and 2014. He made almost zero income in 2012, as he didnt had RB personal sponsorchip then nor did StarTale pay alot to their players. On top taxes. Makes in total earning arround 660k $ (without taxes). That is not much. It is not even enough to get a decent house for you and your future wife.
But how much can you make of match fixing? Fixing a single game made Yoda 10k , he fixed 4 games, got payed for 2 and bribed for another 2 and made 20k $ out of it. How much would life make by fixing a SPL match? 20k $? Or 30k $? He could fix 3 Bo1 ProLeague matches and made more then KT pays him in the complete year!. When it comes to GSL, SSL and other high stake matches, Bo5s, he could make even more. Up to 50k $ per fixed series.
On another notice, people said (not proofen!) that life has no control over the money he earns at the moment, it all goes to his family. If this is true, it could be extremly frustrating for such young guy to earn much money (it is much in short term, but not much in the long term) and not being able to spend it. Matchfixing would have givin him his very own money his family didnt know about. Also people said (not proofen, not even likely) that Life likes to gamble up to gambling addicition. Losing alot of money there would lead him to find new sources of income, mainly either win more money or find a new source of money, fixing comes there into ones mind.
All in all, your argument, a talented young star person wouldnt do something, is just fluff. Being such a person may make it more unlikely, but it never stops someone from doing what people say he did. There are thousends of reasons why he did it. From just normal human greed over harsh need of money (gambling, illness in family, there a lot of reasons why you need money fast) to unstopable carrerending problems (wrists). Oh and yeah, bribes and stuff are also a thing.
Woooow, this is a seriously good post :-) Must have taken you lots of effort :-)
No you have it all wrong...since young people know the consequences of getting caught for cheating are bad, they don't cheat.
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Is there any actual update to this, or is it just wild guessing and flaming from both sides still?
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On February 08 2016 14:36 achan1058 wrote:
Is there any actual update to this, or is it just wild guessing and flaming from both sides still?
Nothing yet.
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EPT
